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Alaska has Very Warm Winter - 5 to 15 deg F Above Normal

Why did this thread go sideways after I pointed out 15 degrees isn't unusual over average? It should be /thread!

Goodbye. I'm bailing on this one.
 
longview said:
Perhaps, if they voiced what they thought on the subject of asymmetry of the warming,
I don't know, Have they?
What we do know is that over a century ago Tyndall thought the effect of added CO2 would have.
"To him it was chiefly the diurnal and annual variations of the temperature that were
lessoned by the circumstance."
In 1995 Hansen seem to think that asymmetry would disappear, and he contributed considerable amounts to the climate models.
I wonder if wonderland included Hansen's assumptions that added CO2 would cause T-Min and T-Max to increase equally?
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The National Academy of Science has published a booklet. Conclusions below. But I'm sure it's not up to your level of Scientific expertise.

Climate Change at the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine

The booklet discusses the evidence that the concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere have increased and are still increasing rapidly, that climate change is occurring, and that most of the recent change is almost certainly due to emissions of greenhouse gases caused by human activities.

Further climate change is inevitable; if emissions of greenhouse gases continue unabated, future changes will substantially exceed those that have occurred so far. There remains a range of estimates of the magnitude and regional expression of future change, but increases in the extremes of climate that can adversely affect natural ecosystems and human activities and infrastructure are expected.
 
Media_Truth said:
The National Academy of Science has published a booklet. Conclusions below. But I'm sure it's not up to your level of Scientific expertise.

Climate Change at the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine

The booklet discusses the evidence that the concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere have increased and are still increasing rapidly, that climate change is occurring, and that most of the recent change is almost certainly due to emissions of greenhouse gases caused by human activities.

Further climate change is inevitable; if emissions of greenhouse gases continue unabated, future changes will substantially exceed those that have occurred so far. There remains a range of estimates of the magnitude and regional expression of future change, but increases in the extremes of climate that can adversely affect natural ecosystems and human activities and infrastructure are expected.
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http://dels.nas.edu/resources/static-assets/exec-office-other/climate-change-full.pdf
This document does not cover the observed diurnal and seasonal asymmetry.
It is basically rehashed boiler plate statements from reports like the IPCC, with the exception that they are a bit more extreme.
 
Media_Truth said:
Oh yeah, the Scientists are all in a conspiracy against the honest and innocent fossil fuel companies.
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No conspiracy! You stated that the "Empirical data sides with the National Academy of Science, the Royal Academy, NASA"
in regards to diurnal and seasonal asymmetry of the observed warming.
I asked if they had made any statements on the topic, and you cited a document that did not have any
references to the issues, as if it were meant to prove your point.

When I pointed this out, you then wonder off into some idea about conspiracy.
In reality Hansen concept of how the climate responds to added CO2 differs from Tyndall's,
and the data sides with Tyndall, not Hansen.
 
longview said:
No conspiracy! You stated that the "Empirical data sides with the National Academy of Science, the Royal Academy, NASA"
in regards to diurnal and seasonal asymmetry of the observed warming.
I asked if they had made any statements on the topic, and you cited a document that did not have any
references to the issues, as if it were meant to prove your point.

When I pointed this out, you then wonder off into some idea about conspiracy.
In reality Hansen concept of how the climate responds to added CO2 differs from Tyndall's,
and the data sides with Tyndall, not Hansen.
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Backpedalling, I see. You stated the following, belittling the National Academy of Science and other scientific organizations...

"It is basically rehashed boiler plate statements from reports like the IPCC, with the exception that they are a bit more extreme."

Your statement implys a Scientific Conspiracy...
 
Media_Truth said:
Backpedalling, I see. You stated the following, belittling the National Academy of Science and other scientific organizations...

"It is basically rehashed boiler plate statements from reports like the IPCC, with the exception that they are a bit more extreme."

Your statement implys a Scientific Conspiracy...
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No backpedaling here, I said the empirical data supports Tyndall's concept of asymmetry in the diurnal and seasonal warming,
rather than Hansen's symmetrical concept.
 
longview said:
No backpedaling here, I said the empirical data supports Tyndall's concept of asymmetry in the diurnal and seasonal warming,
rather than Hansen's symmetrical concept.
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I quoted exactly what you said...

"It is basically rehashed boiler plate statements from reports like the IPCC, with the exception that they are a bit more extreme."

Your statement implys a Scientific Conspiracy...
 
Media_Truth said:
I quoted exactly what you said...

"It is basically rehashed boiler plate statements from reports like the IPCC, with the exception that they are a bit more extreme."

Your statement implys a Scientific Conspiracy...
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Only in your mind!
Since National Academy of Science and Royal Society report does not cover the topic of diurnal and seasonal
asymmetry, where would the conspiracy reside, they are simply mum on the topic.
I will state once more , Hansen has stated in a peer reviewed publication that he believes that T-Max warming will eventually
equal T-Min.
https://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/1995/1995_Hansen_ha09800r.pdf
Finally, we note that the claim made by "greenhouse critics" in the popular press, that global warming is
a "benign" nighttime phenomenon, is incorrect. The temperature changes, as we have shown,
represent the combination of an overall warming and a damping of the diurnal cycle.
We can safely predict that on the long run the effect of the diurnal damping on maximum temperatures
will be small, for the following three reasons. First, even during the past four decades the 0.56°C
damping of the diurnal cycle did not eliminate daytime warming, but rather reduced it from 0.56°C to 0.28°C.
Second, as illustrated by Fig. 21, almost all of the damping caused by a climate forcing occurs immediately
with the introduction of the forcing, while the mean temperature rise is delayed by the thermal inertia of
the climate system.
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Whereas Tyndall's position was stated a century earlier by Arrhenius.
A great deal has been written on the influence of the absorption of the
atmosphere upon the climate.
Tyndal in particular has pointed out the enormous importance of this question.
To him it was chiefly the diurnal and annual variations of the temperature that were
lessoned by the circumstance.
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Tyndall position, is supported by 125 years of a consistent pattern that he expected,
Hansen's prediction so far has not been observed.
We are left to wonder which version was used in the models, that Hansen had input on?
 
longview said:
Only in your mind!
Since National Academy of Science and Royal Society report does not cover the topic of diurnal and seasonal
asymmetry, where would the conspiracy reside, they are simply mum on the topic.
I will state once more , Hansen has stated in a peer reviewed publication that he believes that T-Max warming will eventually
equal T-Min.
https://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/1995/1995_Hansen_ha09800r.pdf

Whereas Tyndall's position was stated a century earlier by Arrhenius.

Tyndall position, is supported by 125 years of a consistent pattern that he expected,
Hansen's prediction so far has not been observed.
We are left to wonder which version was used in the models, that Hansen had input on?
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First of all, have you read every Climate Science publication of the National Academy of Science or the Royal Academy? Do you know that they haven't covered the topic of "diurnal and seasonal asymmetry"? The arrogance of the deniers on this forum is very extreme, to suggest that their armchair science proves some point that the NAS and Royal Society have overlooked.
 
Media_Truth said:
First of all, have you read every Climate Science publication of the National Academy of Science or the Royal Academy? Do you know that they haven't covered the topic of "diurnal and seasonal asymmetry"? The arrogance of the deniers on this forum is very extreme, to suggest that their armchair science proves some point that the NAS and Royal Society have overlooked.
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Media_Truth said:
First of all, have you read every Climate Science publication of the National Academy of Science or the Royal Academy? Do you know that they haven't covered the topic of "diurnal and seasonal asymmetry"? The arrogance of the deniers on this forum is very extreme, to suggest that their armchair science proves some point that the NAS and Royal Society have overlooked.
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Yes I have read the report "Climate ChangeEvidence & Causes"
http://dels.nas.edu/resources/static-assets/exec-office-other/climate-change-full.pdf
A quick word search gets ZERO hits on ether the word "asymmetry" or the word "diurnal".
Also the word maximum, or T-Max is not found, the word minimum is found but not in the context of temperature.
So no, the NAS ans RS report do not address diurnal and seasonal asymmetry in the temperature record!
 
longview said:
Yes I have read the report "Climate ChangeEvidence & Causes"
http://dels.nas.edu/resources/static-assets/exec-office-other/climate-change-full.pdf
A quick word search gets ZERO hits on ether the word "asymmetry" or the word "diurnal".
Also the word maximum, or T-Max is not found, the word minimum is found but not in the context of temperature.
So no, the NAS ans RS report do not address diurnal and seasonal asymmetry in the temperature record!
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You started off with "YES" to a question about EVERY report of the NAS and the Royal Society. You do a ridiculous word search on ONE REPORT. So your answer of YES is a blatant lie.
 
Media_Truth said:
You started off with "YES" to a question about EVERY report of the NAS and the Royal Society. You do a ridiculous word search on ONE REPORT. So your answer of YES is a blatant lie.
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We are discussing the one combination NAS and the Royal Society position report,
the one you linked to in post #27.
That report does not discuss diurnal and seasonal asymmetry in the temperature record.
Since the two organizations wrote a joint report entitled "Climate Change Evidence & Causes"
you would think they would include one of the factors that the founder of the concept of greenhouse
gasses thought it would only reduce the diurnal and seasonal temperature range.
 
longview said:
We are discussing the one combination NAS and the Royal Society position report,
the one you linked to in post #27.
That report does not discuss diurnal and seasonal asymmetry in the temperature record.
Since the two organizations wrote a joint report entitled "Climate Change Evidence & Causes"
you would think they would include one of the factors that the founder of the concept of greenhouse
gasses thought it would only reduce the diurnal and seasonal temperature range.
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Diurnal is a big word, and i’m daily certain that most phDs wouldn’t understand the meaning...
 
Lord of Planar said:
11 degrees above average is not unusual for Bethel AK. Far from it. The average high for May is 49.4F, but in 1980 reached 80F for the average high. 33.3 F for April, but 63F in 1963. Get closer to a 30F increase, and your posts wouldn't be so laughable.

When will you ever start verifying the BS from media sources before your report them?

Do you really like to show us how little integrity you have?
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I'd say that the level of some of the deniers on this forum is so low, you'd have to post a lot of misleading stuff to get anywhere near.

https://19january2017snapshot.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2016-09/documents/climate-change-ak.pdf

"Alaska’s climate is changing. Over the past 60 years, most of the state has warmed three degrees (F) on average and six degrees during winter. As a result, Arctic sea ice is retreating, shores are eroding, glaciers are shrinking, permafrost is thawing, and insect outbreaks and wildfires are becoming more common. In the coming decades, these effects are likely to accelerate."
 
Frigidweirdo said:
I'd say that the level of some of the deniers on this forum is so low, you'd have to post a lot of misleading stuff to get anywhere near.

https://19january2017snapshot.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2016-09/documents/climate-change-ak.pdf

"Alaska’s climate is changing. Over the past 60 years, most of the state has warmed three degrees (F) on average and six degrees during winter. As a result, Arctic sea ice is retreating, shores are eroding, glaciers are shrinking, permafrost is thawing, and insect outbreaks and wildfires are becoming more common. In the coming decades, these effects are likely to accelerate."
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Thank you for steering this thread back on-topic.
 
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