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The Sixth Extinction

Jack Hays said:
"It's not if but when they will go extinct." <--- a profession of faith
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You need to stop running in dishonest circles as though this hasn't already been explained to you. It's been explained not once but three times now. You're being intentionally obtuse.

Red line species are as good as extinct if the factors that are driving their endangerment are not corrected, and soon. Without field observations, your assertions are meaningless.

You've drawn an imaginary line in the sand - a line that nobody in the field, including biologists, is even making - and then proclaiming that things aren't that dire. The imaginary line you have drawn is between extinct species and critically threatened species. If a species isn't extinct then you don't count it. Meanwhile, critically endangered species will have imminent extinction based on all observations. Yes, it's not if, but when. The factors driving their extinction are human related. I'm sorry you can't handle that, but that's not my problem.

Like I said before, you just want to be right, you don't care about science. :shrug:
 
Northern Light said:
Parading my ego? lol...

I'm parading your dishonesty. Red lists are species on the brink. It's not if but when they will go extinct. Your trick of words is meaningless.
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No worries. When the "earth cools" a few more degrees, all the dead animals will come back---kind of like a Second Coming, but in the faith of Animism.
 
Northern Light said:
You need to stop running in dishonest circles as though this hasn't already been explained to you. It's been explained not once but three times now. You're being intentionally obtuse.

Red line species are as good as extinct if the factors that are driving their endangerment are not corrected, and soon. Without field observations, your assertions are meaningless.

You've drawn an imaginary line in the sand - a line that nobody in the field, including biologists, is even making - and then proclaiming that things aren't that dire. The imaginary line you have drawn is between extinct species and critically threatened species. If a species isn't extinct then you don't count it. Meanwhile, critically endangered species will have imminent extinction based on all observations. Yes, it's not if, but when. The factors driving their extinction are human related. I'm sorry you can't handle that, but that's not my problem.

Like I said before, you just want to be right, you don't care about science. :shrug:
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You have "explained" nothing. All you have done is repeat your profession of faith.
 
Jack Hays said:
You have "explained" nothing. All you have done is repeat your profession of faith.
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Dude, the Holocene Extinction is the most documented and well supported event since the discovery of Evolution. You do buy that one. Right?
 
calamity said:
Dude, the Holocene Extinction is the most documented and well supported event since the discovery of Evolution. You do buy that one. Right?
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Jack Hays said:
You have "explained" nothing. All you have done is repeat your profession of faith.
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Your dishonesty is incredible. I hope everyone sees it. In the future I'm going to refer people to this thread.

But by all means, keep on posting articles from the Atlantic.
 
Northern Light said:
Your dishonesty is incredible. I hope everyone sees it. In the future I'm going to refer people to this thread.

But by all means, keep on posting articles from the Atlantic.
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That is good news. I'm happy to be judged by this thread, and especially my exchanges with you. What don't you like about The Atlantic?

[FONT=&quot]"At the annual meeting of the Geological Society of America, Smithsonian paleontologist Doug Erwin took the podium . . . ."[/FONT]
 
Jack Hays said:
That is good news. I'm happy to be judged by this thread, and especially my exchanges with you. What don't you like about The Atlantic?
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No sources in the article. Just opinions.

Based on your performance here and elsewhere, you're a lay science hobbiest. For me this puts to rest what you're really about. Not only do you dismiss peer reviewed research flippantly, you suffer from selection bias and outright dishonesty in how you choose to represent what's going on in the scientific world.

People like you are dangerous to the polity. You try to dress up a highly biased opinion as scientific professionalism. In actual fact, you're part of the growing populist movement of anti-intellectualism.

Take care. :2wave:
 
Northern Light said:
No sources in the article. Just opinions.

Based on your performance here and elsewhere, you're a lay science hobbiest. For me this puts to rest what you're really about. Not only do you dismiss peer reviewed research flippantly, you suffer from selection bias and outright dishonesty in how you choose to represent what's going on in the scientific world.

People like you are dangerous to the polity. You try to dress up a highly biased opinion as scientific professionalism. In actual fact, you're part of the growing populist movement of anti-intellectualism.

Take care. :2wave:
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Yup. His opinion. Now take your defeat and learn from it so you'll do better next time.

Douglas Erwin is a paleobiologist, Curator of Paleozoic Invertebrates at the Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History and Chair of the Faculty at the Santa Fe Institute. He is a member of the Editorial Board for Current Biology.[SUP][1][/SUP]
He has written two books: Extinction: How Life on Earth Nearly Ended 250 Million Years Ago in 2006, and The Great Paleozoic Crisis: Life and Death in the Permian in 1993. He co-wrote The Fossils of The Burgess Shale and The Cambrian Explosion. The Construction of Animal Biodiversity (2013). He is co-editor on 3 books: Deep Time: Paleobiology’s Perspective in 2000, Evolutionary Paleobiology: Essays in Honor of James W. Valentine in 1996, and New Approaches to Speciation in the Fossil Record in 1995.

Douglas Erwin - Wikipedia


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Erwin



Fields, Paleontology Paleobiology. Institutions, Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History · Santa Fe Institute. Douglas Erwin is a paleobiologist, Curator of Paleozoic Invertebrates at the Smithsonian ...
 
Jack Hays said:
Yup. His opinion. Now take your defeat and learn from it so you'll do better next time.

Douglas Erwin is a paleobiologist, Curator of Paleozoic Invertebrates at the Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History and Chair of the Faculty at the Santa Fe Institute. He is a member of the Editorial Board for Current Biology.[SUP][1][/SUP]
He has written two books: Extinction: How Life on Earth Nearly Ended 250 Million Years Ago in 2006, and The Great Paleozoic Crisis: Life and Death in the Permian in 1993. He co-wrote The Fossils of The Burgess Shale and The Cambrian Explosion. The Construction of Animal Biodiversity (2013). He is co-editor on 3 books: Deep Time: Paleobiology’s Perspective in 2000, Evolutionary Paleobiology: Essays in Honor of James W. Valentine in 1996, and New Approaches to Speciation in the Fossil Record in 1995.

Douglas Erwin - Wikipedia


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Erwin



Fields, Paleontology Paleobiology. Institutions, Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History · Santa Fe Institute. Douglas Erwin is a paleobiologist, Curator of Paleozoic Invertebrates at the Smithsonian ...
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You confuse opinion with peer reviewed science -- again.

His credentials are irrelevant if his viewpoints are not certified by the community of experts.

Now, I already posted some journal Nature articles, which are peer reviewed, along with a UN reference to a meta-analysis of 15,000 studies on this matter. You have done nothing to discredit that, other than a bogus claim that your preferred sources are somehow better.

You can stop pontificating already, as your failure to prove anything was noted pages ago and yet you still flail desperately with big talk.
 
Northern Light said:
You confuse opinion with peer reviewed science -- again.

His credentials are irrelevant if his viewpoints are not certified by the community of experts.

Now, I already posted some journal Nature articles, which are peer reviewed, along with a UN reference to a meta-analysis of 15,000 studies on this matter. You have done nothing to discredit that, other than a bogus claim that your preferred sources are somehow better.

You can stop pontificating already, as your failure to prove anything was noted pages ago and yet you still flail desperately with big talk.
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Ah. You seek the safety of the herd. "Certified by the community of experts?" What a sad outlook.
 
Jack Hays said:
Ah. You seek the safety of the herd. "Certified by the community of experts?" What a sad outlook.
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Keep spitting venom all you want, but you flagrantly disregard scientific processes while masquerading as a scientist.

Only an anti-intellectual would call peer review the herd mentality.
 
Jack Hays said:
Because that's all you guys have.
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Another lie. You asked for proof and then when you got it you moved the goal posts and used semantic word play to artificially parse the evidence (extinction vs. critically threatened) so that you could misrepresent what the scientific world is talking about.

Meanwhile the holocene extinction and the human-driven activities behind it are well established. Peer reviewed examples were given from the journal Nature and the United Nations meta-analysis of 15,000 studies. But you arbitrarily claimed that the IUCN was more accurate than all of those, a fake standard which only you care about and nobody else does.

Now you claim that "all we have" is venom, simply for calling you out on your phony scientific anti-intellectualism.

Cry me a river.
 
Northern Light said:
Another lie. You asked for proof and then when you got it you moved the goal posts and used semantic word play to artificially parse the evidence (extinction vs. critically threatened) so that you could misrepresent what the scientific world is talking about.

Meanwhile the holocene extinction and the human-driven activities behind it are well established. Peer reviewed examples were given from the journal Nature and the United Nations meta-analysis of 15,000 studies. But you arbitrarily claimed that the IUCN was more accurate than all of those, a fake standard which only you care about and nobody else does.

Now you claim that "all we have" is venom, simply for calling you out on your phony scientific anti-intellectualism.

Cry me a river.
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I present data. You present insults. With every post you make my case. Keep it up.
 
Jack Hays said:
You're helping me again. Nothing is so off-putting as the accusation, without foundation, of lying. It calls into question the character of the accuser and creates empathy for the target.
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It's not without foundation. I've already fully expounded when and how you are were , in precise terms. Claiming that I never did that is in of itself a lie, either that or just totally delusional.

A person without character can't question somebody else's character and be taken seriously.

It would be far more honest if you just admitted that you have an inflexible opinion that will never change. Instead, you masquerade as a scientific researcher while suffering from selection bias and lack of intellectual objectivity. You should be ashamed of yourself. You insult anyone who has put in years of dedicated effort gaining professional credentials and being part of field research communities. You have no right.
 
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