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Why We Pay No Attention to the Doom Mongers

LowDown

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Earth Day predictions of 1970:

If the predictions of these environmentalists, ecologists, and biologists were accurate we'd already be dead a dozen times over. Climate was seen as a threat back then, but not the same way it is now.

"We have about five more years at the outside to do something." - Kenneth Watt, ecologist

"Civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind."
- George Wald, Harvard Biologist

"Population will inevitably and completely outstrip whatever small increases in food supplies we make. The death rate will increase until at least 100-200 million people per year will be starving to death during the next ten years."
- Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist

"By 1975 some experts feel that food shortages will have escalated the present level of world hunger and starvation into famines of unbelievable proportions. Other experts, more optimistic, think the ultimate food-population collision will not occur until the decade of the 1980s."
- Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist

"It is already too late to avoid mass starvation."
- Denis Hayes, chief organizer for Earth Day

[The only starvation we've seen is due to poor governance, e.g., Venezuela. -LD]

"Demographers agree almost unanimously on the following grim timetable: by 1975 widespread famines will begin in India; these will spread by 1990 to include all of India, Pakistan, China and the Near East, Africa. By the year 2000, or conceivably sooner, South and Central America will exist under famine conditions….By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine."
-Peter Gunter, professor, North Texas State University

"Scientists have solid experimental and theoretical evidence to support the following predictions: In a decade, urban dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution by 1985 air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half."
- Life Magazine, January 1970

"Air pollution is certainly going to take hundreds of thousands of lives in the next few years alone.
- Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist

"We are prospecting for the very last of our resources and using up the nonrenewable things many times faster than we are finding new ones."
- Martin Litton, Sierra Club director

"By the year 2000, if present trends continue, we will be using up crude oil at such a rate that there won't be any more crude oil. You'll drive up to the pump and say, `Fill 'er up, buddy,' and he'll say, `I am very sorry, there isn't any.'"
- Kenneth Watt, Ecologist

"Dr. S. Dillon Ripley, secretary of the Smithsonian Institute, believes that in 25 years, somewhere between 75 and 80 percent of all the species of living animals will be extinct."
- Sen. Gaylord Nelson

"The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years. If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age."
- Kenneth Watt, Ecologist

The defense of all this failure is often that technological developments that these prophets didn't foresee avoided the catastrophes they predicted. But the Green Revolution was already in place when these predictions of mass starvation were made.

It is true that warnings about pollution of the air and water spurred the passage of laws to clean up the air and water, such as the creation of the EPA, which began operation later in 1970 with a mandate to do that, and it succeeded. This would be an example of reasonable, do-able goals to improve the world such as the agenda that Bjørn Lomborg advocates. The EPA has long since departed from reasonableness.

Trust in scientists is sensible, but not if they have a demonstrated tendency to fail.
 
Chain email.
 
They do what every dooms day cult does when the world doesn't end. If they didn't strap on their Nikes, they simply push the date back.
 
I mean, it's not like our understanding of things changes at all over time or anything.
 
I mean, it's not like our understanding of things changes at all over time or anything.

Yet the same doomsayers are saying the same doomsday things.
we are all going to die in 12 years so it doesn't matter anyway.

These people forget history.

at one point in time th earth had a co2 level of 1000ppm.
there were no icebergs or anything else on the planet.

antartica was a lush forest.

there is nothing that says we can't repeat that pattern again.
 
Yet the same doomsayers are saying the same doomsday things.
we are all going to die in 12 years so it doesn't matter anyway.

These people forget history.

at one point in time th earth had a co2 level of 1000ppm.
there were no icebergs or anything else on the planet.

antartica was a lush forest.

there is nothing that says we can't repeat that pattern again.

We were not around at the time....
 
We were not around at the time....

doesn't matter other mammals and creature were they were perfectly fine.
so we will be as well.
 
Yet the same doomsayers are saying the same doomsday things.
we are all going to die in 12 years so it doesn't matter anyway.

These people forget history.

at one point in time th earth had a co2 level of 1000ppm.
there were no icebergs or anything else on the planet.

antartica was a lush forest.

there is nothing that says we can't repeat that pattern again.


No one has said we're going to DIE in 12 years. We have 12 years to make significant change before there will be nothing we can do at all to stop it from getting worse and worse. It'll be longer before significant amounts of people are dying specifically because of it, but if you need to wait until we're already at that point before we act, then we might as well just have nuclear war now and end it.
 
LowDown said:
Earth Day predictions of 1970:

If the predictions of these environmentalists, ecologists, and biologists were accurate we'd already be dead a dozen times over. Climate was seen as a threat back then, but not the same way it is now.

"We have about five more years at the outside to do something." - Kenneth Watt, ecologist

"Civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind."
- George Wald, Harvard Biologist

"Population will inevitably and completely outstrip whatever small increases in food supplies we make. The death rate will increase until at least 100-200 million people per year will be starving to death during the next ten years."
- Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist

"By 1975 some experts feel that food shortages will have escalated the present level of world hunger and starvation into famines of unbelievable proportions. Other experts, more optimistic, think the ultimate food-population collision will not occur until the decade of the 1980s."
- Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist

"It is already too late to avoid mass starvation."
- Denis Hayes, chief organizer for Earth Day

[The only starvation we've seen is due to poor governance, e.g., Venezuela. -LD]

"Demographers agree almost unanimously on the following grim timetable: by 1975 widespread famines will begin in India; these will spread by 1990 to include all of India, Pakistan, China and the Near East, Africa. By the year 2000, or conceivably sooner, South and Central America will exist under famine conditions….By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine."
-Peter Gunter, professor, North Texas State University

"Scientists have solid experimental and theoretical evidence to support the following predictions: In a decade, urban dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution by 1985 air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half."
- Life Magazine, January 1970

"Air pollution is certainly going to take hundreds of thousands of lives in the next few years alone.
- Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist

"We are prospecting for the very last of our resources and using up the nonrenewable things many times faster than we are finding new ones."
- Martin Litton, Sierra Club director

"By the year 2000, if present trends continue, we will be using up crude oil at such a rate that there won't be any more crude oil. You'll drive up to the pump and say, `Fill 'er up, buddy,' and he'll say, `I am very sorry, there isn't any.'"
- Kenneth Watt, Ecologist

"Dr. S. Dillon Ripley, secretary of the Smithsonian Institute, believes that in 25 years, somewhere between 75 and 80 percent of all the species of living animals will be extinct."
- Sen. Gaylord Nelson

"The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years. If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age."
- Kenneth Watt, Ecologist

The defense of all this failure is often that technological developments that these prophets didn't foresee avoided the catastrophes they predicted. But the Green Revolution was already in place when these predictions of mass starvation were made.

It is true that warnings about pollution of the air and water spurred the passage of laws to clean up the air and water, such as the creation of the EPA, which began operation later in 1970 with a mandate to do that, and it succeeded. This would be an example of reasonable, do-able goals to improve the world such as the agenda that Bjørn Lomborg advocates. The EPA has long since departed from reasonableness.

Trust in scientists is sensible, but not if they have a demonstrated tendency to fail.

It is a fact that chicken little alarmist have been preaching this garbage for decades.

The boy who cried wolf was eventually eaten. Pointing out the ubiquity of alarmists is not a logical argument against the established future dangers of climate change.
 
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doesn't matter other mammals and creature were they were perfectly fine.
so we will be as well.

Climate change has contributed to mass extinctions throughout history. But if you mean the human race as a whole when you say 'we,' I tend to agree that 'we' will survive the inevitable drastic climate change that is already occurring. The human race would also likely survive a worldwide nuclear holocaust as well, but that doesn't mean that this isn't something that we need to be worried about, or not try to avoid at all costs.
 
No one has said we're going to DIE in 12 years. We have 12 years to make significant change before there will be nothing we can do at all to stop it from getting worse and worse. It'll be longer before significant amounts of people are dying specifically because of it, but if you need to wait until we're already at that point before we act, then we might as well just have nuclear war now and end it.

Actually they have. so you obviously have not been paying attention to the news.
Nope sorry 12 years from now you will be just fine just like you were 30 years ago when they said the same thing.

your post is why no one takes you seriously.
 
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There seems to be a pattern of people combining several worst case events together to arrive at some catastrophic conclusion.
 
There seems to be a pattern of people combining several worst case events together to arrive at some catastrophic conclusion.

Yup. Cooling that began in 2016 is turning up the pressure on AGW messaging.
 
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Do you really think that particular lie will bite the dust? How long do you
think it will be before my daily "sea level" Google News search turns up
another study that says that Hawaii will be inundated by the ocean?

This run of the mill story
Waikiki Flood Concerns Spur Push For Hawaiʻi Shore Protection
was a few days ago, probably based on the same BS report that the WUWT
story was based on. But there will be another maybe next week or next month
or maybe a while longer, but you could probably bet the farm that there will
be another.
 
Do you really think that particular lie will bite the dust? How long do you
think it will be before my daily "sea level" Google News search turns up
another study that says that Hawaii will be inundated by the ocean?

This run of the mill story
Waikiki Flood Concerns Spur Push For Hawaiʻi Shore Protection
was a few days ago, probably based on the same BS report that the WUWT
story was based on. But there will be another maybe next week or next month
or maybe a while longer, but you could probably bet the farm that there will
be another.

Sadly, I have to agree. Cooling that began in 2016 is turning up the pressure on AGW messaging. Nonetheless we keep on keepin' on.
 
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It doesn't matter except for how fast. The Hawaiian islands are sinking. As the hot spot of the Hawaiian–Emperor seamount moves SE, which make the islands, the ones it left behind slowly sink.
 
The boy who cried wolf was eventually eaten. Pointing out the ubiquity of alarmists is not a logical argument against the established future dangers of climate change.

Please tell me what you expect to happen that s bad.

Keep it to one single bad aspect of a warmer world and one place. This is just so we can look at it and see how real this is. Otherwise the discussion will wander all over the place.
 

Please tell me what you expect to happen that s bad.

Keep it to one single bad aspect of a warmer world and one place. This is just so we can look at it and see how real this is. Otherwise the discussion will wander all over the place.

Tim, I think I can answer your question, but it requires real empathy.
Place yourself in the worn organic shoes of the rabid greenie.
They view Humans as a cancer upon mother earth.
A warmer world, means that more Humans (I.E. Cancer) can thrive, prosper, and expand,
which they see as a VERY BAD thing.:mrgreen:
 
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