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Power your Full-Sized Pickup Truck from the Sun

[COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]Shut Down[/COLOR]
The Beach Boys





Tach it up, tach it up
Buddy gonna shut you down
It happened on the strip where the road is wide
(Oooo rev it up now)
Two cool shorts standin' side by side
(Oooo rev it up now)
Yeah, my fuel injected Stingray and a four-thirteen
(Oooo rev it up now)
Revvin' up our engines and it sounds real mean
(Oooo rev it up now)
Tach it up, tach it up, tach it up
Buddy gonna shut you down
Declinin' numbers at an even rate
(Oooo movin' out now)
At the count of one we both accelerate
(Oooo movin' out now)
My Stingray is light the slicks are startin' to spin
(Oooo movin' out now)
But the four-thirteen's really diggin' in
(Oooo movin' out now)
Gotta be cool now power shift here we go

Superstock Dodge is windin' out and low
But my fuel injected Stingray's really startin' to go
To get the traction I'm ridin' the clutch
My pressure plate's burnin' that machine's too much
Pedal's to the floor hear the dual quads drink
(Oooo pump it up now)
And now the four-thirteen's lead is startin' to shrink
(Oooo pump it up now)
He's hot with ram induction but it's understood
(Oooo pump it up now)
I got a fuel injected engine sittin' under my hood
(Oooo pump it up now)
Shut it off, shut it off buddy now I shut you down
Shut it off, shut it off buddy now I shut you down
Shut it off, shut it off buddy now I shut you down
Shut it off, shut it off buddy now I shut you down
Shut it off, shut it off buddy now I shut you down




 
The Beach Boys – Little Deuce Coupe


"Little Deuce Coupe" as written by Roger Val Christian and Brian Douglas Wilson....



Little deuce Coupe
You don't know what I got
Little deuce Coupe
You don't know what I got

Well I'm not braggin' babe so don't put me down
But I've got the fastest set of wheels in town
When something comes up to me he don't even try
Cause if I had a set of wings man I know she could fly
She's my little deuce coupe
You don't know what I got
(My little deuce coupe)
(You don't know what I got)

Just a little deuce coupe with a flat head mill
But she'll walk a Thunderbird like it's standin' still
She's ported and relieved and she's stroked and bored
She'll do a hundred and forty with the top end floored
She's my little deuce coupe
You don't know what I got
(My little deuce coupe)
(You don't know what I got)

She's got a competition clutch with the four on the floor
And she purrs like a kitten till the lake pipes roar
And if that aint enough to make you flip your lid
There's one more thing, I got the pink slip daddy

And comin' off the line when the light turns green
Well she blows 'em outta the water like you never seen
I get pushed out of shape and it's hard to steer
When I get rubber in all four gears

She's my little deuce coupe
You don't know what I got
(My little deuce coupe)
(You don't know what I got)
She's my little deuce coupe
You don't know what I got
(My little deuce coupe)
(You don't know what I got)
She's my little deuce coupe
You don't know what I got
 
[COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]G.T.O.[/COLOR]
Ronny & the Daytonas





Little GTO
You're really lookin' fine
Three deuces and a four-speed
And a three-eighty-nine
Listen to her tachin' up now
Listen to her whine
C'mon and turn it on, wind it up, blow it out, GTO
Yeah, yeah, little GTO
Yeah, yeah, little GTO
Yeah, yeah, little GTO
Yeah, yeah, little GTO
Aaah, little GTO
You oughta see her on a road course
Or a quarter mile
This little modified Pon-Pon
Has got plenty of style
She beats the gassers and the rail jobs
Really drives 'em wild
C'mon and turn it on, wind it up, blow it out, GTO
Yeah, yeah, little GTO
Yeah, yeah, little GTO
Yeah, yeah, little GTO
Yeah, yeah, little GTO
Aaah, little GTO

Gonna save all my money
And buy a GTO (turnin' it on blowin' it out)
Get a helmet and a roll bar
And I'll be ready to go (turnin' it on, blowin' it out)
Take it out to Pomona
And let 'em know, yeah yeah (turnin' it on blowin' it out)
That I'm the coolest thing around
Little buddy, gonna shut you down
When I turn it on, wind it up, blow it out, GTO
Yeah, yeah, little GTO
Yeah, yeah, little GTO
Yeah, yeah, little GTO
Yeah, yeah, little GTO
Aaah, little GTO





 
How off-topic can some of these posters get. Here is an interesting link that shows how much solar PV power has increased in the US. Many EV owners are now starting to power their cars from solar PVs.

Solar Energy in the United States | Department of Energy

Solar power is more affordable, accessible, and prevalent in the United States than ever before. Since 2008, U.S. installations have grown seventeen-fold from 1.2 gigawatts (GW) to an estimated 30 GW today. This is enough capacity to power the equivalent of 5.7 million average American homes.1 Since 2010, the average cost of solar PV panels has dropped more than 60% and the cost of a solar electric system has dropped by about 50%.

Markets for solar energy are maturing rapidly around the country, and solar electricity is now economically-competitive with conventional energy sources in several states, including California, Hawaii, Texas, and Minnesota. Moreover, the solar industry is a proven incubator for job growth throughout the nation. Solar jobs have increased about 123% since November 2010, with nearly 209,000 solar workers in the United States.
 
Media_Truth said:
How off-topic can some of these posters get. Here is an interesting link that shows how much solar PV power has increased in the US. Many EV owners are now starting to power their cars from solar PVs.

Solar Energy in the United States | Department of Energy

Solar power is more affordable, accessible, and prevalent in the United States than ever before. Since 2008, U.S. installations have grown seventeen-fold from 1.2 gigawatts (GW) to an estimated 30 GW today. This is enough capacity to power the equivalent of 5.7 million average American homes.1 Since 2010, the average cost of solar PV panels has dropped more than 60% and the cost of a solar electric system has dropped by about 50%.

Markets for solar energy are maturing rapidly around the country, and solar electricity is now economically-competitive with conventional energy sources in several states, including California, Hawaii, Texas, and Minnesota. Moreover, the solar industry is a proven incubator for job growth throughout the nation. Solar jobs have increased about 123% since November 2010, with nearly 209,000 solar workers in the United States.
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THE RIP CHORDS
"Hey, Little Cobra"
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on Amazon Music
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Hey, Little Cobra
Don't you know
You're gonna shut'em down
I took my Cobra down to the track
Hitched to the back of my Cadillac
Everyone was there just a waiting for me
There were plenty of Stingrays and XKEs
Spring little Cobra
Getting ready to strike
Spring little Cobra
With all of your might
Spring little Cobra
Getting ready to strike
Spring little Cobra
With all of your might
Hey, little Cobra
Don't you know
You're gonna shut'em down
When the flag went down
You could hear rubber burn
The Stingray had me going into the turn
I hung a big shift and I got into high
And then I flew by the Stingray
I waved bye-bye
Spring little Cobra
Getting ready to strike
Spring little Cobra
With all of your might
Spring little Cobra
Getting ready to strike
Spring little Cobra
With all of your might
Hey, little Cobra
Don't you know
You're gonna shut'em down
Around the far turn
In the straight-away
I was blowing off everything
That got in my way
The Stingrays and Jags
Were so far behind
I took my Cobra out of gear
And I coast to the line
Spring little Cobra
Getting ready to strike
Spring little Cobra
With all of your might
Spring little Cobra
Getting ready to strike
Spring little Cobra
With all of your might
Hey, little Cobra
Don't you know
You're gonna shut'em down
Shut'em down
Shut'em down
Shut'em down
Shut'em down

​
 
Jack Hays said:
THE RIP CHORDS
"Hey, Little Cobra"
[FONT=FontAwesome !important]

[COLOR=#213374 !important]Play "Hey, Little Co…"

on Amazon Music
[FONT=FontAwesome !important][/FONT]

[/FONT][/COLOR]
Hey, Little Cobra
Don't you know
You're gonna shut'em down
I took my Cobra down to the track
Hitched to the back of my Cadillac
Everyone was there just a waiting for me
There were plenty of Stingrays and XKEs
Spring little Cobra
Getting ready to strike
Spring little Cobra
With all of your might
Spring little Cobra
Getting ready to strike
Spring little Cobra
With all of your might
Hey, little Cobra
Don't you know
You're gonna shut'em down
When the flag went down
You could hear rubber burn
The Stingray had me going into the turn
I hung a big shift and I got into high
And then I flew by the Stingray
I waved bye-bye
Spring little Cobra
Getting ready to strike
Spring little Cobra
With all of your might
Spring little Cobra
Getting ready to strike
Spring little Cobra
With all of your might
Hey, little Cobra
Don't you know
You're gonna shut'em down
Around the far turn
In the straight-away
I was blowing off everything
That got in my way
The Stingrays and Jags
Were so far behind
I took my Cobra out of gear
And I coast to the line
Spring little Cobra
Getting ready to strike
Spring little Cobra
With all of your might
Spring little Cobra
Getting ready to strike
Spring little Cobra
With all of your might
Hey, little Cobra
Don't you know
You're gonna shut'em down
Shut'em down
Shut'em down
Shut'em down
Shut'em down

​
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Much more coherent than most of your posts.
 
Media_Truth said:
Much more coherent than most of your posts.
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[COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]Don’t Worry Baby[/COLOR]
The Beach Boys





Well it's been building up inside of me
For oh I don't know how long
I don't know why
But I keep thinking
Something's bound to go wrong
But she looks in my eyes
And makes me realize
And she says "don't worry, baby"
Don't worry, baby
Don't worry, baby
Everything will turn out alright
Don't worry, baby
Don't worry, baby
Don't worry, baby
I guess I should've kept my mouth shut
When I started to brag about my car
But I can't back down now because
I pushed the other guys too far
She makes me come alive
And makes me wanna drive
When she says "don't worry, baby"
Don't worry, baby
Don't worry, baby
Everything will turn out alright
Don't worry, baby
Don't worry, baby
Don't worry, baby

She told me "Baby, when you race today
Just take along my love with you
And if you knew how much I loved you
Baby, nothing could go wrong with you"
Oh what she does to me
When she makes love to me
And she says "don't worry, baby"
Don't worry, baby
Don't worry, baby
Everything will turn out alright
Don't worry, baby
Don't worry, baby
Don't worry, baby




 
The practical issues of installing EV charging points

May 6, 2019Energy: electric cars​
A reader posted this in the comments to the previous post. It's by an electrician in Melbourne, and describes some work he had done on the feasibility of installing EV charging points in a local apartment building. I was amused.
I recently did some work for the body corporate at Dock 5 Apartment Building in Docklands to see if we could install a number of electric charging points for owners to charge their electric vehicles. We discovered:

  • Our building had no non-allocated parking spaces (i.e. public ones). This is typical of most apartment buildings so we cannot provide shared outlets. The power supply in the building was designed for the loads in the building with no spare capacity.
  • Only 5 or 6 chargers could be installed in total in a building with 188 apartments!
  • How do you allocate them as they would add value to any apartment owning one?
  • The car park sub-boards cannot carry the extra loads of even one charger and would have to be upgraded on any floors with a charger, as would the supply mains to each sub-board. The main switch board would then have to be upgraded to add the heavier circuit breakers for the sub-mains upgrade.
  • When Docklands was designed, a limit was put on the number of apartments in each precinct and the mains and transformers in the streets were designed accordingly. This means there is no capacity in the Docklands street grid for any significant quantity of car chargers in any building in the area.
It gets better. . . .
 
Jack Hays said:
The practical issues of installing EV charging points

May 6, 2019Energy: electric cars​
A reader posted this in the comments to the previous post. It's by an electrician in Melbourne, and describes some work he had done on the feasibility of installing EV charging points in a local apartment building. I was amused.
I recently did some work for the body corporate at Dock 5 Apartment Building in Docklands to see if we could install a number of electric charging points for owners to charge their electric vehicles. We discovered:

  • Our building had no non-allocated parking spaces (i.e. public ones). This is typical of most apartment buildings so we cannot provide shared outlets. The power supply in the building was designed for the loads in the building with no spare capacity.
  • Only 5 or 6 chargers could be installed in total in a building with 188 apartments!
  • How do you allocate them as they would add value to any apartment owning one?
  • The car park sub-boards cannot carry the extra loads of even one charger and would have to be upgraded on any floors with a charger, as would the supply mains to each sub-board. The main switch board would then have to be upgraded to add the heavier circuit breakers for the sub-mains upgrade.
  • When Docklands was designed, a limit was put on the number of apartments in each precinct and the mains and transformers in the streets were designed accordingly. This means there is no capacity in the Docklands street grid for any significant quantity of car chargers in any building in the area.
It gets better. . . .
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People fail to to see that our transport energy use is about 3 times our electrical energy use.
Our current grid infrastructure is incapable of increasing the load to those levels, without massive improvements.
You may be able to slide some charging between the load duty cycles, but that also would have real limitations.
 
longview said:
People fail to to see that our transport energy use is about 3 times our electrical energy use.
Our current grid infrastructure is incapable of increasing the load to those levels, without massive improvements.
You may be able to slide some charging between the load duty cycles, but that also would have real limitations.
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Most Electrical Vehicle charging is done at home. Naysayers like to focus on charging stations - blah-blah-blah... Consider that most EVs are now getting 200-300 miles from a full charge. That falls within the range of 99.99% of vehicle trips.
 
Media_Truth said:
Most Electrical Vehicle charging is done at home. Naysayers like to focus on charging stations - blah-blah-blah... Consider that most EVs are now getting 200-300 miles from a full charge. That falls within the range of 99.99% of vehicle trips.
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Most home charging still draws power from the grid!
The grid cannot support more than a few percent of electric cars, without a major upgrade.
Please consider that the average household uses 967 Kwh per month, but also uses 91 gallons of gasoline.
The energy in gasoline is ~33 Kwh per gallon or 3000 Kwh per month.
Even if the electric vehicle were twice as efficient, at 1500 kwh per month, we would still need a grid that supported
more than double the current capacity.
 
longview said:
Most home charging still draws power from the grid!
The grid cannot support more than a few percent of electric cars, without a major upgrade.
Please consider that the average household uses 967 Kwh per month, but also uses 91 gallons of gasoline.
The energy in gasoline is ~33 Kwh per gallon or 3000 Kwh per month.
Even if the electric vehicle were twice as efficient, at 1500 kwh per month, we would still need a grid that supported
more than double the current capacity.
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OK, so we are past the ridiculous Charging Station arguments?

The status of "The Grid" varies throughout the US. Utilities are adapting to the new mix of renewables, whether it be rooftop solar or utility-level-generated wind, throughout the United States. They will get better and better at this, and the grid will continue to be improved. Your state of Texas is a prime example. They upgraded their grid so that the large number of wind farms in the Central and Western part of the state can provide electricity for the population centers in the Eastern areas.

And take the State of Iowa. They understand this...
Iowa's status as a renewable energy leader: How we got here, and what's next | Iowa Ideas

Of all 50 states, Texas produces the most wind, with more than 20,000 MW in total capacity last year. Iowa came in second, with more than 6,300 MW.

However, Iowa’s wind generation accounts for more than one-third of the state’s total energy production — ranking first in the nation in that category.
...
In the past, energy generation took place near the point of use. But as the grid becomes more regional, local power plants are retired and wind farms expand in rural areas, the need to install proper transmission lines becomes all the more pressing, said Krista Tanner, president of ITC Midwest, which operates more than 6,600 circuit miles of transmission lines in the state.

Climb aboard, because this ride is just beginning.
 
Media_Truth said:
OK, so we are past the ridiculous Charging Station arguments?

The status of "The Grid" varies throughout the US. Utilities are adapting to the new mix of renewables, whether it be rooftop solar or utility-level-generated wind, throughout the United States. They will get better and better at this, and the grid will continue to be improved. Your state of Texas is a prime example. They upgraded their grid so that the large number of wind farms in the Central and Western part of the state can provide electricity for the population centers in the Eastern areas.

And take the State of Iowa. They understand this...
Iowa's status as a renewable energy leader: How we got here, and what's next | Iowa Ideas

Of all 50 states, Texas produces the most wind, with more than 20,000 MW in total capacity last year. Iowa came in second, with more than 6,300 MW.

However, Iowa’s wind generation accounts for more than one-third of the state’s total energy production — ranking first in the nation in that category.
...
In the past, energy generation took place near the point of use. But as the grid becomes more regional, local power plants are retired and wind farms expand in rural areas, the need to install proper transmission lines becomes all the more pressing, said Krista Tanner, president of ITC Midwest, which operates more than 6,600 circuit miles of transmission lines in the state.

Climb aboard, because this ride is just beginning.
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You cannot get around the fact that moving our transport load from oil to the grid
will require a massive improvement.
 
longview said:
You cannot get around the fact that moving our transport load from oil to the grid
will require a massive improvement.
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Well we are in luck since the nations power grids are going to need to be upgraded no matter if its because of electric vehicles or something else.

What we need is smaller grids not huge grids that other nations could sabotage and take power out for entire regions. In other words the other reason to upgrade power distribution in the US has mainly to do with national security. Planning for EV's at same time could also be considered a good move for national security. If we can switch to EV's nationally we would not have to worry (so much) about oil rich countries gaining power.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Well we are in luck since the nations power grids are going to need to be upgraded no matter if its because of electric vehicles or something else.

What we need is smaller grids not huge grids that other nations could sabotage and take power out for entire regions. In other words the other reason to upgrade power distribution in the US has mainly to do with national security. Planning for EV's at same time could also be considered a good move for national security. If we can switch to EV's nationally we would not have to worry (so much) about oil rich countries gaining power.
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I cannot disagree, but it may not be possible to actually power the grid from only alternative power,
I think it will require some baseload and backup.
 
longview said:
I cannot disagree, but it may not be possible to actually power the grid from only alternative power,
I think it will require some baseload and backup.
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Power is power it isnt alternative power. Alternative power is more of a political moniker used as either as an attack on coal/oil use or as an attack on anything against coal/oil/fission/natural gas industry.

Meanwhile we will use whatever is worth using despite which team wants what. In reality what matters is how much I am paying for electricity each month. How that power was produced does not matter to me unless there are side effects of the power production that might cause me trouble personally or ends up costing me money in other ways. To me though whether the electricity that is at my house came from one power plant or another is for the most part meaningless.

Consumers mainly are concerned about cost and convenience. If one method is cheaper and convenient then that method will be the chosen method. It boils down to powering the US will be chosen by the best technology for the job, and will be hampered by politics and lobbying of industries that do not want to die. Coal is a good example of a dying industry that is being passed up for better technologies. AT this point you could say that coal is an alternative source of energy. There are better ways but coal is there.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Power is power it isnt alternative power. Alternative power is more of a political moniker used as either as an attack on coal/oil use or as an attack on anything against coal/oil/fission/natural gas industry.

Meanwhile we will use whatever is worth using despite which team wants what. In reality what matters is how much I am paying for electricity each month. How that power was produced does not matter to me unless there are side effects of the power production that might cause me trouble personally or ends up costing me money in other ways. To me though whether the electricity that is at my house came from one power plant or another is for the most part meaningless.

Consumers mainly are concerned about cost and convenience. If one method is cheaper and convenient then that method will be the chosen method. It boils down to powering the US will be chosen by the best technology for the job, and will be hampered by politics and lobbying of industries that do not want to die. Coal is a good example of a dying industry that is being passed up for better technologies. AT this point you could say that coal is an alternative source of energy. There are better ways but coal is there.
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To me, when I say alternatives, I am talking about wind and solar, but they lack both the density and duty cycle to
meet our full time demands. I kind of like my AC to come on when the thermostat tells it to.
 
longview said:
To me, when I say alternatives, I am talking about wind and solar, but they lack both the density and duty cycle to
meet our full time demands. I kind of like my AC to come on when the thermostat tells it to.
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A better term then for you would probably be supplemental. Total power output is supplemented by a multitude of power sources.

To address you concerns about your SC coming on when you want; Solar and wind are only two power sources. It is dishonest to argue that those only two power sources would be utilized in any power grid. And at that it is most likely that you are assuming that the level of technology that we are at now is a constant. As more technology is available over time the Natural gas gambit will become a thing of the past. Because of the price of natural gas currently, all other power sources pretty much are alternatives to it. When Natural gas prices rise then other sources will become much more viable. At at top of that list will be solar and wind. But I suspect that other renewable sources will be even better.

Here is one example that has massive potential. NASA Wants to Know Cost of Space Solar Power - Lovesick Cyborg : Lovesick Cyborg

771px-Solar_power_satellite_sandwich_or_abascus_concept.jpg
 
As the name of this thread implies, I still think the simplest solution is still the best solution. I used to believe that America would embrace bicycles and mass transit. Although there is a well-intentioned movement in that direction, America loves it's automobiles. I truly believe that individual rooftop solar, which has grown to over 3 million homes in America in a short 8 years, is still the answer. Systems can easily be sized to power both the home and the electric vehicles. As a matter-of-fact, sizing larger systems is very cost-effective, as the price/per KiloWatt capacity goes way down. The big expense for installing solar PV systems is the permitting, setup, and labor. To install additional capacity does not add much to the cost. Why not use that idle roof space???:peace
 
Media_Truth said:
As the name of this thread implies, I still think the simplest solution is still the best solution. I used to believe that America would embrace bicycles and mass transit. Although there is a well-intentioned movement in that direction, America loves it's automobiles. I truly believe that individual rooftop solar, which has grown to over 3 million homes in America in a short 8 years, is still the answer. Systems can easily be sized to power both the home and the electric vehicles. As a matter-of-fact, sizing larger systems is very cost-effective, as the price/per KiloWatt capacity goes way down. The big expense for installing solar PV systems is the permitting, setup, and labor. To install additional capacity does not add much to the cost. Why not use that idle roof space???:peace
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[h=3]Death Panels: Why Firefighters Are Scared of Solar Rooftops – Mother ...[/h]
[url]https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/.../firefighters-solar-panels-roof-acce...
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Sep 11, 2013 - The only thing firefighters fear more than fire is solar. ... and potentially dangerous, rooftop PV systems pose some risks—mainly shock and trip ...
 
Jack Hays said:
[h=3]Death Panels: Why Firefighters Are Scared of Solar Rooftops – Mother ...[/h]
[url]https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/.../firefighters-solar-panels-roof-acce...
[/URL]



Sep 11, 2013 - The only thing firefighters fear more than fire is solar. ... and potentially dangerous, rooftop PV systems pose some risks—mainly shock and trip ...
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Better check yur links. I know it's difficult to keep track of the spamming of Forums.

Oops! That page can’t be found.
 
Media_Truth said:
Better check yur links. I know it's difficult to keep track of the spamming of Forums.

Oops! That page can’t be found.
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Works fine for me.

This story first appeared on the Atlantic Cities website and is reproduced here as part of the Climate Desk collaboration.
A 300,000 square foot refrigerated warehouse in Delanco, New Jersey, burned down last week, and the local fire chief says solar panels are partly to blame. No, the 700 solar panels on top of the Dietz & Watson warehouse didn’t cause the fire, but their presence did dissuade Delanco Fire Chief Ron Holt from putting his team on the roof. “With all that power and energy up there, I can’t jeopardize a guy’s life for that,” Holt told NBC Philadelphia. The only thing firefighters fear more than fire is solar. . . .
 
Jack Hays said:
[h=3]Death Panels: Why Firefighters Are Scared of Solar Rooftops – Mother ...[/h]
[url]https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/.../firefighters-solar-panels-roof-acce...
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Sep 11, 2013 - The only thing firefighters fear more than fire is solar. ... and potentially dangerous, rooftop PV systems pose some risks—mainly shock and trip ...
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One link worked, the other didn't. 2013 --- hmmm. By Building Code, in the State of Colorado, there has to be an external disconnect for any renewable installation, whether it be solar panels or a residential wind turbine. Maybe you better update your links Jack. :roll:
 
Media_Truth said:
One link worked, the other didn't. 2013 --- hmmm. By Building Code, in the State of Colorado, there has to be an external disconnect for any renewable installation, whether it be solar panels or a residential wind turbine. Maybe you better update your links Jack. :roll:
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They are both parts of the same link. This wasn't Colorado.
 
Jack Hays said:
They are both parts of the same link. This wasn't Colorado.
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There is a National Electric Code that is used for electrical designs. Therefore it's your onus to prove that all states don't have the same design criteria. Looking forward to your input. With high probability I will state that an external outdoor disconnect has been part of the NEC since at least 2011, when I installed my system. It may be that there needs to be better training for firefighters.

All that said, electrical installations of any kind tend to be a tough nutshell for firefighters. That includes service entrances, outdoor electrical connection boxes, inside service panels, and even 120-Volt outlets. Check this out ---> This firefighter lived, but was severely injured.

Electric power safety for firefighters
 
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