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Power your Full-Sized Pickup Truck from the Sun

I read it and ignored it because it's bogus pipe dream nonsense.

Typical unscientific rhetoric. Please provide details, showing with calculations, what is not achievable. I claim every aspect is 100% achievable. Prove me wrong!
 
Typical unscientific rhetoric. Please provide details, showing with calculations, what is not achievable. I claim every aspect is 100% achievable. Prove me wrong!

So far it's just marketing hype.

From your link:

[FONT=&quot]". . . Although it looks ready to roll, Rivian says the R1T you see here is "92 percent" finished. The skateboard is done, the company says, but there's some work left to do on the cab and bed. As such, the R1T won't go on sale until late 2020. When it does, the MegaPack full-power models will lead the charge and start in the mid-$80,000 range in its most basic Marathon trim (best range/lowest equipment level). The smaller batteries will go into production a year later with pricing for the 105-kW-hr battery starting in the upper $60,000 range. . . ."[/FONT]
 
Did you even read my first post? Did you read the title of the thread? These electric vehicles can be powered 95-100% off solar photovoltaics. . . .

Then why the charging stations?

[FONT=&quot]". . . Although the pickup and SUV will lead things off, Rivian has four more vehicles planned to debut by 2030 and will also build some of its own branded EV chargers in places it thinks truck and SUV buyers will go that don't currently have charging stations, like national parks."[/FONT]
 
So far it's just marketing hype.

From your link:

[FONT="]". . . Although it looks ready to roll, Rivian says the R1T you see here is "92 percent" finished. The skateboard is done, the company says, but there's some work left to do on the cab and bed. As such, the R1T won't go on sale until late 2020. When it does, the MegaPack full-power models will lead the charge and start in the mid-$80,000 range in its most basic Marathon trim (best range/lowest equipment level). The smaller batteries will go into production a year later with pricing for the 105-kW-hr battery starting in the upper $60,000 range. . . ."[/FONT]

That's not "Markiting Hype", that's a schedule for the release of a new Electrical Vehicle. You have no calculations showing that ALL new EVs can't be powered from this solar system.
 
Then why the charging stations?

[FONT="]". . . Although the pickup and SUV will lead things off, Rivian has four more vehicles planned to debut by 2030 and will also build some of its own branded EV chargers in places it thinks truck and SUV buyers will go that don't currently have charging stations, like national parks."[/FONT]

How RIDICULOUS is that? Why do your gas hogs have to be refilled with gas? The difference is that this can be powered from 95-100% solar, if planned correctly. Your gas hogs can only be powered from GAS. Your BIAS is on full display. Still waiting on those calculations.
 
That's not "Markiting Hype", that's a schedule for the release of a new Electrical Vehicle. You have no calculations showing that ALL new EVs can't be powered from this solar system.

How RIDICULOUS is that? Why do your gas hogs have to be refilled with gas? The difference is that this can be powered from 95-100% solar, if planned correctly. Your gas hogs can only be powered from GAS. Your BIAS is on full display. Still waiting on those calculations.

I don't have to provide calculations. I'm not promising anything. Still don't understand why solar vehicles need charging stations.
 
I don't have to provide calculations. I'm not promising anything. Still don't understand why solar vehicles need charging stations.

You don't seem to understand much of anything. You should educate yourself in the sciences. Do you understand logical relationships?

ELECTRIC VEHICLES NEQ SOLAR VEHICLES
SOLAR PANELS EQ FREE ELECTRICITY
SOLAR PANELS EQ POWER SOURCE FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLES
SOLAR PANELS NEQ POWER SOURCE FOR GAS-POWERED VEHICLES
 
How RIDICULOUS is that? Why do your gas hogs have to be refilled with gas? The difference is that this can be powered from 95-100% solar, if planned correctly. Your gas hogs can only be powered from GAS. Your BIAS is on full display. Still waiting on those calculations.
I think the calculations that matter is energy density.
Energy density - Wikipedia
Gasoline at 46.4 MJ/kg
Lithium-ion battery at >1 MJ/kg
Even at a 15% carnot efficiency of a heat engine, gasoline still carries
greater than 6 times the energy per unit mass.
If the energy density of batteries doubles, gasoline would still be better.
I think at some point we will have vehicles that carry the energy as hydrocarbons,
but used a small steam reformer and a fuel cell to keep a small battery charged.
It is all still a battery, (chemical storage of energy) just a broader definition.
 
You don't seem to understand much of anything. You should educate yourself in the sciences. Do you understand logical relationships?

ELECTRIC VEHICLES NEQ SOLAR VEHICLES
SOLAR PANELS EQ FREE ELECTRICITY
SOLAR PANELS EQ POWER SOURCE FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLES
SOLAR PANELS NEQ POWER SOURCE FOR GAS-POWERED VEHICLES

And yet, in an article about allegedly solar powered vehicles, the company touted charging stations.
 
Nothing to respect. I've always had help getting my next used vehicle, and I've always had help keeping 'em running. I'm actually a massive idiot when it comes to anything automotive.

I expect a vehicle with close to 200k miles to last me a couple years. There's only been a few occasions where this was not the case, twice because I did not so much as check my oil, and another time when the oil pump gave out a few months after buying a car off the local mechanic. Considering that it was their grand-daughters car, no real way to predict the fuel pump going out [as far as I know], the cheap price of the vehicle, and the fact that they didn't charge me the next couple times I payed them a visit, I've got no reason to complain.
I dunno' my friend, I suspect you and your family's transportation needs are quite different than mine. But if it works for you, I'm envious.
 
And yet, in an article about allegedly solar powered vehicles, the company touted charging stations.

You're total lack of reading or lack of reading comprehension skills is on FULL DISPLAY. The original article is a MotorTrend article about the electrically powered Rivian. It says nothing about Solar Power. Maybe the science was too much for you (again).

I provided a link to a Solar-Edge system, which can be used to power electric vehicles, using solar panels and a solar inverter. The combination of the two can be used to accomplish 95-100% of one's driving needs. I provided the most basic of scientific calculations to make my case, but even those seem completely over your head. What are you doing on Climate Change forum, if you cannot understand science?
 
I think the calculations that matter is energy density.
Energy density - Wikipedia
Gasoline at 46.4 MJ/kg
Lithium-ion battery at >1 MJ/kg
Even at a 15% carnot efficiency of a heat engine, gasoline still carries
greater than 6 times the energy per unit mass.
If the energy density of batteries doubles, gasoline would still be better.
I think at some point we will have vehicles that carry the energy as hydrocarbons,
but used a small steam reformer and a fuel cell to keep a small battery charged.
It is all still a battery, (chemical storage of energy) just a broader definition.

Yes, we know we can power cars with gasoline. I don't think anybody would argue that. Now we can also power them with electricity from solar.

Not only that, but if you read the original article about the Rivian pickup, it has more towing capacity than the Toyota Tacoma. It goes 0-60 in 3 seconds. It has more clearance capability than the Tacoma, etc, etc...
 
Yes, we know we can power cars with gasoline. I don't think anybody would argue that. Now we can also power them with electricity from solar.

Not only that, but if you read the original article about the Rivian pickup, it has more towing capacity than the Toyota Tacoma. It goes 0-60 in 3 seconds. It has more clearance capability than the Tacoma, etc, etc...
I bet it's got good towing, all that torque combined with the weight of all those batteries!!!!!
There is a reason trains are diesel electric.
 
You're total lack of reading or lack of reading comprehension skills is on FULL DISPLAY. The original article is a MotorTrend article about the electrically powered Rivian. It says nothing about Solar Power. Maybe the science was too much for you (again).

I provided a link to a Solar-Edge system, which can be used to power electric vehicles, using solar panels and a solar inverter. The combination of the two can be used to accomplish 95-100% of one's driving needs. I provided the most basic of scientific calculations to make my case, but even those seem completely over your head. What are you doing on Climate Change forum, if you cannot understand science?

The solar claim was yours in #40: These electric vehicles can be powered 95-100% off solar photovoltaics.
 
The solar claim was yours in #40: These electric vehicles can be powered 95-100% off solar photovoltaics.

You're hopelessly lost in a quagmire.:doh
 
The bed's to small, 4.6 feet long by 4.5 feet, for most construction trades plus 200 to 300 lbs of tools plus materials that will need a trailer (won't fit in the bed) make impractical. Not to mention the milage reduction carrying and pulling a load.

For home use where a truck is seldom used or needed sure, fleet trucks, not so much.
 
The bed's to small, 4.6 feet long by 4.5 feet, for most construction trades plus 200 to 300 lbs of tools plus materials that will need a trailer (won't fit in the bed) make impractical. Not to mention the milage reduction carrying and pulling a load.

For home use where a truck is seldom used or needed sure, fleet trucks, not so much.

OK, I'll take your word that it won't work for you. However, I see a number of construction contractors driving small pickups.
 
OK, I'll take your word that it won't work for you. However, I see a number of construction contractors driving small pickups.

I do also, mostly just tools very little materials or lite weight materials. Smaller subcontractors, the majority, need full size, 5x8ft or at least short 4-5 x6ft bed trucks to carry the load.

I think it's a great innovation, just not quite ready for fleet size subcontractors. More carry space and more milage with loads.
 
I found this link on the EV solar charging system. It explains it a little better.

https://www.solaredge.com/sites/def...xUKmFyP7MThJgCbNCMwy0h2Rju7-xfHq8RQhK5_Be82NI

EV_Charging_Photo.JPG

Increase your revenue with the world’s first EV charging PV inverter. It offers users the
ability to charge electric vehicles up to six times faster than a standard Level 1 charger
through an innovative solar boost mode that utilizes grid and PV charging simultaneously.
Your customers will save money, time and hassle compared to purchasing and installing an
EV charger and PV inverter separately, which will require additional wiring, conduit, and circuit breaker.
The EV charging inverter saves space and eliminates a potential main distribution panel upgrade.
Whether your customer owns an EV now or just wants to be EV-ready, drive your business into the future
with SolarEdge
 
I asked my Chevy Volt group if anybody is using the SolarEdge Photovoltaic system. Got the following replies:

1. "I have had a system since January. It’s really starting to make power this last few weeks."
2. "Over a megawatt this month already!"
3. "I have the previous generation... a SolarEdge 7600 that can be upgraded to a StorEdge (battery backup) and a SolarEdge 3000 with a 10.54 KW LG solar array on my roof. It has been very reliable."
4. "Solar City (now Tesla) installed a 4.7KW system on our house. Electric bill is now $15 a month and includes charging the ELR."
5. "We have a 7.7 kwh system installed in 2016. In 2017 we had $50 a month utility bills to replace the $250 ones we had before. Last year solar production was down a little, but still pretty nice savings."
6. "when I got the '13 Volt, I added 2.5 KW, 10 more panels to the roof to cover the amount of energy charging the volt would need. That has worked out I think and I have no more room to put more solar panels up there anyway."
 
[h=2]Electric cars are perfect for socialists: Labor plan boosts Big-Gov, but worse for CO2, pollution, coal use, and grid[/h]
[h=4][/h][h=4]Labor’s electric car plan means higher emissions, more pollution, more coal use, and threatens the grid but it’s great for socialists.[/h]Fantasy-land: Labor wants half of all new cars sales to be EV’s by 2030. That’s a radical change in a big country that loves its cars and drives great distances. Last year only 0.2% of new car purchases were EV’s. Our grid is already struggling, and extra charging cars would push it over the edge and may add something like $20b a year in extra network and generation costs.
This makes no sense on so many levels: in Australia EV’s are 80% fossil fuel powered and over their lifetime they cause more pollution than internal combustion engines.
[h=4]Electric Vehicles produce more carbon emissions if the grid that charges them is powered by fossil fuels.[/h]The results reveal that the energy consumption and greenhouse gas emissions of a battery electric vehicle production range from 92.4 to 94.3 GJ and 15.0 to 15.2 t CO[SUB]2[/SUB]eq, which are about 50% higher than those of an internal combustion engine vehicle, 63.5 GJ and 10.0 t CO[SUB]2[/SUB]eq. This substantial change can be mainly attributed to the production of traction batteries, the essential components for battery electric vehicles. (Qiao, 2017)
… an electric car recharged by a coal-fired plant produces as much CO2 as a gasoline-powered car that gets 29 miles per gallon (12.3 km/L).” (Sivak, 2017)
In a coal fired country, EV’s achieve nothing for carbon emissions, but over their lifecycle, they’re worse for human toxicity, freshwater eco-toxicity, freshwater eutrophication, and mineral resource depletion. (Hawkins, 2012).

EV’s are so useless for the environment you might wonder why Labor and the Greens love them. Take your pick:


  1. Labor Green policitians are honest but stupid.
  2. Labor Green politicans don’t care less about the environment but want a great socialist car.
With our coal fired grid and long distances the only place on Earth less suited to EV’s is Antarctica, where it is too cold for the batteries to work and where people die when they run out of “fuel”. Although at least Antarcticans won’t have to worry about extreme heat setting their batteries on fire. . . .
 
[h=2]Electric cars are perfect for socialists: Labor plan boosts Big-Gov, but worse for CO2, pollution, coal use, and grid[/h]
[h=4][/h][h=4]Labor’s electric car plan means higher emissions, more pollution, more coal use, and threatens the grid but it’s great for socialists.[/h]Fantasy-land: Labor wants half of all new cars sales to be EV’s by 2030. That’s a radical change in a big country that loves its cars and drives great distances. Last year only 0.2% of new car purchases were EV’s. Our grid is already struggling, and extra charging cars would push it over the edge and may add something like $20b a year in extra network and generation costs.
This makes no sense on so many levels: in Australia EV’s are 80% fossil fuel powered and over their lifetime they cause more pollution than internal combustion engines.
[h=4]Electric Vehicles produce more carbon emissions if the grid that charges them is powered by fossil fuels.[/h]The results reveal that the energy consumption and greenhouse gas emissions of a battery electric vehicle production range from 92.4 to 94.3 GJ and 15.0 to 15.2 t CO[SUB]2[/SUB]eq, which are about 50% higher than those of an internal combustion engine vehicle, 63.5 GJ and 10.0 t CO[SUB]2[/SUB]eq. This substantial change can be mainly attributed to the production of traction batteries, the essential components for battery electric vehicles. (Qiao, 2017)
… an electric car recharged by a coal-fired plant produces as much CO2 as a gasoline-powered car that gets 29 miles per gallon (12.3 km/L).” (Sivak, 2017)
In a coal fired country, EV’s achieve nothing for carbon emissions, but over their lifecycle, they’re worse for human toxicity, freshwater eco-toxicity, freshwater eutrophication, and mineral resource depletion. (Hawkins, 2012).

EV’s are so useless for the environment you might wonder why Labor and the Greens love them. Take your pick:


  1. Labor Green policitians are honest but stupid.
  2. Labor Green politicans don’t care less about the environment but want a great socialist car.
With our coal fired grid and long distances the only place on Earth less suited to EV’s is Antarctica, where it is too cold for the batteries to work and where people die when they run out of “fuel”. Although at least Antarcticans won’t have to worry about extreme heat setting their batteries on fire. . . .

Are you attacking electric cars, because they challenge the interests of your trolling funders?
 
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