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This is what happens when EPA regulations are turned back

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This is just the tip of the iceberg of environmental calamitous events we'll see more frequently in the future. EPA regulations have been cut to the bone and in some cases, complete eradication of EPA regulations throughout the country. Are we all really so naive to assume that reducing safety regulations wouldn't result in these tragic events?


Massive Fire Burns At Oil Refinery In Carson - CBS Los Angeles
Massive Fire Burns At Oil Refinery In Carson
The flames are intensifying as the fire is consuming gallons of diesel

Natural Gas Leak Causes Explosion in LA - NBC Bay Area
Natural Gas Leak Causes Explosion in LA
"You could see the fire, it was like a tornado 10-feet high," a witness said.

Fire breaks out at southeast Texas petrochemicals terminal - Houston Chronicle
Fire breaks out at southeast Texas petrochemicals terminal

Trump supporters will say, 'oh this has happened before, it's normal'. NO, it is not normal. Prevention of these occurrences are precisely why we've had EPA regulations in the first place.
 
Exactly, and it will take years for all the ground water contamination to show up.

The right talks about pro life however they are willing to kill in the name of deregulation...
 
HumblePi said:
This is just the tip of the iceberg of environmental calamitous events we'll see more frequently in the future. EPA regulations have been cut to the bone and in some cases, complete eradication of EPA regulations throughout the country. Are we all really so naive to assume that reducing safety regulations wouldn't result in these tragic events?


Massive Fire Burns At Oil Refinery In Carson - CBS Los Angeles
Massive Fire Burns At Oil Refinery In Carson
The flames are intensifying as the fire is consuming gallons of diesel

Natural Gas Leak Causes Explosion in LA - NBC Bay Area
Natural Gas Leak Causes Explosion in LA
"You could see the fire, it was like a tornado 10-feet high," a witness said.

Fire breaks out at southeast Texas petrochemicals terminal - Houston Chronicle
Fire breaks out at southeast Texas petrochemicals terminal

Trump supporters will say, 'oh this has happened before, it's normal'. NO, it is not normal. Prevention of these occurrences are precisely why we've had EPA regulations in the first place.
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Not that I agree with the EPA regulations being cut, but where in the articles does it state the accidents are due to EPA regulations that were cut or reduced. At the height of EPA where regulations were considered strict we still had accidents.
 
HumblePi said:
This is just the tip of the iceberg of environmental calamitous events we'll see more frequently in the future. EPA regulations have been cut to the bone and in some cases, complete eradication of EPA regulations throughout the country. Are we all really so naive to assume that reducing safety regulations wouldn't result in these tragic events?


Massive Fire Burns At Oil Refinery In Carson - CBS Los Angeles
Massive Fire Burns At Oil Refinery In Carson
The flames are intensifying as the fire is consuming gallons of diesel

Natural Gas Leak Causes Explosion in LA - NBC Bay Area
Natural Gas Leak Causes Explosion in LA
"You could see the fire, it was like a tornado 10-feet high," a witness said.

Fire breaks out at southeast Texas petrochemicals terminal - Houston Chronicle
Fire breaks out at southeast Texas petrochemicals terminal

Trump supporters will say, 'oh this has happened before, it's normal'. NO, it is not normal. Prevention of these occurrences are precisely why we've had EPA regulations in the first place.
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You have absolutely no idea of which you write. These incidents are ALL governed by OSHA federal AND state. They are safety and process related. The only thing the EPA has control over is the emissions the plants make.
 
HumblePi said:
This is just the tip of the iceberg of environmental calamitous events we'll see more frequently in the future. EPA regulations have been cut to the bone and in some cases, complete eradication of EPA regulations throughout the country. Are we all really so naive to assume that reducing safety regulations wouldn't result in these tragic events?


Massive Fire Burns At Oil Refinery In Carson - CBS Los Angeles
Massive Fire Burns At Oil Refinery In Carson
The flames are intensifying as the fire is consuming gallons of diesel

Natural Gas Leak Causes Explosion in LA - NBC Bay Area
Natural Gas Leak Causes Explosion in LA
"You could see the fire, it was like a tornado 10-feet high," a witness said.

Fire breaks out at southeast Texas petrochemicals terminal - Houston Chronicle
Fire breaks out at southeast Texas petrochemicals terminal

Trump supporters will say, 'oh this has happened before, it's normal'. NO, it is not normal. Prevention of these occurrences are precisely why we've had EPA regulations in the first place.
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So then, we should just get EPA to make a regulation against wildfires and everything would be hunky-dorky in the woods, right?
 
HumblePi said:
This is just the tip of the iceberg of environmental calamitous events we'll see more frequently in the future. EPA regulations have been cut to the bone and in some cases, complete eradication of EPA regulations throughout the country. Are we all really so naive to assume that reducing safety regulations wouldn't result in these tragic events?


Massive Fire Burns At Oil Refinery In Carson - CBS Los Angeles
Massive Fire Burns At Oil Refinery In Carson
The flames are intensifying as the fire is consuming gallons of diesel

Natural Gas Leak Causes Explosion in LA - NBC Bay Area
Natural Gas Leak Causes Explosion in LA
"You could see the fire, it was like a tornado 10-feet high," a witness said.

Fire breaks out at southeast Texas petrochemicals terminal - Houston Chronicle
Fire breaks out at southeast Texas petrochemicals terminal

Trump supporters will say, 'oh this has happened before, it's normal'. NO, it is not normal. Prevention of these occurrences are precisely why we've had EPA regulations in the first place.
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"Tip of the iceberg." At the rate GOP-ers are going, there may well come a day in the foreseeable future when there won't be icebergs.

That notwithstanding, I think someone recently created a thread having to do with lowering the incidence of nuclear power plant inspections.
 
PirateMk1 said:
You have absolutely no idea of which you write. These incidents are ALL governed by OSHA federal AND state. They are safety and process related. The only thing the EPA has control over is the emissions the plants make.
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Nothing to add, just thought it deserved saying again.
 
HumblePi said:
This is just the tip of the iceberg of environmental calamitous events we'll see more frequently in the future. EPA regulations have been cut to the bone and in some cases, complete eradication of EPA regulations throughout the country. Are we all really so naive to assume that reducing safety regulations wouldn't result in these tragic events?


Massive Fire Burns At Oil Refinery In Carson - CBS Los Angeles
Massive Fire Burns At Oil Refinery In Carson
The flames are intensifying as the fire is consuming gallons of diesel

Natural Gas Leak Causes Explosion in LA - NBC Bay Area
Natural Gas Leak Causes Explosion in LA
"You could see the fire, it was like a tornado 10-feet high," a witness said.

Fire breaks out at southeast Texas petrochemicals terminal - Houston Chronicle
Fire breaks out at southeast Texas petrochemicals terminal

Trump supporters will say, 'oh this has happened before, it's normal'. NO, it is not normal. Prevention of these occurrences are precisely why we've had EPA regulations in the first place.
Click to expand...

This is OSHA business, not EPA.
 
Praxas said:
Not that I agree with the EPA regulations being cut, but where in the articles does it state the accidents are due to EPA regulations that were cut or reduced. At the height of EPA where regulations were considered strict we still had accidents.
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Do you seriously believe that anyone is going to directly blame catastrophes such as these on deregulation? Do you understand that the only reason the EPA regulations have been watered down is to put more money in the pockets of the wealthiest of the wealthy in exchange for the further contamination of our air, water and ground. These forces are outside of the control of anyone who gives a crap about our country's future or the safety and welfare of our own people. These forces are all controlled by the hand full of Americans and industrialists who are overflowing the Trump swamp. Any mistakes leading to failures of systems will never be blamed on the deregulation of safety measures. Whether people understand or not, the fact is that there was a hostile takeover of the EPA.

This is the legacy that Scott Pruitt left behind. Industries that have little if any standards they're forced to uphold. Repeals of the clean power plan and truck glider rules, modification of vehicle economy standards, and reconsideration of oil and gas sector emissions standards. All the things that big corporations had to adhere to were costing them money. Now, they're gone and the pathway has been neatly cleared for them. Someone saved 2.5 billion dollars last year through rollbacks of EPA regulations, it wasn't the American public, I can assure you of that.
 
Praxas said:
Not that I agree with the EPA regulations being cut, but where in the articles does it state the accidents are due to EPA regulations that were cut or reduced. At the height of EPA where regulations were considered strict we still had accidents.
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You're exactly right, and that's why you might find this article beneficial.


Updated OSHA agenda reflects Trump administration'''s focus on de-regulation | September 2017 | Safety+Health Magazine

Updated OSHA agenda reflects Trump administration's focus on de-regulation

[snip] As expected under the new administration, potential regulatory action from OSHA has been cut by more than half, according to the Department of Labor’s updated agenda released July 20.

The report, typically published twice a year, lists the statuses of and projected dates for all regulations. The updated agenda lists 14 OSHA regulations in three different stages – pre-rule, proposed rule and final rule – compared with 30 on the fall 2016 agenda.

Overall, 469 proposed federal regulations have been withdrawn and a combined 391 have been reclassified as “long-term” or “inactive” to allow for “further careful review.”[/snip]
 
maybe we can have a good old fashioned river fire again soon.
 
HumblePi said:
You're exactly right, and that's why you might find this article beneficial.


Updated OSHA agenda reflects Trump administration'''s focus on de-regulation | September 2017 | Safety+Health Magazine

Updated OSHA agenda reflects Trump administration's focus on de-regulation

[snip] As expected under the new administration, potential regulatory action from OSHA has been cut by more than half, according to the Department of Labor’s updated agenda released July 20.

The report, typically published twice a year, lists the statuses of and projected dates for all regulations. The updated agenda lists 14 OSHA regulations in three different stages – pre-rule, proposed rule and final rule – compared with 30 on the fall 2016 agenda.

Overall, 469 proposed federal regulations have been withdrawn and a combined 391 have been reclassified as “long-term” or “inactive” to allow for “further careful review.”[/snip]
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And every single one of those regulations was a matter of life and death to us and the environment, right?
 
Xelor said:
"Tip of the iceberg." At the rate GOP-ers are going, there may well come a day in the foreseeable future when there won't be icebergs.

That notwithstanding, I think someone recently created a thread having to do with lowering the incidence of nuclear power plant inspections.
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Some of the nuclear power plants in this country are 40 years old and have long ago needed repair. But repairing our nuclear infrastructure will take billions of dollars. This is money that's never going to be appropriated in the republican Senate. Our power grid is at high risk of failure and when that happens it's going to be disastrous.
 
Bullseye said:
And every single one of those regulations was a matter of life and death to us and the environment, right?
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It actually is a matter of life and death to the environment and ultimately anyone living on earth once that window closes where it could have been reversed.
 
HumblePi said:
It actually is a matter of life and death to the environment and ultimately anyone living on earth once that window closes where it could have been reversed.
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Wow, hyper-emotionalism at it's finest. :eek:
 
HumblePi said:
This is just the tip of the iceberg of environmental calamitous events we'll see more frequently in the future. EPA regulations have been cut to the bone and in some cases, complete eradication of EPA regulations throughout the country. Are we all really so naive to assume that reducing safety regulations wouldn't result in these tragic events?


Massive Fire Burns At Oil Refinery In Carson - CBS Los Angeles
Massive Fire Burns At Oil Refinery In Carson
The flames are intensifying as the fire is consuming gallons of diesel

Natural Gas Leak Causes Explosion in LA - NBC Bay Area
Natural Gas Leak Causes Explosion in LA
"You could see the fire, it was like a tornado 10-feet high," a witness said.

Fire breaks out at southeast Texas petrochemicals terminal - Houston Chronicle
Fire breaks out at southeast Texas petrochemicals terminal

Trump supporters will say, 'oh this has happened before, it's normal'. NO, it is not normal. Prevention of these occurrences are precisely why we've had EPA regulations in the first place.
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More likely due to ecoterrorism.
 
PirateMk1 said:
You have absolutely no idea of which you write. These incidents are ALL governed by OSHA federal AND state. They are safety and process related. The only thing the EPA has control over is the emissions the plants make.
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So true.

But the indoctrinated to the agenda will always be ignorant of fact.
 
HumblePi said:
This is just the tip of the iceberg of environmental calamitous events we'll see more frequently in the future. EPA regulations have been cut to the bone and in some cases, complete eradication of EPA regulations throughout the country. Are we all really so naive to assume that reducing safety regulations wouldn't result in these tragic events?


Massive Fire Burns At Oil Refinery In Carson - CBS Los Angeles
Massive Fire Burns At Oil Refinery In Carson
The flames are intensifying as the fire is consuming gallons of diesel

Natural Gas Leak Causes Explosion in LA - NBC Bay Area
Natural Gas Leak Causes Explosion in LA
"You could see the fire, it was like a tornado 10-feet high," a witness said.

Fire breaks out at southeast Texas petrochemicals terminal - Houston Chronicle
Fire breaks out at southeast Texas petrochemicals terminal

Trump supporters will say, 'oh this has happened before, it's normal'. NO, it is not normal. Prevention of these occurrences are precisely why we've had EPA regulations in the first place.
Click to expand...

You said that EPA regulations have been cut to the bone?

You prove it!

Besides........... these are incidents.

Wiki or Oxford the term incidents

You just can't fix stupid, but you surely can look up the difference.
 
HumblePi said:
This is just the tip of the iceberg of environmental calamitous events we'll see more frequently in the future. EPA regulations have been cut to the bone and in some cases, complete eradication of EPA regulations throughout the country. Are we all really so naive to assume that reducing safety regulations wouldn't result in these tragic events?


Massive Fire Burns At Oil Refinery In Carson - CBS Los Angeles
Massive Fire Burns At Oil Refinery In Carson
The flames are intensifying as the fire is consuming gallons of diesel

Natural Gas Leak Causes Explosion in LA - NBC Bay Area
Natural Gas Leak Causes Explosion in LA
"You could see the fire, it was like a tornado 10-feet high," a witness said.

Fire breaks out at southeast Texas petrochemicals terminal - Houston Chronicle
Fire breaks out at southeast Texas petrochemicals terminal

Trump supporters will say, 'oh this has happened before, it's normal'. NO, it is not normal. Prevention of these occurrences are precisely why we've had EPA regulations in the first place.
Click to expand...

:lamo The EPA never had anything to do with any of that. They are regulated and inspected by other agencies. So the OP message is just another TDS rant detached from reality.
 
The massive Deep Horizon oil spill in Gulf Of Mexico happened while Obama was president and it was entirely his fault since everything that happens while a person is president is the president's fault according to the OPer.

None of the incidents the OP states equals 1/10th of 1% that spill. That is how much Obama hates the environment. Good thing Obama is gone for the sake of the environment and public safety.
 
RetiredUSN said:
You said that EPA regulations have been cut to the bone?

You prove it!

Besides........... these are incidents.

Wiki or Oxford the term incidents

You just can't fix stupid, but you surely can look up the difference.
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For starters, Scott Pruitt Pruitt signed a formal proposal to repeal the Clean Power Plan last October, following an executive order from Trump requesting an EPA review. Pruitt had stated that the plan places unnecessary regulations on the U.S. energy sector and slows domestic energy development. The repeal of certain regulations under the plan, such as carbon pollution guidelines for existing stationary sources, is currently going through an open public comment period.

Pruitt also change the fuel emissions standards for cars and light duty trucks that are slated to take effect between 2022 and 2025. The new standards, which were put in place under Obama, passenger cars would be required to get an average of 54.5 miles-per-gallon by 2025.

When Scott Pruitt took over, the EPA approved at least 24 regulatory rollbacks. Under Pruitt’s watch, the EPA received a $2.6 billion, or 30 percent, cut to its 2017 enacted budget, bringing it to $5.65 billion for the 2018 fiscal year, the lowest EPA budget since 1990.

Pruitt ordered a delay of a new regulation on methane leaks for two years. However, a month later, judges vacated the delay and found Pruitt’s order in violation of the Clean Air Act. (he tried anyway) Pruitt denied a petition from the Natural Resources Defense Council and the Pesticide Action Network North America calling for a ban of the pesticide chlorpyrifos. The decision came despite a finding by EPA scientists that there is no safe level of exposure to the substance. Pruitt suspended the Clean Water Rule for two years.

Pruitt tried delaying the designation of areas that met the National Ambient Air Quality Standards for ozone. In response, 16 state attorneys general sued Pruitt, leading him to reverse the decision.

Methane: Last June, Pruitt ordered a delay of a new regulation on methane leaks for two years. However, a month later, judges vacated the delay and found Pruitt’s order in violation of the Clean Air Act.
 
HumblePi said:
For starters, Scott Pruitt Pruitt signed a formal proposal to repeal the Clean Power Plan last October, following an executive order from Trump requesting an EPA review. Pruitt had stated that the plan places unnecessary regulations on the U.S. energy sector and slows domestic energy development. The repeal of certain regulations under the plan, such as carbon pollution guidelines for existing stationary sources, is currently going through an open public comment period.

Pruitt also change the fuel emissions standards for cars and light duty trucks that are slated to take effect between 2022 and 2025. The new standards, which were put in place under Obama, passenger cars would be required to get an average of 54.5 miles-per-gallon by 2025.

When Scott Pruitt took over, the EPA approved at least 24 regulatory rollbacks. Under Pruitt’s watch, the EPA received a $2.6 billion, or 30 percent, cut to its 2017 enacted budget, bringing it to $5.65 billion for the 2018 fiscal year, the lowest EPA budget since 1990.

Pruitt ordered a delay of a new regulation on methane leaks for two years. However, a month later, judges vacated the delay and found Pruitt’s order in violation of the Clean Air Act. (he tried anyway) Pruitt denied a petition from the Natural Resources Defense Council and the Pesticide Action Network North America calling for a ban of the pesticide chlorpyrifos. The decision came despite a finding by EPA scientists that there is no safe level of exposure to the substance. Pruitt suspended the Clean Water Rule for two years.

Pruitt tried delaying the designation of areas that met the National Ambient Air Quality Standards for ozone. In response, 16 state attorneys general sued Pruitt, leading him to reverse the decision.

Methane: Last June, Pruitt ordered a delay of a new regulation on methane leaks for two years. However, a month later, judges vacated the delay and found Pruitt’s order in violation of the Clean Air Act.
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Drive in a matchbox if that makes you feel better about yourself.

I still do not see where you have proven the EPA has been cut to the bones.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Drive in a matchbox if that makes you feel better about yourself.

I still do not see where you have proven the EPA has been cut to the bones.
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They just regurgitate what some pundit told them. That they don't realize, is that once a bureaucracy is created, the nature of it is to expand. The EPA has been too fat for too long. It needs to be trimmed back to its original intent.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Drive in a matchbox if that makes you feel better about yourself.

I still do not see where you have proven the EPA has been cut to the bones.
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  •  Requirement for oil and gas companies to report methane emissions leaks
  • Policy that limits toxic emissions from industrial facilities
  • Rule that restricts the use of hydrofluorocarbons as replacements for ozone-depleting compounds
  • Proposed repeal of Clean Power Plan, which would have imposed the first carbon dioxide limits on power plants. A replacement plan has been proposed
  • Reviewing standards for limiting carbon dioxide emissions from new, modified, and reconstructed power plants
  • Reviewing missions rules for power plant startups, shutdowns, and malfunctions
  • Revised rules to allow methane leaks to go unrepaired during unscheduled or emergency shutdowns at oil and gas facilities and control guidelines on volatile organic compound emissions from oil and gas operations
  • Paused rules aimed at cutting landfill methane emissions
  • Reviewing permitting programs for air-polluting plants
  •  Updating rule that would reduce air pollution in national parks and wilderness areas
  •  Proposed changes to rules about how refineries monitor pollution in surrounding communities
  • Changes to fuel economy standards for cars and light trucks made between 2020 and 2026 have been introduced
  • Proposed repeal of portions of greenhouse gas limits for trucks
  • Repealed and working to replace Waters of the U.S., also known as WOTUS, which clarifies what waters are covered by the Clean Water Act
  • Delayed rule regulating toxic discharges from power plants into public waterways by two years
  • Proposed rule rolling back groundwater protections for certain uranium mines
  • Proposed removing programs that limit children’s exposure to lead paint
  • Proposed changes to rule aimed at improving safety at facilities that use hazardous chemicals
  • Proposed limiting the studies used by the EPA for rulemaking to only those that make data publicly available
  • Changing the way cost-benefit analyses are conducted under the Clean Air Act and Clean Water Act, among other environmental regulations
 
HumblePi said:
  •  Requirement for oil and gas companies to report methane emissions leaks
  • Policy that limits toxic emissions from industrial facilities
  • Rule that restricts the use of hydrofluorocarbons as replacements for ozone-depleting compounds
  • Proposed repeal of Clean Power Plan, which would have imposed the first carbon dioxide limits on power plants. A replacement plan has been proposed
  • Reviewing standards for limiting carbon dioxide emissions from new, modified, and reconstructed power plants
  • Reviewing missions rules for power plant startups, shutdowns, and malfunctions
  • Revised rules to allow methane leaks to go unrepaired during unscheduled or emergency shutdowns at oil and gas facilities and control guidelines on volatile organic compound emissions from oil and gas operations
  • Paused rules aimed at cutting landfill methane emissions
  • Reviewing permitting programs for air-polluting plants
  •  Updating rule that would reduce air pollution in national parks and wilderness areas
  •  Proposed changes to rules about how refineries monitor pollution in surrounding communities
  • Changes to fuel economy standards for cars and light trucks made between 2020 and 2026 have been introduced
  • Proposed repeal of portions of greenhouse gas limits for trucks
  • Repealed and working to replace Waters of the U.S., also known as WOTUS, which clarifies what waters are covered by the Clean Water Act
  • Delayed rule regulating toxic discharges from power plants into public waterways by two years
  • Proposed rule rolling back groundwater protections for certain uranium mines
  • Proposed removing programs that limit children’s exposure to lead paint
  • Proposed changes to rule aimed at improving safety at facilities that use hazardous chemicals
  • Proposed limiting the studies used by the EPA for rulemaking to only those that make data publicly available
  • Changing the way cost-benefit analyses are conducted under the Clean Air Act and Clean Water Act, among other environmental regulations
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Nice cut & paste job, but you aren't going into the nuts and bolts of anything.

The EPA isn't going any wheres and the agency can still shut you down at the point of a gun.
 
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