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The Global Warming Fraud

tecoyah said:
Okay..I feel much better now.
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If you choose to live in fear, that is on you, but seldom helps anything.
learn to read beyond the headlines.
 
tecoyah said:
Record-High Floods in Nebraska Breach Levees and Isolate Towns - The New York Times
...Yup...
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So you have gone away from the South Carolina swamp town and now want to talk about a completely different thing, not sea levels at all. OK, one down.

Are you claiming that there has been an increase in frequency of unusual heavy rain fall since some point in time? If so can you cite the records, the data, to support this?

Would you expect that there would not be records being broken all the time? This can be the result of normal variability of weather patterns.
 
tecoyah said:
It is unfortunate that you decide to make this personal but not unexpected. You know full well the complexity of you request and also know the simplicity your repose will entail.

Me: Burning fossil fuels, such as coal and gas, account for most of the world’s global warming pollution. Some say we have harmed the planet sufficiently that there is no going back.
We are already seeing some of the effects—droughts, floods and storms. Climate change is here and now, and they are only going to get worse. Poor communities, especially in developing nations, suffer the most.

You: Nuh Uh.

Me: Ocean Albedo and increased atmospheric heating as well as sifting jet stream and deep water currents will change continental weather systems.

You: Nuh Uh.

Me: Even methane release is now a problem.

You: Nuh Uh...that's CGI
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You: We must spend vast amounts of money to avoid doooooommmm!!!!!!!

Me: What is the problem?

You: Denier of science!!!! Heretic!!!!!

Me: No, look, if you show me what the science says is bad I will change my view that there is no real problem. What is going to be the biggest trouble in the worst effected place do you think?

You: Impossible question to answer.

Me: It does not have to be the worst but just some, any, place that you think is likely to have a bad thing happen due to global warming. Where would you say will have any trouble?

You: Denier of science!!!!


I think every body else can see why I am not convinced of your arguments.
 
tecoyah said:
...Even methane release is now a problem.
You Tube Hunting for methane with Katey Walter Anthony

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So I watched your You Tube, Professor Katey Walter Anthony tells us why methane
bubbles under the ice are due to permafrost melting blah blah blah. What she
doesn't tell us or doesn't know is that methane, you know, swamp gas, bubbles
up everywhere all the time. Anywhere there is anaerobic respiration you get
methane. Besides that in 1850 you could have run the same demonstration. And
of course she tells us the usual claptrap that methane is 25 times stronger than
CO2. She says that methane is formed in millions of lakes around the Arctic and
omits the fact ithat it's formed in lakes everywhere. Let's see she says at the end:

We estimate that more than ten times the amount of methane that's
right now in in the atmosphere will come out of these lakes.​
No time frame and she omits the fact that methane has a short resident time. The
National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration NOAA monitors methane in
the atmosphere. It's increaseing 6.3 parts per billion [ppb] since measurements
began in 1984. If you plot out the table data from that NOAA page and construct
a trend line,it turns out to be a negative -0.15 ppb/yr. Hmm, 6.3/0.15=42. Does
that mean in 42 years the annual rate of increase in atmospheric methane will be
zero?
 
Tim the plumber said:
You: We must spend vast amounts of money to avoid doooooommmm!!!!!!!

Me: What is the problem?

You: Denier of science!!!! Heretic!!!!!

Me: No, look, if you show me what the science says is bad I will change my view that there is no real problem. What is going to be the biggest trouble in the worst effected place do you think?

You: Impossible question to answer.

Me: It does not have to be the worst but just some, any, place that you think is likely to have a bad thing happen due to global warming. Where would you say will have any trouble?

You: Denier of science!!!!


I think every body else can see why I am not convinced of your arguments.
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I have no intent or reason to convince or hope for you to believe anything...truthfully I don't really care. The beauty being that if you are correct then there is nothing to be concerned about and If I am then there is nothing we can do anyway, so who cares regardless. All I can do I have done by moving to a location least likely to be impacted and I will die before it gets bad no matter what....as for trying to live my life fighting the inevitable, that would be rather stupid. You believe and live as you think best and I will do the same.

It does not really matter in the long run.
 
tecoyah said:
I highly recommend you ignore climate change as long as possible. With any luck you are old enough to avoid the inevitable and die happy ….if not then so what, just do not have kids.
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LOL...

What came to mind when I started reading your words, was stop worrying about it because the added stress in life will be more unhealthy than the minor changes them self.
 
MrWonderful said:
“Valid criticism does you a favor.” – Carl Sagan, Demon Haunted World, p 32

“Truth never lost ground by enquiry.” – WILLIAM PENN, Some Fruits of Solitude

“Men only care for science so far as they get a living by it, and that they worship even error when it affords them a subsistence.” — Goethe, from Conversations of Goethe with Eckermann and Soret
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I snipped off the rest.

LOL....

I like this from one of the links, and believe it to be spot on:

Dr Tim Ball (above, right) is expected to instruct his British Columbia attorneys to trigger mandatory punitive court sanctions, including a ruling that Mann did act with criminal intent when using public funds to commit climate data fraud.​
 
Lord of Planar said:
I snipped off the rest.

LOL....

I like this from one of the links, and believe it to be spot on:

Dr Tim Ball (above, right) is expected to instruct his British Columbia attorneys to trigger mandatory punitive court sanctions, including a ruling that Mann did act with criminal intent when using public funds to commit climate data fraud.​
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Makes a great tag line:
 
tecoyah said:
I have no intent or reason to convince or hope for you to believe anything...truthfully I don't really care. The beauty being that if you are correct then there is nothing to be concerned about and If I am then there is nothing we can do anyway, so who cares regardless. All I can do I have done by moving to a location least likely to be impacted and I will die before it gets bad no matter what....as for trying to live my life fighting the inevitable, that would be rather stupid. You believe and live as you think best and I will do the same.

It does not really matter in the long run.
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That retreat is somewhat weak.

There is a moral responsibility on all of us who live in democracies to understand the serious issues of the world and choose what we would like to see done about them.

Today a vast amount of food is being diverted into biofuel. This is causing about 20 million deaths per year that would not be happening without this.

The biofuel policy is a disguised subsidy to the agribusiness industry. It has about doubled the price of food. When you defend the CAGW argument and display that you have no clue about it, just repeating the hype you have no idea about, you take on a level of responsibility for this. Are you happy with this? Or would you prefer to have some level of confidence that your position s reasonable and not the product of hype pumped out by traitors to humanity (there are a surprising lot of them).
 
Tim the plumber said:
That retreat is somewhat weak.

There is a moral responsibility on all of us who live in democracies to understand the serious issues of the world and choose what we would like to see done about them.

Today a vast amount of food is being diverted into biofuel. This is causing about 20 million deaths per year that would not be happening without this.

The biofuel policy is a disguised subsidy to the agribusiness industry. It has about doubled the price of food. When you defend the CAGW argument and display that you have no clue about it, just repeating the hype you have no idea about, you take on a level of responsibility for this. Are you happy with this? Or would you prefer to have some level of confidence that your position s reasonable and not the product of hype pumped out by traitors to humanity (there are a surprising lot of them).
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I have been researching this issue for decades and watched the progression. I have lobbied for change and experienced the results. I have noted various changes over time in regional weather patterns and the correlation to global climate fluctuations. I have reached the conclusion that the people and governments of the world are incapable of coming together on anything, let alone something as vague as climate change. Basically....I have decided to no longer care and just enjoy life...you should too.
 
tecoyah said:
I have been researching this issue for decades and watched the progression. I have lobbied for change and experienced the results. I have noted various changes over time in regional weather patterns and the correlation to global climate fluctuations. I have reached the conclusion that the people and governments of the world are incapable of coming together on anything, let alone something as vague as climate change. Basically....I have decided to no longer care and just enjoy life...you should too.
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What weather patterns have you noticed change that has not shown up in any of the data?
 
tecoyah said:
I have been researching this issue for decades and watched the progression. I have lobbied for change and experienced the results. I have noted various changes over time in regional weather patterns and the correlation to global climate fluctuations. I have reached the conclusion that the people and governments of the world are incapable of coming together on anything, let alone something as vague as climate change. Basically....I have decided to no longer care and just enjoy life...you should too.
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:::: gasp:::: EcoHypocrites' Heresy! Tens of millions of screaming meemies around the globe pant for "action now!" to the tune of trillions of dollars.

They continue to harass, to spend, to heckle and scream obscenities and accuse everyone who disagrees with them of being stupid and polluting the earth. They they take their ecotours and feel sanctimonious.
 
tecoyah said:
I have been researching this issue for decades and watched the progression. I have lobbied for change and experienced the results. I have noted various changes over time in regional weather patterns and the correlation to global climate fluctuations. I have reached the conclusion that the people and governments of the world are incapable of coming together on anything, let alone something as vague as climate change. Basically....I have decided to no longer care and just enjoy life...you should too.
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Tim the plumber said:
What weather patterns have you noticed change that has not shown up in any of the data?
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No kidding. Good question.

I haven't seen any weather patterns change outside of their normal cyclical patterns, anywhere on the planet.
 
Lord of Planar said:
I snipped off the rest.

LOL....

I like this from one of the links, and believe it to be spot on:

Dr Tim Ball (above, right) is expected to instruct his British Columbia attorneys to trigger mandatory punitive court sanctions, including a ruling that Mann did act with criminal intent when using public funds to commit climate data fraud.​
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And you gulliby accept it as if it's true because it's what you want to hear. It's complete rubbish from a conspiracy/pseudoscience blog run by a small group of nutters who don't even accept that the earth's natural 'greenhouse' effect' exists.
 
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Quaestio said:
And you gulliby accept it as if it's true because it's what you want to hear. It's complete rubbish from a conspiracy/pseudoscience blog run by a small group of nutters who don't even accept that the earth's natural 'greenhouse' effect' exists.
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I simply believe Mann is a scientists that committed fraud for the money.
 
Quaestio said:
And you gulliby (sic) accept it as if it's true because it's what you want to hear. It's complete rubbish from a conspiracy/pseudoscience blog run by a small group of nutters who don't even accept that the earth's natural 'greenhouse' effect' exists.
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Calling those who present scientific information you dislike "nutters" and describing everything they say as "conspiracy/pseudoscience" is so intellectual and rational of you.

My highest compliments. There is no need to address the salient remarks of such people as, oh, a Nobel Laureate in Physics who says it's a fraud and a hoax. Just call him and everyone else petty and hateful names and you're through! That's the liberal/Left wing way, everywhere one looks.
 
Lord of Planar said:
I simply believe Mann is a scientists that committed fraud for the money.
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Of course you do. You believe in evidence-free conspiracy theories you read on conspiracy blogs and conservative tabloids etc.
 
MrWonderful said:
Calling those who present scientific information you dislike "nutters" and describing everything they say as "conspiracy/pseudoscience" is so intellectual and rational of you.

My highest compliments. There is no need to address the salient remarks of such people as, oh, a Nobel Laureate in Physics who says it's a fraud and a hoax. Just call him and everyone else petty and hateful names and you're through! That's the liberal/Left wing way, everywhere one looks.
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It's not 'scientific' information. Or do you think the world's natural 'greenhouse' effect doesn't even exist either? It's equivalent to claiming the earth is less than 10,000 years old. Or that it's flat. That's why the small group of nutters from Principia Scientifica International are ....nutters.

So you have one old retired pet physicist, whose field has nothing to do with climate science, who spent half a day 'researching' on Google and calls global warming a 'fraud and a hoax'. Which is basically name-calling tens of thousands of scientists corrupt fraudsters and completely ignoring the strong consilience of evidence from many different lines of investigation from many different fields of science.

And you don't think you have a problem with reality or conspiracy ideation? riggght....
 
Quaestio said:
It's not 'scientific' information. Or do you think the world's natural 'greenhouse' effect doesn't even exist either? It's equivalent to claiming the earth is less than 10,000 years old. Or that it's flat. That's why the small group of nutters from Principia Scientifica International are ....nutters.

So you have one old retired pet physicist, whose field has nothing to do with climate science, who spent half a day 'researching' on Google and calls global warming a 'fraud and a hoax'. Which is basically name-calling tens of thousands of scientists corrupt fraudsters and completely ignoring the strong consilience of evidence from many different lines of investigation from many different fields of science.

And you don't think you have a problem with reality or conspiracy ideation? riggght....
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Henrik Svensmark: Force Majeure – The Sun’s Role In Climate Change (PDF)
 
Quaestio said:
Yep. it's a Yuge WORLDWIDE CONSPIRACY!!!!!
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The same kind of conspiracy that makes millions of people go to work every day to earn a paycheck.
 
Quaestio said:
It's not 'scientific' information. Or do you think the world's natural 'greenhouse' effect doesn't even exist either? It's equivalent to claiming the earth is less than 10,000 years old. Or that it's flat. That's why the small group of nutters from Principia Scientifica International are ....nutters.

So you have one old retired pet physicist, whose field has nothing to do with climate science, who spent half a day 'researching' on Google and calls global warming a 'fraud and a hoax'. Which is basically name-calling tens of thousands of scientists corrupt fraudsters and completely ignoring the strong consilience of evidence from many different lines of investigation from many different fields of science.

And you don't think you have a problem with reality or conspiracy ideation? riggght....
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Who says the greenhouse effect doesn't even exists?
The greenhouse effect exists, it is simply not a concern!
The currently accepted number for 2XCO2 forcing is 3.71 Wm-2 or warming of ~1.1 C.
You can say that only old retired pet physicist, whose field has nothing to do with climate science are the ones saying that the IPCC's numbers are off,
but you would be wrong.
http://www-eaps.mit.edu/faculty/lindzen/236-Lindzen-Choi-2011.pdf
Richard Lindzen was doing climate studies at Harvard and MIT before this whole AGW alarm was raised.
Judith Curry almost as long, these are not old retired physicist, whose field has nothing to do with climate science.
they worked their entire careers as climate scientist.
 
Quaestio said:
Of course you do. You believe in evidence-free conspiracy theories you read on conspiracy blogs and conservative tabloids etc.
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Evidence abounds. You simply ignore it. That's the Leftist way. Anti-science. You think men can become women, women can become men, murdering innocent unborn babies is just fine, and protecting America from ILLEGAL immigrants is "racist" when proposed by President Trump. But when Obama said the same thing, when Bill Clinton said the same thing, when Hillary The Hateful said the same thing, when Chuck Schumer said the same thing, it was JUST FINE, wasn't it.
 
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