Climate strikes spread worldwide as students call for action

Bergslagstroll · Mar 24, 2019

Many places continues to have climate events every friday. There will also be a new big global climate event May 24.

Map - FridaysForFuture

longview · Mar 24, 2019

Media_Truth said:
The renewables customers are not responsible to fund the Utility CEO's bonus pay.

We are not talking about the CEO's bonus pay , but the wages, of all the employees, the supplies to maintain the grid, the trucks to repair the grid, ect...
To remove the gross profit, means the utility cannot sustain operation.

Media_Truth · Mar 25, 2019

longview said:
We are not talking about the CEO's bonus pay , but the wages, of all the employees, the supplies to maintain the grid, the trucks to repair the grid, ect...
To remove the gross profit, means the utility cannot sustain operation.

Next thing you'll be asking for Renewable customers to go to these facilities and start turning a wrench.

longview · Mar 25, 2019

Media_Truth said:
Next thing you'll be asking for Renewable customers to go to these facilities and start turning a wrench.

I am only asking for an financial environment, where both the solar homeowner and the electrical utility can both survive.
Even California has recognized that 1:1 net metering is untenable.
2019 Net Metering in California: NEM 2.0 Explained | EnergySage

Non-bypassable charges (NBCs) are per-kilowatt hour charges that are built into utility electric rates.
They add up to approximately 2-3 cents per kWh and go towards funding energy efficiency, low-income customer assistance, and other related programs.

I think we will have to see if the 2-3 cents per kWh, is enough to pay for grid maintenance?

marke · Mar 25, 2019

Bergslagstroll said:
US have greater opportunity not only to reduce C02 emission but also save money trough for example energy efficiency measure. Because US C02 emissions, energy use and electric power consumption per capita is more than double that of many other developed countries.

List of countries by carbon dioxide emissions per capita - Wikipedia

List of countries by energy consumption per capita - Wikipedia

Electric power consumption (kWh per capita) | Data

US is also one of world's most innovative and biggest economy so American investments can have a huge impact then it comes to technological development and economy of scale of renewables and other technologies.

Also having countries, communinities, corporation and individuals leading the way in investing in renewables have drastically reduced the cost of renewables. So that renewables are starting to outcompete fossil fuels.

“A new report reveals 42% of global coal capacity is currently unprofitable, and the United States could save $78 billion by closing coal-fired power plants in line with the Paris Climate Accord’s climate goals. This industry-disrupting trend comes down to dollars and cents, as the cost of renewable energy dips below fossil fuel generation.

Across the U.S., renewable energy is beating coal on cost: The price to build new wind and solar has fallen below the cost of running existing coal-fired power plants in Red and Blue states. For example, Colorado’s Xcel will retire 660 megawatts (MW) of coal capacity ahead of schedule in favor of renewable sources and battery storage, and reduce costs in the process. Midwestern utility MidAmerican will be the first utility to reach 100% renewable energy by 2020 without increasing customer rates, and Indiana’s NIPSCO will replace 1.8 gigawatts (GW) of coal with wind and solar.”

Plunging Prices Mean Building New Renewable Energy Is Cheaper Than Running Existing Coal

All the positive fresh new green deal feel good socialist hype is not giving us the true picture of the huge costs and problems associated with green energy. Americans are being taken for the proverbial "ride" by big government socialist crappy green energy car salesmen. Georgetown, Texas was one of the first cities in the nation to force its local economy to convert to green energy. Now they have serious buyer's remorse.

Why Georgetown's green energy gamble didn't pay off Why Georgetown's green energy gamble didn't pay off - News - Austin American-Statesman - Austin, TX

Media_Truth · Mar 25, 2019

longview said:
I am only asking for an financial environment, where both the solar homeowner and the electrical utility can both survive.
Even California has recognized that 1:1 net metering is untenable.
2019 Net Metering in California: NEM 2.0 Explained | EnergySage

I think we will have to see if the 2-3 cents per kWh, is enough to pay for grid maintenance?

Your excerpt from the article is not related to Netmetering, but a surcharge for all customers. It's good to see that they added this surcharge to Usage, and not to the Fixed Rate. That way, the large trophy home owners, with mega-electricity-usage pay more.

Media_Truth · Mar 25, 2019

marke said:
All the positive fresh new green deal feel good socialist hype is not giving us the true picture of the huge costs and problems associated with green energy. Americans are being taken for the proverbial "ride" by big government socialist crappy green energy car salesmen. Georgetown, Texas was one of the first cities in the nation to force its local economy to convert to green energy. Now they have serious buyer's remorse.

Why Georgetown's green energy gamble didn't pay off Why Georgetown's green energy gamble didn't pay off - News - Austin American-Statesman - Austin, TX

Most homeowners are willing to pay more for green energy. Georgetown withstanding, the state of Texas has a Wind-First energy policy, and they boast some of the lowest Electricity rates in the nation.

longview · Mar 25, 2019

Media_Truth said:
Your excerpt from the article is not related to Netmetering, but a surcharge for all customers. It's good to see that they added this surcharge to Usage, and not to the Fixed Rate. That way, the large trophy home owners, with mega-electricity-usage pay more.

But you understand that even the environmental nutters realize that 1:1 net metering in untenable?
The utility cannot give a retail value credit to solar customers, and expect to stay in business.

longview · Mar 25, 2019

Media_Truth said:
Most homeowners are willing to pay more for green energy. Georgetown withstanding, the state of Texas has a Wind-First energy policy, and they boast some of the lowest Electricity rates in the nation.

No most homeowners will not pay more for green energy, and it is that type of thinking
that will delay more wide spread adoption.
For green energy to be viable, it has to naturally be the lowest cost option, or at very least equal cost.

Media_Truth · Mar 25, 2019

longview said:
No most homeowners will not pay more for green energy, and it is that type of thinking
that will delay more wide spread adoption.
For green energy to be viable, it has to naturally be the lowest cost option, or at very least equal cost.

No link, no data - as usual. Do you honestly believe that 47 states would have "Green Options" if it wasn't viable?

https://spotforcleanenergy.org/policy/utility-green-power-option/

25 years ago only a few utilities offered customers the opportunity to voluntarily purchase “green power” from renewable energy sources such as wind and solar. Today, utilities across 47 states offer green power and some states have since required utilities to offer this option though often customers must pay a premium over that of prevailing rates to purchase green power, some communities offer green power packages at a cost savings. For more information on the components of the policy see the full policy brief.

Media_Truth · Mar 25, 2019

longview said:
But you understand that even the environmental nutters realize that 1:1 net metering in untenable?
The utility cannot give a retail value credit to solar customers, and expect to stay in business.

The Utility has many, many options to "stay in business". You should study Economics.

marke · Mar 26, 2019

Media_Truth said:
Most homeowners are willing to pay more for green energy. Georgetown withstanding, the state of Texas has a Wind-First energy policy, and they boast some of the lowest Electricity rates in the nation.

Like a very bad used car salesman, green energy salesmen keep promoting the faulty global warming narrative in hopes of selling more of their crappy green energy products and ideas.

longview · Mar 26, 2019

Media_Truth said:
No link, no data - as usual. Do you honestly believe that 47 states would have "Green Options" if it wasn't viable?

https://spotforcleanenergy.org/policy/utility-green-power-option/

25 years ago only a few utilities offered customers the opportunity to voluntarily purchase “green power” from renewable energy sources such as wind and solar. Today, utilities across 47 states offer green power and some states have since required utilities to offer this option though often customers must pay a premium over that of prevailing rates to purchase green power, some communities offer green power packages at a cost savings. For more information on the components of the policy see the full policy brief.

I am not saying states do not have the option, but most people will choose the provider based on price.
Consider this, you cited that 47 states now have a green option, yet according to the EIA,
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/?page=us_energy_home
only 11% of energy consumed is from renewable sources, which tells me that most people are not choosing
that green power option. The why is cost, in most cases those options cost more.
If the green options were also the lowest costs options, it would be difficult to supply the demand.
I wonder how much of this comes back to people who want to ware their Environmental consciousness
button on the shirt, being willing to pay more for a commodity, thus keeping the price artificially high?

longview · Mar 26, 2019

Media_Truth said:
The Utility has many, many options to "stay in business". You should study Economics.

Economics, an electrical utility, buys or produces electricity, that they then sell at a markup.
The difference between the cost of each unit and the retail price of each unit is the gross profit.
From the gross profit, everything is paid to sustain operations.
1:1 net metering lowers gross profit, by requiring the utility to pay the retail price for some of the units it buys.
If the required number gets too high, there will be ZERO gross profit!
It is really no more complicated than that !

Lord of Planar · Mar 26, 2019

longview said:
I am not saying states do not have the option, but most people will choose the provider based on price.
Consider this, you cited that 47 states now have a green option, yet according to the EIA,
U.S. Energy Facts - Energy Explained, Your Guide To Understanding Energy - Energy Information Administration
only 11% of energy consumed is from renewable sources, which tells me that most people are not choosing
that green power option. The why is cost, in most cases those options cost more.
If the green options were also the lowest costs options, it would be difficult to supply the demand.
I wonder how much of this comes back to people who want to ware their Environmental consciousness
button on the shirt, being willing to pay more for a commodity, thus keeping the price artificially high?

I laugh at the green option in my state and don't pay more for it. We already have most our power as hydro-power. I'm not paying extra for wind, which I believe is too expensive.

Media_Truth · Mar 26, 2019

Lord of Planar said:
I laugh at the green option in my state and don't pay more for it. We already have most our power as hydro-power. I'm not paying extra for wind, which I believe is too expensive.

Being a PV owner, I really didn't want to take the time to look this up. But since the two of you refused to provice links, I thought I'd do it. Bottom line, in the US, 32% are willing to pay more for "green" electricity. The numbers were based on an amount of less than 5% more, less than 10% more, and greater than 10%. As expected, the numbers go down as the percentage-increase-in-monthly-bill goes up.

Consumers Want Green Energy From the Utility if the Price Is Right | Greentech Media

longview · Mar 26, 2019

Media_Truth said:
Being a PV owner, I really didn't want to take the time to look this up. But since the two of you refused to provice links, I thought I'd do it. Bottom line, in the US, 32% are willing to pay more for "green" electricity. The numbers were based on an amount of less than 5% more, less than 10% more, and greater than 10%. As expected, the numbers go down as the percentage-increase-in-monthly-bill goes up.

Consumers Want Green Energy From the Utility if the Price Is Right | Greentech Media

Your article supports what I was saying, that people will choose based on price.

Clearly, the key barrier to broader utility green power sales lies in the cost of that power.
While a majority of people in all markets are willing to switch to renewables in theory,
most countries have only a minority willing to pay anything extra for the privilege. And of that minority,
most aren’t willing to pay more than 5 percent more per month for it.

5% in the US is like $.005/kwh, so not one whole penny higher.

Media_Truth · Mar 26, 2019

longview said:
Your article supports what I was saying, that people will choose based on price.

5% in the US is like $.005/kwh, so not one whole penny higher.

If the price is 11 cents per KWH, 1/2 cent is almost a 5% increase in someone's bill. For illustration purposes, if one is paying an average of $100 per month, that equates to $60 per year.

Put it this way, I'm not going to say you're wrong, but I'm also not going to say I'm wrong.

Lord of Planar · Mar 26, 2019

Media_Truth said:
If the price is 11 cents per KWH, 1/2 cent is almost a 5% increase in someone's bill. For illustration purposes, if one is paying an average of $100 per month, that equates to $60 per year.

Put it this way, I'm not going to say you're wrong, but I'm also not going to say I'm wrong.

How many people only pay $100/mo?

longview · Mar 26, 2019

Media_Truth said:
If the price is 11 cents per KWH, 1/2 cent is almost a 5% increase in someone's bill. For illustration purposes, if one is paying an average of $100 per month, that equates to $60 per year.

Put it this way, I'm not going to say you're wrong, but I'm also not going to say I'm wrong.

Your article was the one that said "most aren’t willing to pay more than 5 percent more per month for it."

Lord of Planar · Mar 26, 2019

longview said:
Your article was the one that said "most aren’t willing to pay more than 5 percent more per month for it."

Green costs for my area are around 10% more.

longview · Mar 26, 2019

Lord of Planar said:
Green costs for my area are around 10% more.

It looks like in Texas it can run between 50 and 80% higher.
Gexa has a locked 12 month rate at $.079/kwh,
while Green Mountain has a 12 month locked rate at $.142/kwh.( ouch)

Media_Truth · Mar 26, 2019

longview said:
Your article was the one that said "most aren’t willing to pay more than 5 percent more per month for it."

I think 32% is a pretty respectable number. It show that people do care - just the fact that they'd pay anything extra...

longview · Mar 27, 2019

Media_Truth said:
I think 32% is a pretty respectable number. It show that people do care - just the fact that they'd pay anything extra...

I think that number is misleading, if 32% of electrical customers were willing to pay higher prices for green electricity,
then the number of people buying green electricity would be around 32%.
The question is if solar and wind are so cheap, why do the utilities charge more for those kwh?

Lord of Planar · Mar 27, 2019

longview said:
I think that number is misleading, if 32% of electrical customers were willing to pay higher prices for green electricity,
then the number of people buying green electricity would be around 32%.
The question is if solar and wind are so cheap, why do the utilities charge more for those kwh?

Also, a poll doesn't reflect reality. How many people say they will do something because it sounds good, but then never acts upon it?