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Media_Truth said:
Many have stopped our dependence on fossil fuels. Mine is down over 90 percent.
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I applaud your efforts, but you likely had to make some lifestyle adjustments.
If you were truly off the grid, your system would be much more expensive and with higher maintenance cost.
We are getting closer, but again most people will be required to continue to buy hydrocarbon based energy.
 
longview said:
I applaud your efforts, but you likely had to make some lifestyle adjustments.
If you were truly off the grid, your system would be much more expensive and with higher maintenance cost.
We are getting closer, but again most people will be required to continue to buy hydrocarbon based energy.
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I'm not "off the grid". Where'd you get that idea? Solar panels have virtually ZERO maintenance. Perhaps you should start speaking from actual experience, instead of the Right Wing garbage that you read.

You speak as if you're open to the idea of renewables, but from your posts, you are the exact opposite. And deniers, by their very definition, could care less - and they attempt to make others careless.
 
Media_Truth said:
I'm not "off the grid". Where'd you get that idea? Solar panels have virtually ZERO maintenance. Perhaps you should start speaking from actual experience, instead of the Right Wing garbage that you read.

You speak as if you're open to the idea of renewables, but from your posts, you are the exact opposite. And deniers, by their very definition, could care less - and they attempt to make others careless.
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I did not say you were off the grid! I said "If you were truly off the grid, your system would be much more expensive and with higher maintenance cost."
I like the idea of solar, but we have to fix the net metering problem first.
For solar and wind to work, they need to be grid tied, but to continue to be grid tied, requires that a grid be there to tie to.
Net metering as currently run, would harm the utilities capability to stay in business.
 
Media_Truth said:
Many have stopped our dependence on fossil fuels. Mine is down over 90 percent.

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You have so many positive examples from around the world.

For example UK have drasticly reduced it's dependency on coal and will close it last coal plan in 2025.

UK government spells out plan to shut down coal plants | Business | The Guardian

While Denmark there wind power covered 40.8% of total electricity consumption and in total 68% of the Danish electricity supply originated from renewables in 2018.

As Wind Turned Down A Notch, Solar Soared -- 2018 Renewable Energy Report Denmark | CleanTechnica

You have also Sweden that after the oil crisis in the 1970's replaced oil fired burners with district heating.

District heating

While also implemented a carbon tax in 1995.

How Sweden Became the World’s Most Sustainable Country: Top 5 Reasons - The ADEC Innovations Blog

Also Norway and 1 out of 3 vehicles sold in the market was a zero-emission vehicle. If you add in also plug-in vehicles, the share increases to 49.1 percent of the market.

Electric car sales grew by 40% in Norway this year - Electrek

There all those countries also rank higher than US on the best country for business list.

Best Countries for Business List

You are also seeing a drastic reduction in cost of renewable energy and other technologies like batteries.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018...an-fossil-fuels-by-2020-according-to-research

https://reneweconomy.com.au/how-the...-the-heartbeat-of-australias-main-grid-11288/
 
[h=2]French Doctor Calls “Instrumentalization” Of Greta Thunberg “Irresponsible”, “Moral Error” …Revealing “Neuropsychiatric State To Media Should Be A Crime”[/h]By P Gosselin on 19. March 2019
[h=2]Laurent Alexandre: “Greta Thunberg instrumentalized by militant extremists“[/h]In a stinging commentary at Le Figaro here, Dr. Laurent Alexandre, surgeon-urologist, a graduate of Sciences Po, HEC and ENA, and co-founder of the Doctissimo website, asserts that the teenage Nobel Prize nominee Greta Thunberg is being shamelessly exploited and “is playing into the hands of economic interests for whom climate protection is of little importance”.

Dr. Laurent Alexandre. Image: https://twitter.com/dr_l_alexandre?lang=de​
The French doctor blasts the instrumentalization of the special child as “irresponsible” and that “revealing her neuropsychiatric state to the media should be a crime.”
“Substitute for the Marxist dictatorship” and “liberticidal agenda”
Laurent Alexandre first comments that “the young people who follow Greta Thunberg are the useful idiots of the green dictatorship” much in the same way Lenin called left-wing bourgeois as “useful idiots of the revolution” and that the failures of all Marxist models have “left the anti-liberals in turmoil.”
He writes that ecology today serves as “the ideal instrument to propose a new utopia that is a substitute for the Marxist dictatorship”. He adds: “By exploiting youth, we are imposing a liberticidal agenda in the name of good feelings.”. . . .
 
longview said:
I did not say you were off the grid! I said "If you were truly off the grid, your system would be much more expensive and with higher maintenance cost."
I like the idea of solar, but we have to fix the net metering problem first.
For solar and wind to work, they need to be grid tied, but to continue to be grid tied, requires that a grid be there to tie to.
Net metering as currently run, would harm the utilities capability to stay in business.
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Renewable customers are not responsible for the profit margins of Utility Companies. Nor are they responsible for assuring that the CEOs get elaborate bonuses. Simple solution - Utilities pay the retail rate whenever renewable customers are producing a surplus, and they pay the wholesale rate, whenever they are drawing power. After all, PV customers are peak load producers, and their electricity has no voltage loss, which is a major inefficiency expense for Utilities.

Rooftop solar is booming!

Rooftop solar: Net metering is a net benefit

Rooftop solar is booming in U.S. cities.

One of the most exciting infrastructure developments within metropolitan America, the installation of over a million solar photovoltaic (PV) systems in recent years, represents nothing less than a breakthrough for urban sustainability — and the climate.

Prices for solar panels have fallen dramatically. Residential solar installations surged by 66 percent between 2014 and 2015 helping to ensure that solar accounted for 30 percent of all new U.S. electric generating capacity. And for that matter, recent analyses conclude that the cost of residential solar is often comparable to the average price of power on the utility grid, a threshold known as grid parity.
 
Media_Truth said:
Renewable customers are not responsible for the profit margins of Utility Companies. Nor are they responsible for assuring that the CEOs get elaborate bonuses. Simple solution - Utilities pay the retail rate whenever renewable customers are producing a surplus, and they pay the wholesale rate, whenever they are drawing power. After all, PV customers are peak load producers, and their electricity has no voltage loss, which is a major inefficiency expense for Utilities.

Rooftop solar is booming!

Rooftop solar: Net metering is a net benefit

Rooftop solar is booming in U.S. cities.

One of the most exciting infrastructure developments within metropolitan America, the installation of over a million solar photovoltaic (PV) systems in recent years, represents nothing less than a breakthrough for urban sustainability — and the climate.

Prices for solar panels have fallen dramatically. Residential solar installations surged by 66 percent between 2014 and 2015 helping to ensure that solar accounted for 30 percent of all new U.S. electric generating capacity. And for that matter, recent analyses conclude that the cost of residential solar is often comparable to the average price of power on the utility grid, a threshold known as grid parity.
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Keep telling yourself that lie! consider your own words.
Utilities pay the retail rate whenever renewable customers are producing a surplus, and they pay the wholesale rate, whenever they are drawing power.
If the utility pays the renewable customer the retail rate, do the math, how many renewable customers can the utility support with such charity
before there is no more gross profit to support the utility?
 
longview said:
Keep telling yourself that lie! consider your own words.
Utilities pay the retail rate whenever renewable customers are producing a surplus, and they pay the wholesale rate, whenever they are drawing power.
If the utility pays the renewable customer the retail rate, do the math, how many renewable customers can the utility support with such charity
before there is no more gross profit to support the utility?
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Renewable customers are not responsible for the profit margins of Utility Companies. Nor are they responsible for assuring that the CEOs get elaborate bonuses.
 
Media_Truth said:
Renewable customers are not responsible for the profit margins of Utility Companies. Nor are they responsible for assuring that the CEOs get elaborate bonuses.
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I did not say they were, but the utility companies are necessary for the majority of alternate energy plans to work,
so it is important that they stay in business.
Your own system would not work as well without daily assistance from the grid.
We have to foster an environment where all the parties involved can be productive, this means keeping the utilities in business.
 
longview said:
I did not say they were, but the utility companies are necessary for the majority of alternate energy plans to work,
so it is important that they stay in business.
Your own system would not work as well without daily assistance from the grid.
We have to foster an environment where all the parties involved can be productive, this means keeping the utilities in business.
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Basic economics - a company stays in business by adjusting prices and expenses.
 
longview said:
Keep telling yourself that lie! consider your own words.
Utilities pay the retail rate whenever renewable customers are producing a surplus, and they pay the wholesale rate, whenever they are drawing power.
If the utility pays the renewable customer the retail rate, do the math, how many renewable customers can the utility support with such charity
before there is no more gross profit to support the utility?
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I don't think warmers understand simple algebra.
 
Media_Truth said:
Basic economics - a company stays in business by adjusting prices and expenses.
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If the company is forced by law to pay the retail rate for surplus, and to credit customers 1:1 for net metered power (also at the retail rate),
at some point there will be no gross profit for the utility to stay in business.
Nothing to pay the employees, nothing to maintain the grid, or power plants.
Increasing the price of the retail rate, only increases what they have to credit net metered customers with.
I think you said in the past that your utility increased your grid connection fees, the likely reason is that was the only
path left open to them that would not cause greater financial harm.
 
longview said:
Or accounting!
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Or logistics, but these two are a little more complex. It's a given that anyone who can be indoctrinated like they are can't understand accounting and logistics.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Or logistics, but these two are a little more complex. It's a given that anyone who can be indoctrinated like they are can't understand accounting and logistics.
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I actually think it is important that solar power succeed, but I have been trying to explain, for it to do
so, we need to change the grid attachment rules.
 
longview said:
I actually think it is important that solar power succeed, but I have been trying to explain, for it to do
so, we need to change the grid attachment rules.
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Absolutely.

We cannot expect a utility to absorb the costs of doing business. They will end up jacking up the rates for everyone, to stay afloat.

Net metering can only work for a small number. As the number of people who put excess power back into the grid increases, the load cycles of wholesale energy will become more chaotic and expensive to maintain too.
 
longview said:
If the company is forced by law to pay the retail rate for surplus, and to credit customers 1:1 for net metered power (also at the retail rate),
at some point there will be no gross profit for the utility to stay in business.
Nothing to pay the employees, nothing to maintain the grid, or power plants.
Increasing the price of the retail rate, only increases what they have to credit net metered customers with.
I think you said in the past that your utility increased your grid connection fees, the likely reason is that was the only
path left open to them that would not cause greater financial harm.
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Basic economics - a company stays in business by adjusting prices and expenses. If you want to blame Netmetering for the failures of Utility companies, you're blaming a group that comprises less 1% of their customer base. I was required to take a course in Economics as part of my BS Degree in Engineering. Perhaps you need to take one...
 
Media_Truth said:
Basic economics - a company stays in business by adjusting prices and expenses. If you want to blame Netmetering for the failures of Utility companies, you're blaming a group that comprises less 1% of their customer base. I was required to take a course in Economics as part of my BS Degree in Engineering. Perhaps you need to take one...
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What happens when that number goers from 1% to 25%?

The problem with people like you, is you forget things are not static. They are dynamic.
 
Lord of Planar said:
What happens when that number goers from 1% to 25%?

The problem with people like you, is you forget things are not static. They are dynamic.
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That would be a good problem! Are you aware that Netmetering customers usually pay a higher connection fee? Are you aware that Netmetering customers have to pay a fixed fee every month, sometimes called a "Grid-Connect" fee (all customers pay this fee)? Do you have a Netmetering account? I do, and I have had a number of conversations with representatives from the renewables division of the Utility.
 
Media_Truth said:
Basic economics - a company stays in business by adjusting prices and expenses. If you want to blame Netmetering for the failures of Utility companies, you're blaming a group that comprises less 1% of their customer base. I was required to take a course in Economics as part of my BS Degree in Engineering. Perhaps you need to take one...
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The 1% is not really the problem, but the 1% needs to be 75% plus, and net metering laws will stop that from happening,...because of economics.
Can you understand that if the utility is required to credit the alternate energy customer 1:1 at the retail rate,
if the utility increases the retail rate, the rate they must credit alternate energy customer also increases?
 
longview said:
The 1% is not really the problem, but the 1% needs to be 75% plus, and net metering laws will stop that from happening,...because of economics.
Can you understand that if the utility is required to credit the alternate energy customer 1:1 at the retail rate,
if the utility increases the retail rate, the rate they must credit alternate energy customer also increases?
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That's a good thing. The alternative energy customer deserves a return on his large investment - an investment that is benefitting the Utilities and it's customers in the ways I described earlier.
 
Media_Truth said:
That's a good thing. The alternative energy customer deserves a return on his large investment - an investment that is benefitting the Utilities and it's customers in the ways I described earlier.
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That investment you speak of is only good if that utility is present to back it up.
please do the math, the utility cannot sustain a large number of 1:1 net metered customers.
 
longview said:
That investment you speak of is only good if that utility is present to back it up.
please do the math, the utility cannot sustain a large number of 1:1 net metered customers.
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The renewables customers are not responsible to fund the Utility CEO's bonus pay.
 
Having governments, individuals, communities and companies leading the way have already drastically reduced the cost of renewables, batteries and other technologies.

“A new report reveals 42% of global coal capacity is currently unprofitable, and the United States could save $78 billion by closing coal-fired power plants in line with the Paris Climate Accord’s climate goals. This industry-disrupting trend comes down to dollars and cents, as the cost of renewable energy dips below fossil fuel generation.

Across the U.S., renewable energy is beating coal on cost: The price to build new wind and solar has fallen below the cost of running existing coal-fired power plants in Red and Blue states. For example, Colorado’s Xcel will retire 660 megawatts (MW) of coal capacity ahead of schedule in favor of renewable sources and battery storage, and reduce costs in the process. Midwestern utility MidAmerican will be the first utility to reach 100% renewable energy by 2020 without increasing customer rates, and Indiana’s NIPSCO will replace 1.8 gigawatts (GW) of coal with wind and solar.”

Plunging Prices Mean Building New Renewable Energy Is Cheaper Than Running Existing Coal
 
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