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Sharp rise in Arctic temperatures now inevitable – UN

Media_Truth said:
I never said a tipping point occurred. I said that conditions are more likely for one to occur.
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We wouldn't necessarily know that a tipping point had occurred. It could well be that we have already set in motion processes that are irreversible on human timescales.
 
Media_Truth said:
I never said a tipping point occurred. I said that conditions are more likely for one to occur.
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What you said back in post #24 was ,
If melting permafrost triggers a tipping point, the likely results would be global temperature rises well in excess of the 2C set as the limit of safety under the Paris agreement.
implying that a tipping point existed,
I was showing that the Arctic has been warmer in the past, and no tipping points were crossed.
 
Surface Detail said:
It would be scrutinised very carefully for errors, given the overwhelming preponderance of data indicating the existence of global warming. In the extremely unlikely event that their work was correct, they'd likely get a Nobel Prize.
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What happens to their work...is...it goes away.
 
longview said:
What denial, I am saying the claimed volume of ice lost would result in lots of water flowing out
of a relatively small geography, over a very short time frame. it should be plainly visible from the satellite images.
Even if the water did not contain a bunch of suspended particulates like the Mississippi, the temperature difference should show up.
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In other words, anyone can see that.. ITS A CONSPIRACY!

Why don’t scientists look at satellite images like the smart people do?

Oh.. where do you peruse these comprehensive satellite images during melt season anyway? Do you have some access to Satellites given to you from your research grants and academic affiliations?
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Threegoofs said:
In other words, anyone can see that.. ITS A CONSPIRACY!

Why don’t scientists look at satellite images like the smart people do?

Oh.. where do you peruse these comprehensive satellite images during melt season anyway? Do you have some access to Satellites given to you from your research grants and academic affiliations?
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You see CONSPIRACY in strange places!
 
Jack Hays said:
[h=2]100-Year Russian Arctic Temperature Reconstruction Shows 1930s Just As Warm As Today![/h]By P Gosselin on 9. June 2018
Russian Arctic in 1920-1940 was warmer than today By Dr. Sebastian Lüning and Prof. Fritz Vahrenholt (German text translated/edited by P. Gosselin) The topic today is the temperature trend in the Arctic. Of special interest are the hard facts. At Climate4You we find the satellite measured temperature development (UAH) of the Arctic: Figure 1: Temperature […]
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Ah, that ridiculous denier blog again; always a reliable source. Except...FACT CHECK: Do Hundreds of Papers Published in 2017 'Prove' That Global Warming is a Myth?
 
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Surface Detail said:
We wouldn't necessarily know that a tipping point had occurred. It could well be that we have already set in motion processes that are irreversible on human timescales.
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Good point!
 
longview said:
What you said back in post #24 was ,
If melting permafrost triggers a tipping point, the likely results would be global temperature rises well in excess of the 2C set as the limit of safety under the Paris agreement.
implying that a tipping point existed,
I was showing that the Arctic has been warmer in the past, and no tipping points were crossed.
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I posted this graphic yesterday, from the NASA website. It shows how Climate Change has really hit the Arctic region. A tipping point is much more probable in that region. And as Surface Detail suggested, one may have already been set in motion. If you really want me to buy into your rhetoric, admit that we have to work towards bringing those temperatures down.

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AlphaOmega said:
They are your Scientists, lets start with who is paying them for their research.
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Look, you have claimed that the work of scientists that showed no global warming has "gone away". Who are these scientists? What evidence do you have for your claim? If you can't actually provide any evidence, that I suggest you take your ridiculous conspiracy theories elsewhere.
 
Surface Detail said:
Look, you have claimed that the work of scientists that showed no global warming has "gone away". Who are these scientists? What evidence do you have for your claim? If you can't actually provide any evidence, that I suggest you take your ridiculous conspiracy theories elsewhere.
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Please answer the question. I asked you to tell us who is funding global warming research.
 
Threegoofs said:
http://amp.theguardian.com/environm...ly-tackled-warns-un?__twitter_impression=true


Seems bad.

But I’m sure the deniers will dismiss it.

Here’s the study:
Global linkages – a graphic look at the changing Arctic: A Vital Arctic Graphics Report |
GRID-Arendal

Norwegians. What do they know about the arctic. Amirite?
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Run for your lives, the sky is falling, the sky is falling! Oh no, we are now doomed even if we don't spend trillions of American tax dollars to bust the global warming ghost.

My advice? If we are doomed anyway, let's just spend our money on things that make sense instead of attempting to fight weather changes that don't make sense.
 
Surface Detail said:
You're the one making the claim. It's up to you to justify it. Where is your evidence?
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They are your scientists. I am asking you an on topic question about who is funding them. Your dodge is proving my point, you just haven't realized it yet.
 
AlphaOmega said:
They are your scientists. I am asking you an on topic question about who is funding them. Your dodge is proving my point, you just haven't realized it yet.
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You are the dodger. You claimed that the work of scientists that shows no global warming "goes away". If you cannot provide any evidence to support your claim, then there is simply no point discussing it. Period.
 
Surface Detail said:
You are the dodger. You claimed that the work of scientists that shows no global warming "goes away". If you cannot provide any evidence to support your claim, then there is simply no point discussing it. Period.
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Im doing it right now, you just aren't aware of it. There you have it folks, the armchair scientists who know their science is correct suddenly clam up when you ask them who is paying their scientists.
 
AlphaOmega said:
Im doing it right now, you just aren't aware of it. There you have it folks, the armchair scientists who know their science is correct suddenly clam up when you ask them who is paying their scientists.
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Hi,

How would you react to a proposal to have a law that said lying and calling it science would send you to jail?

That is if you present something as science you would be expected to be under the same sort of limits as if you were in court and sworn under oath.
 
Tim the plumber said:
Hi,

How would you react to a proposal to have a law that said lying and calling it science would send you to jail?

That is if you present something as science you would be expected to be under the same sort of limits as if you were in court and sworn under oath.
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We call this data fraudulation. Many people/laboratories have been caught falsifying data and pay hefty fines, loss of licenses and jail sentences depending on the situation. Like any other job, there are people who do things by the book and many who don't. My job exists because of the "those who don't" either by knowing misconduct or by negligence. If you'll notice, he faultered on my first audit like question..."Who paid for your research study?" Honest people answer direct questions directly and immediately.
 
AlphaOmega said:
We call this data fraudulation. Many people/laboratories have been caught falsifying data and pay hefty fines, loss of licenses and jail sentences depending on the situation. Like any other job, there are people who do things by the book and many who don't. My job exists because of the "those who don't" either by knowing misconduct or by negligence. If you'll notice, he faultered on my first audit like question..."Who paid for your research study?" Honest people answer direct questions directly and immediately.
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Oh yes. It is generally very obvious when people lie. That those who do so do it so freely and with so little thought shows that they think the rest of us are stupid.

Again though, especially for those cases where there is no contract as such and thus fraud cannot be used, would you like there to be such a law?
 
Media_Truth said:
I posted this graphic yesterday, from the NASA website. It shows how Climate Change has really hit the Arctic region. A tipping point is much more probable in that region. And as Surface Detail suggested, one may have already been set in motion. If you really want me to buy into your rhetoric, admit that we have to work towards bringing those temperatures down.
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If the Arctic has been warmer in the past, than it is currently without a tipping point,
why would think one would be more probable now, or already be in motion?
The Arctic was expected to see most of the CO2 forcing increases according to Hansen,
but then he expected the same in the Antarctic which did not happen.
Also we do not know entirely what is causing the arctic warming, CO2 plays a role,
but so does soot.
 
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