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Time to Panic

Rogue Valley

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Time to Panic | New York Times

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2/16/19
The age of climate panic is here. Last summer, a heat wave baked the entire Northern Hemisphere, killing dozens from Quebec to Japan. Some of the most destructive wildfires in California history turned more than a million acres to ash, along the way melting the tires and the sneakers of those trying to escape the flames. Pacific hurricanes forced three million people in China to flee and wiped away almost all of Hawaii’s East Island. We are living today in a world that has warmed by just one degree Celsius (1.8 degrees Fahrenheit) since the late 1800s, when records began on a global scale. We are adding planet-warming carbon dioxide to the atmosphere at a rate faster than at any point in human history since the beginning of industrialization. Panic might seem counterproductive, but we’re at a point where alarmism and catastrophic thinking are valuable, for several reasons. The first is that climate change is a crisis precisely because it is a looming catastrophe that demands an aggressive global response, now. In other words, it is right to be alarmed. The emissions path we are on today is likely to take us to 1.5 degrees Celsius of warming by 2040, two degrees Celsius within decades after that and perhaps four degrees Celsius by 2100. As temperatures rise, this could mean many of the biggest cities in the Middle East and South Asia would become lethally hot in summer, perhaps as soon as 2050.

There are many reasons to think we may not get to four degrees Celsius, but globally, emissions are still growing, and the time we have to avert what is now thought to be catastrophic warming — two degrees Celsius — is shrinking by the day. To stay safely below that threshold, we must reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 45 percent from 2010 levels by 2030, according to the United Nations report. This helps explain the second reason alarmism is useful: By defining the boundaries of conceivability more accurately, catastrophic thinking makes it easier to see the threat of climate change clearly. The third reason is while concern about climate change is growing — fortunately — complacency remains a much bigger political problem than fatalism. And while not a single direct question about climate change was asked of either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump during the 2016 presidential debates, the issue is sure to dominate the Democratic primary in 2020, alongside “Medicare for all” and free college. Michael Bloomberg, poised to spend at least $500 million on the campaign, has said he’ll insist that any candidate the party puts forward has a concrete plan for the climate. This is what the beginning of a solution looks like — though only a very beginning, and only a partial solution. We have probably squandered the opportunity to avert two degrees of warming, but we can avert three degrees and certainly all the terrifying suffering that lies beyond that threshold.
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Don't believe Donald Trump or his GOP enablers. Climate change is a real threat the entire world is facing and other nations are moving [albeit slowly, but moving nonetheless] towards solutions.

The Unites States is moving ... backwards. Rather than be a world leader in regards to climate, the US under Trump has abdicated its leadership and is engaged in a retreat away from science.

Remember this tug-of-war every time the thought pops into your head ... the weather here is totally different now than when I was a kid! Who to believe? Donald Trump, or your own memory and senses?

P.S. Cue the coal baron lobbyists.....
 
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[h=1]Here's How to Avoid Climate Panics[/h][FONT=&quot]From Townhall Dennis Avery Posted: Aug 07, 2017 10:01 AM Americans have suffered needless climate-related panic for the past 40 years—not realizing that, since 1850, our newspapers have given us a climate scare about every 25 years. And none of them was valid. Fortunately, climate science is now good enough to predict the key abrupt…
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August 9, 2017 in Climate Myths.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Time to Panic | New York Times

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Don't believe Donald Trump or his GOP enablers. Climate change is a real threat the entire world is facing and other nations are moving [albeit slowly, but moving nonetheless] towards solutions.

The Unites States is moving ... backwards. Rather than be a world leader in regards to climate, the US under Trump has abdicated its leadership and is engaged in a retreat away from science.

Remember this tug-of-war every time the thought pops into your head ... the weather here is totally different now than when I was a kid! Who to believe? Donald Trump, or your own memory and senses?

P.S. Cue the coal baron lobbyists.....
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The ignorant fail to understand that during an Inter-Glacial Period, the temperature always rises, the Greenland Ice Sheet always melts almost in its entirety and the Western Antarctic Ice Sheet nearly melts in its entirety, too.

Those things are perfectly normal, and what you did or didn't do, and what you could do or should do is totally irrelevant, because there isn't a damn thing you can do about it.

Sometimes the Eastern Antarctic Ice Sheet undergoes substantial melting, and that was the case in MIS-5 and MIS-11, but the data is missing or results in no conclusions to be drawn for other Inter-Glacial Periods.

Excluding one Inter-Glacial Period which ended abruptly after only 8,000 years, the seven prior Inter-Glacial Periods were all 7.8°F to 15.3°F warmer than the present 58.4°F.

That means temperatures are normally 66.2°F to 73.7°F, and not 58.4°F.

Note that in the last Inter-Glacial Period when temperatures were 15.3°F warmer, the CO2 levels peaked at 287 ppm C02.

The question you should really be asking is, "Why is it so damn cold?"

It's not my fault you stupidly built cities on coastal areas before you knew how the Earth actually worked.

But, not to worry, there is a Free Market solution to the problem.

Eventually, insurance companies will refuse to insure those properties prone to flooding, and when they do, mortgage companies will stop issuing mortgages.

People and businesses will start trickling out of those areas to relocate to areas inland not prone to flooding and all will be fine and dandy.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Time to Panic | New York Times

merlin_150753201_d05bc8c2-7b95-43df-9be0-66d80d40eef3-mediumThreeByTwo440.jpg




Don't believe Donald Trump or his GOP enablers. Climate change is a real threat the entire world is facing and other nations are moving [albeit slowly, but moving nonetheless] towards solutions.

The Unites States is moving ... backwards. Rather than be a world leader in regards to climate, the US under Trump has abdicated its leadership and is engaged in a retreat away from science.

Remember this tug-of-war every time the thought pops into your head ... the weather here is totally different now than when I was a kid! Who to believe? Donald Trump, or your own memory and senses?

P.S. Cue the coal baron lobbyists.....
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Why? Coal is not going to solve anything!
Consider the actual data for just a bit.
Around the world, researchers have been working on Power to Liquid fuels projects.
The Naval Research Labs, and Audi Sunfire, have published the most progress, but both come in between 60 and 70% efficient.
https://www.greencarcongress.com/power-to-liquids/
Sunfire is projecting 80% in large scale production.
For this exercise we can use the low number of 60%.
A gallon Gasoline contains about 33 Kwh of energy, so 33/.6= 55 Kwh.
It will take 55 Kwh of energy to create a gallon of gasoline.
If wholesale electricity were $0.05 per Kwh, it would take, $96.25 to create the same 35 gallons of gasoline
they now extract from a $55 barrel of oil, a difference of about $1.60 per gallon.
On it's own oil will increase in price, and wholesale electricity prices are dropping, these curve will naturally cross on their own,
but if a nation who had a high fuel tax, wanted to cut emissions, they could cut the fuel tax on man made hydrocarbon fuels
to the point that the man made (Carbon neutral) fuel was the lowest price choice at the pump.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Time to Panic | New York Times

merlin_150753201_d05bc8c2-7b95-43df-9be0-66d80d40eef3-mediumThreeByTwo440.jpg




Don't believe Donald Trump or his GOP enablers. Climate change is a real threat the entire world is facing and other nations are moving [albeit slowly, but moving nonetheless] towards solutions.

The Unites States is moving ... backwards. Rather than be a world leader in regards to climate, the US under Trump has abdicated its leadership and is engaged in a retreat away from science.

Remember this tug-of-war every time the thought pops into your head ... the weather here is totally different now than when I was a kid! Who to believe? Donald Trump, or your own memory and senses?

P.S. Cue the coal baron lobbyists.....
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Strange you are wasting electricity posting on the internet.
 
[h=1]Panic Now, Or Die Horribly![/h]Posted on 18 Feb 19 by JAIME JESSOP • 15 Comments
Climate alarmists are becoming desperate. We’re not concerned enough about climate change, so they are going full out to try and create blind panic in the forlorn hope that we will be herded like sheep into taking action and/or consent meekly to the taking of drastic action, because we have become fearful, fed as we … Continue reading
 
We need a "Chicken Little" forum for threads like this.
 
Threegoofs said:
Kate Marvel on Twitter: "Climate scientists are too alarmist, say people who claim a carbon tax will destroy the economy, crush freedom, and turn the US into a communist dictatorship"
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She's often a surprise.

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With the dismissal of the #ExxonKnew lawsuits, climate alarmists are now in "bizarro world"

Clarification: The “#ExxonKnew” conspiracy claim has been dismissed. The lawsuits by the San Francisco & Oakland city governments against the oil companies have not been dismissed (yet). Yesterday we reported that the “conspiracy” basis of the #ExxonKnew lawsuit was dimissed by the federal judge, who saw through the smoke and mirrors complaint created by Al…

March 22, 2018 in Climate News.
 
Jack Hays said:
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Scott Adams: ‘The hockey stick is literally a symbol of lying’

[FONT=&]That’s direct quote from Scott Adams in this video he posted yesterday. Well worth your time. In this video, ‘Dilbert’ creator Scott Adams solves the climate debate and saves the world (really). Watch: Scott Adams: "Scott Adams solves the climate debate and saves the world (really)."
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Well if a cartoonist said it on Watts' fake science site, then I suppose it must be right :roll:
 
Threegoofs said:
Yeah- weren’t you the guy who dismisses John Cook as a ‘cartoonist’?
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Nope. Maybe because Cook banned me from posting because I told
him he set up a straw man which he did. But cartoonist? Nope

I put up the You Tube link because the one above is not as user friendly
as it could be. Besides, you can leave comments on the You Tube.
 
Science
[h=1]The Scientific Baloney Detection Kit[/h]By Jim Steele published in What’s Natural? column of Pacifica Tribune February 20, 2019 Politicians from all sides manufacture “crises” and “demons” to promote their agendas superficially designed to fight those crises. In his book “The Demon Haunted World”, Carl Sagan famously published his Scientific Baloney Detection Kit; a “do and don’t” list to guide…
 
Jack Hays said:
Science
[h=1]The Scientific Baloney Detection Kit[/h]By Jim Steele published in What’s Natural? column of Pacifica Tribune February 20, 2019 Politicians from all sides manufacture “crises” and “demons” to promote their agendas superficially designed to fight those crises. In his book “The Demon Haunted World”, Carl Sagan famously published his Scientific Baloney Detection Kit; a “do and don’t” list to guide…
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As long as we're quoting from Carl Sagan:

Here's Carl Sagan's original essay on the dangers of climate change

The principal energy sources of our present industrial civilization are the so-called fossil fuels. We burn wood and oil, coal and natural gas, and, in the process, release waste gases, principally CO2, into the air. Consequently, the carbon dioxide content of the Earth's atmosphere is increasing dramatically. The possibility of a runaway greenhouse effect suggests that we have to be careful: Even a one- or two- degree rise in the global temperature can have catastrophic consequences.

So maybe you're the one that needs to read your Scientific Baloney link.
 
Media_Truth said:
As long as we're quoting from Carl Sagan:

Here's Carl Sagan's original essay on the dangers of climate change

The principal energy sources of our present industrial civilization are the so-called fossil fuels. We burn wood and oil, coal and natural gas, and, in the process, release waste gases, principally CO2, into the air. Consequently, the carbon dioxide content of the Earth's atmosphere is increasing dramatically. The possibility of a runaway greenhouse effect suggests that we have to be careful: Even a one- or two- degree rise in the global temperature can have catastrophic consequences.

So maybe you're the one that needs to read your Scientific Baloney link.
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Except there's no demonstrated link (beyond models) between CO2 and temperature.
 
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