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Big Freeze and Climate Change- Stupidity or cynicism?

My idea of 'just fine' is our current temperatures being well within the the range of the natural variability of the last few thousand years in both its level and rate of change.
*bzzt* wrong

Current temperatures are higher than they've been in 120,000 years. They have also obviously risen much, much faster than what we've seen in just the past 2000 years. As already posted in this thread:

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In addition, as also already posted, we know that this is happening because of increases in CO2 and other GHGs, which are in the atmosphere because of human activity.


All the rest isn't any kind of empirical science at all its just political agenda driven bunk.
Spare us the denier bull****. Temperature records are real. Precipitation records are real. Sea level measurements are real. Ocean acidification measurements are real. Ice mass measurements are real. Your dislike for what the data is telling you is no excuse to deny what it's telling you.
 
AGW is a classic example of correlation assuming a cause. Such things must be proven, and we currently lack sufficient knowledge of climate to do so.
*bzzt* wrong

We have plenty of evidence to display that CO2, CH4 and so on are greenhouse gases, which are causing almost all of the warming in the Industrial Era. We also have lots of evidence to show that other factors (like changes in solar radiation) are not sufficient to explain what we see.

It's proven. That ship has sailed.
 
*bzzt* wrong

We have plenty of evidence to display that CO2, CH4 and so on are greenhouse gases, which are causing almost all of the warming in the Industrial Era. We also have lots of evidence to show that other factors (like changes in solar radiation) are not sufficient to explain what we see.

It's proven. That ship has sailed.

That ship never left port. The rhetoric sailed without the substance.
 
You might have recognized by now that he posts links to things he's never read and wouldn't understand if he did.

If he's read any, some or all of it, isn't the point. He links to the whole thing
and implies that your answer is in there. That's exactly what the classic bible
thumper does. It's another example that shows that Global Warming/Climate
Change is a religion. After all, Rajenda Pachauri said:

"For me the protection of planet Earth, the survival of all species
and sustainability of our ecosystems is more than my mission,
it is my religion.
"​

As they say in New York, you can look it up.
 
We're around 400 PPM CO2 these days. Have you any idea what the CO2 level was during past Ice Ages?
Yep. It was around 180ppm when the Ice Age was at its coldest, then rose to 260, and stayed around 260 for thousands of years.

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You have to go back about 900,000 years to find CO2 levels of around 400ppm.


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Wanna guess when it started to rise? Guess. Go ahead, guess. Surprise! The Industrial Era, when humans started spewing massive amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere.

Proxy and Direct CO2 1500 to 2015.png



Your own graph shows a pause between 1950 and 1975. Was there a CO2 pause during those 2.5 decades?
Good grief.

The effects of CO2 and other GHGs is not like flipping a switch. These are complex systems, where increases in GHGs can take decades have their full impact on temperatures. As in, even if we stopped all CO2 emissions today, global temperatures would continue to warm for several more decades (as, for example, the oceans will slowly release stored CO2). There are also short-term impacts on temperatures like volcanic eruptions. That's why we look at much longer terms.

Focusing on the "pauses" is mere cherry-picking. The long-term trends are obvious: CO2 and temperatures are both up, as predicted, and are not going to drop any time soon.


CO2 is a minor player, not a driver.
**bzzt** wrong. CO2, while a trace gas, is a critical component in the changes in temperatures during the Industrial Era -- and in other eras as well. We have tons of evidence of that. Next...


If you think about it even a little bit it should be obvious that the sun and earth with their behavior in cycles within cycles and the influence on climate that cyclical behavior causes on earth is the driver.
**bzzt** wrong. While we don't know every single impact or aspect of every single natural cycles, we do know enough about climate and human activity to determine that natural cycles are not causing what we are seeing. That's the whole point of decades of definitive research into both natural cycles and human impact.


The climate system is one of chaos. Too complex to be driven by something as conveniently simple as one greenhouse gas.
**bzzt** wrong, BS denialist talking point. Weather is chaotic and difficult to predict more than 10 days out. That fact does not make it impossible to say that "winters are cold, and summers are hot." We also look back at past eras to estimate the impacts of, for example, higher surface temperatures, or ice loss, or higher sea levels. So yes, we can make effective predictions about climate, despite the well-known difficulties in making short-term predictions.


'The problem is we don’t know what the climate is doing,'....
:roll:

Daily Mail is an extreme right-wing tabloid -- not exactly a neutral source for discussions of climate change. The section you quoted in this thread obviously omitted critical context from that interview. For starters, Lovelock predicted levels of doom and destruction that is well outside the consensus -- e.g. "Before long, we may face planet-wide devastation worse even than unrestricted nuclear war between superpowers. The climate war could kill nearly all of us and leave the few survivors living a Stone Age existence." As in, most scientists, climate activists and journalists were routinely calling him out for his over-the-top predictions (e.g. https://thinkprogress.org/lovelock-...d-kill-nearly-all-of-us-leaving-c8ef7f9a1be5/) Meanwhile, in the very interview he quoted, he explicitly stated he was not an AGW denier. Funny how you left that out.

In other words, he walked back his own extremism, which was not a reflection of the scientific consensus or mainstream view.

These kind of compounded fallacies (cherry-picking and appeal to authority), combined with a near-total lack of research and data conducted by the deniers, only serve to show the intellectual bankruptcy of the denialist ideology.

Better luck next time.
 
My such a long list for being false. Where did you hear it?
lol

Oh, I dunno. How about actual reports on the actual climate?
https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/2018BAMSStateoftheClimate.1


Don't be so susceptible to such gobbledegook without verification. Is that what "free thinker" means to you?
Wow. Actual facts is your idea of "gobbledegook?" Did you actually miss the hemisphere-wide heat wave last year? The documented losses of ice masses and glacial retreats? The documented rise in sea levels, which caused documented increases in storm surges? What "verification" would you accept anyway, since you don't seem to pay any mind to actual research -- unless it meets your pre-existing ideology?


For example ...
For example, you cite one paper that does not, in fact, refute anything climate scientists have claimed (and is thus not on my list... try reading next time). They've been saying for, oh, 5-10 years that climate change will not increase the frequency of tropical storms. What it is already doing, and will continue to do, is make those storms more intense; move more slowly across the oceans; stay over land longer; produce more precipitation; produce more damaging storm surges.

If you bothered to read what you quoted, you'd see that those papers are part of that determination. E.g. Vecci 2008 does not dispute AGW; the paper explicitly states that climate is warming due to human activity, it uses HADCRUT2 data, and so on.

And if you bothered to check on Vecchi, you'd know he accepts AGW. Here's a typical paper he co-authored in 2010. The paper literally starts with: "Anthropogenic climate change is now well established as a global threat to society and the planet, and is the subject of intense international negotiations to limit its impact. Not much ambiguity there, huh?
The impact of global warming on the tropical Pacific and El Ni??o | Scott Power and Gabriel Vecchi - Academia.edu

So no, I am not impressed by your lack of knowledge of actual observations, or taking concepts out of context, or failure to know what your own sources say.
 
Yep. It was around 180ppm when the Ice Age was at its coldest, then rose to 260, and stayed around 260 for thousands of years.
So for AGW to be catastrophic, it requires a high enough feedback amplification factor to turn
the 2XCO2 perturbation of 3.71 Wm-2 (~1.1C) into 3 C or higher.
That is an amplification factor of 3/1.1 =2.72 or higher.
In your drawing of the globe coming out of the last ice age,
why did the feedbacks not work at the end of the temperature rise coming out of the ice age?
feedback.jpg
If the feedbacks were functioning, the 3+ degree rise, should have been amplified to 3X 2.72=8.16 C over the next 50 to 2000 years.
If the feedbacks are real, any perturbation is an input, even the natural ones.
 
Yep. It was around 180ppm when the Ice Age was at its coldest, then rose to 260, and stayed around 260 for thousands of years.

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You have to go back about 900,000 years to find CO2 levels of around 400ppm.


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Wanna guess when it started to rise? Guess. Go ahead, guess. Surprise! The Industrial Era, when humans started spewing massive amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere.

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Good grief.

The effects of CO2 and other GHGs is not like flipping a switch. These are complex systems, where increases in GHGs can take decades have their full impact on temperatures. As in, even if we stopped all CO2 emissions today, global temperatures would continue to warm for several more decades (as, for example, the oceans will slowly release stored CO2). There are also short-term impacts on temperatures like volcanic eruptions. That's why we look at much longer terms.

Focusing on the "pauses" is mere cherry-picking. The long-term trends are obvious: CO2 and temperatures are both up, as predicted, and are not going to drop any time soon.



**bzzt** wrong. CO2, while a trace gas, is a critical component in the changes in temperatures during the Industrial Era -- and in other eras as well. We have tons of evidence of that. Next...



**bzzt** wrong. While we don't know every single impact or aspect of every single natural cycles, we do know enough about climate and human activity to determine that natural cycles are not causing what we are seeing. That's the whole point of decades of definitive research into both natural cycles and human impact.



**bzzt** wrong, BS denialist talking point. Weather is chaotic and difficult to predict more than 10 days out. That fact does not make it impossible to say that "winters are cold, and summers are hot." We also look back at past eras to estimate the impacts of, for example, higher surface temperatures, or ice loss, or higher sea levels. So yes, we can make effective predictions about climate, despite the well-known difficulties in making short-term predictions.



:roll:

Daily Mail is an extreme right-wing tabloid -- not exactly a neutral source for discussions of climate change. The section you quoted in this thread obviously omitted critical context from that interview. For starters, Lovelock predicted levels of doom and destruction that is well outside the consensus -- e.g. "Before long, we may face planet-wide devastation worse even than unrestricted nuclear war between superpowers. The climate war could kill nearly all of us and leave the few survivors living a Stone Age existence." As in, most scientists, climate activists and journalists were routinely calling him out for his over-the-top predictions (e.g. https://thinkprogress.org/lovelock-...d-kill-nearly-all-of-us-leaving-c8ef7f9a1be5/) Meanwhile, in the very interview he quoted, he explicitly stated he was not an AGW denier. Funny how you left that out.

In other words, he walked back his own extremism, which was not a reflection of the scientific consensus or mainstream view.

These kind of compounded fallacies (cherry-picking and appeal to authority), combined with a near-total lack of research and data conducted by the deniers, only serve to show the intellectual bankruptcy of the denialist ideology.

Better luck next time.

"During the Ordovician period, the concentration of carbon dioxide in Earth's atmosphere was about eight times higher than today. It has been hard to explain why the climate cooled and why the Ordovician glaciations took place. A new study shows that the weathering of rock caused by early non-vascular plants had the potential to cause such a global cooling effect."
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/07/160707101029.htm

http://worldview3.50webs.com/6temp.chart.n.co2.jpg

If CO2 was the driver there would be a consistent warming and it would have always happened.
It hasn't ... as you can see.
 
So for AGW to be catastrophic, it requires a high enough feedback amplification factor to turn
the 2XCO2 perturbation of 3.71 Wm-2 (~1.1C) into 3 C or higher.
That is an amplification factor of 3/1.1 =2.72 or higher.
In your drawing of the globe coming out of the last ice age,
why did the feedbacks not work at the end of the temperature rise coming out of the ice age?
View attachment 67249851
If the feedbacks were functioning, the 3+ degree rise, should have been amplified to 3X 2.72=8.16 C over the next 50 to 2000 years.
If the feedbacks are real, any perturbation is an input, even the natural ones.

They are deniers of atmospheric sciences. The deny the fact that with more water vapor in the atmosphere, comes more clouds, which reduces the source energy from the sun to the surface. This reduced energy reduces the greenhouse effect, because the solar energy is what starts the whole process. Less sun striking the surface, less upward IR, less energy to be absorbed by greenhouse gasses. Very simple, but an inconvenient truth to them.
 
"During the Ordovician period, the concentration of carbon dioxide in Earth's atmosphere was about eight times higher than today. It has been hard to explain why the climate cooled and why the Ordovician glaciations took place. A new study shows that the weathering of rock caused by early non-vascular plants had the potential to cause such a global cooling effect."
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/07/160707101029.htm

http://worldview3.50webs.com/6temp.chart.n.co2.jpg

If CO2 was the driver there would be a consistent warming and it would have always happened.
It hasn't ... as you can see.

You’re not real good with science stuff, are you?

Or are you just pretending that one variable is the only thing that ever matters in an extremely complex system over half a billion years?

As far as the OP goes... this doesnt look like cynicism to me.
 
lol

Oh, I dunno. How about actual reports on the actual climate?
https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/2018BAMSStateoftheClimate.1



Wow. Actual facts is your idea of "gobbledegook?" Did you actually miss the hemisphere-wide heat wave last year? The documented losses of ice masses and glacial retreats? The documented rise in sea levels, which caused documented increases in storm surges? What "verification" would you accept anyway, since you don't seem to pay any mind to actual research -- unless it meets your pre-existing ideology?



For example, you cite one paper that does not, in fact, refute anything climate scientists have claimed (and is thus not on my list... try reading next time). They've been saying for, oh, 5-10 years that climate change will not increase the frequency of tropical storms. What it is already doing, and will continue to do, is make those storms more intense; move more slowly across the oceans; stay over land longer; produce more precipitation; produce more damaging storm surges.

If you bothered to read what you quoted, you'd see that those papers are part of that determination. E.g. Vecci 2008 does not dispute AGW; the paper explicitly states that climate is warming due to human activity, it uses HADCRUT2 data, and so on.

And if you bothered to check on Vecchi, you'd know he accepts AGW. Here's a typical paper he co-authored in 2010. The paper literally starts with: "Anthropogenic climate change is now well established as a global threat to society and the planet, and is the subject of intense international negotiations to limit its impact. Not much ambiguity there, huh?
The impact of global warming on the tropical Pacific and El Ni??o | Scott Power and Gabriel Vecchi - Academia.edu

So no, I am not impressed by your lack of knowledge of actual observations, or taking concepts out of context, or failure to know what your own sources say.

My my you do get all worked up when things ain't what you thought.
Observations are that hurricane number or intensity has not increased and your link doesn't say otherwise.
But it does mention natural climate variability and how CO2 might have an effect ... not the other way around.
And as for your 2018 heat wave caused by CO2 ... ElNino doesn't constitute a heat wave.
It's one of many oscillations that occur in cycles and have always affected climate so you can relax.
Like I said ... climate chaos ... but you think it's simply CO2.


The Arctic has been ice free before and it isn't close to that now and won't effect sea level if it did.
The Antarctic is losing some ice along its peninsula but gaining more elsewhere.
If the Antarctic or Greenland ice melted you could worry.
It isn't so don't get your panties in a bunch about it.

And, yes, it's been noticed that you still haven't managed to explain why CO2 can have been extremely high during ice ages.
 
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If CO2 was the driver there would be a consistent warming and it would have always happened.
It hasn't ... as you can see.
Egads... What nonsense. What denier blog did you pull that from?

During the Ordovician period, surface temperatures were likely 10°C hotter than today; the oceans likely averaged 45°C; significant sections of what is now land were covered with shallow seas; oh, and solar activity was estimated to be 4% lower than today.

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You also, unsurprisingly, utterly failed to understand the article. You seem to think that it disproves the claim that CO2 is a GHG; it does no such thing. CO2 levels almost certainly fell during the Ordovician glaciation period, and temperatures were "briefly" (as in, for 10-20 million years) closer to present-day conditions. As you can see, much of Gondwana was at the South Pole, so ice formed, and ocean levels fell. The question is, how did CO2 levels drop? The article hypothesizes that non-vascular plants drew CO2 out of the atmosphere.
 
My my you do get all worked up when things ain't what you thought.
You haven't refuted a single thing I've written.


Observations are that hurricane number or intensity has not increased and your link doesn't say otherwise.
Frequency has not increased. Intensity has. Which link are you referring to?

Here's a few more for you:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/new-data-hurricanes-will-get-worse/
https://www.popsci.com/hurricane-extreme-charts-climate-change
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/08/hurricanes-harvey-climate-change/538362/


And as for your 2018 heat wave caused by CO2 ... ElNino doesn't constitute a heat wave.
Uh, hello? Where were you this summer? How did you miss all the records broken, across the world?

https://www.axios.com/global-heat-w...all-4cad71d2-8567-411e-a3f6-0febaa19a847.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-44936622
https://www.livescience.com/63195-heat-wave-global-visualization.html


It's one of many oscillations that occur in cycles and have always affected climate so you can relax.
It really isn't. Nor have you provided a single stitch of evidence to back that claim.


The Arctic has been ice free before and it isn't close to that now and won't effect sea level if it did.
Do you even have the slightest idea of what you're talking about?

Every year, ice in the Arctic grows in the winter, and retreats in the summer. The problem is that every year, less ice is forming in the winter, and there is more retreat during the summer. Given our current trajectory, at some point in the 21st Century (possibly as early as 2040), no ice will form in the Arctic during the summer. That very likely hasn't happened in over 100,000 years.

So yes, there are natural cycles that climate scientists are aware of -- and AGW is impacting those cycles, and melting more Arctic Ice almost every year, with no end in sight.

monthly_ice_01_NH_v3.0.png



The Antarctic is losing some ice along its peninsula but gaining more elsewhere.
Do you even have the slightest idea of what you're talking about?

The Antarctic is losing 250 billion tons of ice per year now -- up from 40 billion in 1979.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smar...-has-reached-250-billion-tons-year-180971280/

Plus, a substantial threat is that the ice shelves will break off. The shelves are already in the oceans and displacing a significant volume; the danger is that if those ice shelves are lost, then ice currently on land will flow into the ocean, and thus raise sea levels.


If the Antarctic or Greenland ice melted you could worry.
They ARE melting (losing ice mass.)

GrnLndMassTrnd.png



And, yes, it's been noticed that you still haven't managed to explain why CO2 can have been extremely high during ice ages.
Are you for reals?

As I already pointed out: CO2 concentrations were around 180ppm when the most recent Ice Age was at its coldest, then rose to 260, and stayed around 260 for thousands of years. Meaning CO2 levels were less than half current levels during the last Ice Age -- and the last Ice Age ended because CO2 levels rose to 260ppm. (By the way, that natural process took around 6,000 years; humans cause the same rise in concentrations in about 100 years. Yay...?)
 
*bzzt* wrong

Current temperatures are higher than they've been in 120,000 years. They have also obviously risen much, much faster than what we've seen in just the past 2000 years. As already posted in this thread:

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No they havent. Even over just the last 4000 years the Arctic ice core record reveals just how normal todays conditions really are (Kobayashi 2011)

4000yearsgreenland_nov2011_gprl.jpg

Antarctica is the same. No shonky climate models are required
 
No they havent. Even over just the last 4000 years the Arctic ice core record reveals just how normal todays conditions really are (Kobayashi 2011)

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Antarctica is the same. No shonky climate models are required

Hundreds of posts and you STILL can’t get the authors name correct on the paper you never read. [emoji849]
 
Hundreds of posts and you STILL can’t get the authors name correct on the paper you never read. [emoji849]

And you clearly still cannot read graphs from the doubtless hundreds of papers you have never read ! :roll:

There is absolutely nothing wrong with todays climate so bury your envy and stop trying to economically limit far smarter people than you with this garbage. They aren't going to give you their money so get smarter and work harder instead of trying to shame them into doing so with your AGW BS
 
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And you clearly still cannot read graphs from the doubtless hundreds of papers you have never read ! :roll:

There is absolutely nothing wrong with todays climate so bury your envy and stop trying to economically limit far smarter people than you with this garbage. They aren't going to give you their money so get smarter and work harder instead of trying to shame them into doing so with your AGW BS

Your graph is from a denier blog. The actual graph in the paper says something quite different.

You wouldn’t know since you don’t even know the ****ing authors name.
 
Egads... What nonsense. What denier blog did you pull that from?

During the Ordovician period, surface temperatures were likely 10°C hotter than today; the oceans likely averaged 45°C; significant sections of what is now land were covered with shallow seas; oh, and solar activity was estimated to be 4% lower than today.

796-004-8B0AE545.gif


You also, unsurprisingly, utterly failed to understand the article. You seem to think that it disproves the claim that CO2 is a GHG; it does no such thing. CO2 levels almost certainly fell during the Ordovician glaciation period, and temperatures were "briefly" (as in, for 10-20 million years) closer to present-day conditions. As you can see, much of Gondwana was at the South Pole, so ice formed, and ocean levels fell. The question is, how did CO2 levels drop? The article hypothesizes that non-vascular plants drew CO2 out of the atmosphere.

Nope.
If you're not going to look at the links people give you then you shouldn't challenge what they say...
6temp.chart.n.co2.jpg


And the article demonstrated that Nature overwhelmed CO2 levels. Not the reverse. THAT was the point and you missed it because of your blinders.
CO2 is a GHG. No revelation.
That there have been periods when it was much higher than now during ice ages is a revelation ... to you ... and you can't explain it.
 
You haven't refuted a single thing I've written.



Frequency has not increased. Intensity has. Which link are you referring to?

Here's a few more for you:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/new-data-hurricanes-will-get-worse/
https://www.popsci.com/hurricane-extreme-charts-climate-change
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/08/hurricanes-harvey-climate-change/538362/



Uh, hello? Where were you this summer? How did you miss all the records broken, across the world?

https://www.axios.com/global-heat-w...all-4cad71d2-8567-411e-a3f6-0febaa19a847.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-44936622
https://www.livescience.com/63195-heat-wave-global-visualization.html



It really isn't. Nor have you provided a single stitch of evidence to back that claim.



Do you even have the slightest idea of what you're talking about?

Every year, ice in the Arctic grows in the winter, and retreats in the summer. The problem is that every year, less ice is forming in the winter, and there is more retreat during the summer. Given our current trajectory, at some point in the 21st Century (possibly as early as 2040), no ice will form in the Arctic during the summer. That very likely hasn't happened in over 100,000 years.

So yes, there are natural cycles that climate scientists are aware of -- and AGW is impacting those cycles, and melting more Arctic Ice almost every year, with no end in sight.

monthly_ice_01_NH_v3.0.png




Do you even have the slightest idea of what you're talking about?

The Antarctic is losing 250 billion tons of ice per year now -- up from 40 billion in 1979.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smar...-has-reached-250-billion-tons-year-180971280/

Plus, a substantial threat is that the ice shelves will break off. The shelves are already in the oceans and displacing a significant volume; the danger is that if those ice shelves are lost, then ice currently on land will flow into the ocean, and thus raise sea levels.



They ARE melting (losing ice mass.)

GrnLndMassTrnd.png




Are you for reals?

As I already pointed out: CO2 concentrations were around 180ppm when the most recent Ice Age was at its coldest, then rose to 260, and stayed around 260 for thousands of years. Meaning CO2 levels were less than half current levels during the last Ice Age -- and the last Ice Age ended because CO2 levels rose to 260ppm. (By the way, that natural process took around 6,000 years; humans cause the same rise in concentrations in about 100 years. Yay...?)
- Nope ... #123 has the graph.

- I reproduced the graph for you again in #144 but I shouldn't have had to.
That's the graph you have to explain.

- "A new NASA study says that an increase in Antarctic snow accumulation that began 10,000 years ago is currently adding enough ice to the continent to outweigh the increased losses from its thinning glaciers.
The research challenges the conclusions of other studies, including the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) 2013 report, which says that Antarctica is overall losing land ice.
According to the new analysis of satellite data, the Antarctic ice sheet showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001. That net gain slowed to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008."
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddar...ns-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses

That's strike 3, my friend.

But hey! Wanna talk about the new Brooklyn 99 season? I think it doesn't have the edginess of most of the earlier episodes so far.
 
- Nope ... #123 has the graph.

- I reproduced the graph for you again in #144 but I shouldn't have had to.
That's the graph you have to explain.

- "A new NASA study says that an increase in Antarctic snow accumulation that began 10,000 years ago is currently adding enough ice to the continent to outweigh the increased losses from its thinning glaciers.
The research challenges the conclusions of other studies, including the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) 2013 report, which says that Antarctica is overall losing land ice.
According to the new analysis of satellite data, the Antarctic ice sheet showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001. That net gain slowed to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008."
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddar...ns-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses

That's strike 3, my friend.

But hey! Wanna talk about the new Brooklyn 99 season? I think it doesn't have the edginess of most of the earlier episodes so far.

Given the short duration of these graphs its a bit like tailoring your wardrobe by looking out your window one day in July and deciding thats it I don't need jackets or long trousers..... ever :lol:
 
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LOL.

I have to tell you who wrote the paper AND where to source your graph?

You’re hilarious.

Yup . You claimed it was from a 'denier' blog so prove it ? (I'm waiting to humiliate you by posting the full paper but am enjoying watching your contortions in the meantime) :waiting: #3
 
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