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    Re: Big Freeze and Climate Change- Stupidity or cynicism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Hundreds of posts and you STILL can’t get the authors name correct on the paper you never read. Big Freeze and Climate Change- Stupidity or cynicism?
    And you clearly still cannot read graphs from the doubtless hundreds of papers you have never read !

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with todays climate so bury your envy and stop trying to economically limit far smarter people than you with this garbage. They aren't going to give you their money so get smarter and work harder instead of trying to shame them into doing so with your AGW BS
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    Re: Big Freeze and Climate Change- Stupidity or cynicism?

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    And you clearly still cannot read graphs from the doubtless hundreds of papers you have never read !

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with todays climate so bury your envy and stop trying to economically limit far smarter people than you with this garbage. They aren't going to give you their money so get smarter and work harder instead of trying to shame them into doing so with your AGW BS
    Your graph is from a denier blog. The actual graph in the paper says something quite different.

    You wouldn’t know since you don’t even know the ****ing authors name.
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    Re: Big Freeze and Climate Change- Stupidity or cynicism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Your graph is from a denier blog. The actual graph in the paper says something quite different.
    Prove it ?
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    Re: Big Freeze and Climate Change- Stupidity or cynicism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Egads... What nonsense. What denier blog did you pull that from?

    During the Ordovician period, surface temperatures were likely 10°C hotter than today; the oceans likely averaged 45°C; significant sections of what is now land were covered with shallow seas; oh, and solar activity was estimated to be 4% lower than today.



    You also, unsurprisingly, utterly failed to understand the article. You seem to think that it disproves the claim that CO2 is a GHG; it does no such thing. CO2 levels almost certainly fell during the Ordovician glaciation period, and temperatures were "briefly" (as in, for 10-20 million years) closer to present-day conditions. As you can see, much of Gondwana was at the South Pole, so ice formed, and ocean levels fell. The question is, how did CO2 levels drop? The article hypothesizes that non-vascular plants drew CO2 out of the atmosphere.
    Nope.
    If you're not going to look at the links people give you then you shouldn't challenge what they say...


    And the article demonstrated that Nature overwhelmed CO2 levels. Not the reverse. THAT was the point and you missed it because of your blinders.
    CO2 is a GHG. No revelation.
    That there have been periods when it was much higher than now during ice ages is a revelation ... to you ... and you can't explain it.

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    Re: Big Freeze and Climate Change- Stupidity or cynicism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    You haven't refuted a single thing I've written.



    Frequency has not increased. Intensity has. Which link are you referring to?

    Here's a few more for you:
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ill-get-worse/
    https://www.popsci.com/hurricane-ext...climate-change
    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/...change/538362/



    Uh, hello? Where were you this summer? How did you miss all the records broken, across the world?

    https://www.axios.com/global-heat-wa...baa19a847.html
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-44936622
    https://www.livescience.com/63195-he...alization.html



    It really isn't. Nor have you provided a single stitch of evidence to back that claim.



    Do you even have the slightest idea of what you're talking about?

    Every year, ice in the Arctic grows in the winter, and retreats in the summer. The problem is that every year, less ice is forming in the winter, and there is more retreat during the summer. Given our current trajectory, at some point in the 21st Century (possibly as early as 2040), no ice will form in the Arctic during the summer. That very likely hasn't happened in over 100,000 years.

    So yes, there are natural cycles that climate scientists are aware of -- and AGW is impacting those cycles, and melting more Arctic Ice almost every year, with no end in sight.





    Do you even have the slightest idea of what you're talking about?

    The Antarctic is losing 250 billion tons of ice per year now -- up from 40 billion in 1979.
    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart...ear-180971280/

    Plus, a substantial threat is that the ice shelves will break off. The shelves are already in the oceans and displacing a significant volume; the danger is that if those ice shelves are lost, then ice currently on land will flow into the ocean, and thus raise sea levels.



    They ARE melting (losing ice mass.)





    Are you for reals?

    As I already pointed out: CO2 concentrations were around 180ppm when the most recent Ice Age was at its coldest, then rose to 260, and stayed around 260 for thousands of years. Meaning CO2 levels were less than half current levels during the last Ice Age -- and the last Ice Age ended because CO2 levels rose to 260ppm. (By the way, that natural process took around 6,000 years; humans cause the same rise in concentrations in about 100 years. Yay...?)
    - Nope ... #123 has the graph.

    - I reproduced the graph for you again in #144 but I shouldn't have had to.
    That's the graph you have to explain.

    - "A new NASA study says that an increase in Antarctic snow accumulation that began 10,000 years ago is currently adding enough ice to the continent to outweigh the increased losses from its thinning glaciers.
    The research challenges the conclusions of other studies, including the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) 2013 report, which says that Antarctica is overall losing land ice.
    According to the new analysis of satellite data, the Antarctic ice sheet showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001. That net gain slowed to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008."
    https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard...er-than-losses

    That's strike 3, my friend.

    But hey! Wanna talk about the new Brooklyn 99 season? I think it doesn't have the edginess of most of the earlier episodes so far.

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    Re: Big Freeze and Climate Change- Stupidity or cynicism?

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Prove it ?
    You don’t even know where your own ****ing graph comes from?

    Big Freeze and Climate Change- Stupidity or cynicism?
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    Re: Big Freeze and Climate Change- Stupidity or cynicism?

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    - Nope ... #123 has the graph.

    - I reproduced the graph for you again in #144 but I shouldn't have had to.
    That's the graph you have to explain.

    - "A new NASA study says that an increase in Antarctic snow accumulation that began 10,000 years ago is currently adding enough ice to the continent to outweigh the increased losses from its thinning glaciers.
    The research challenges the conclusions of other studies, including the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) 2013 report, which says that Antarctica is overall losing land ice.
    According to the new analysis of satellite data, the Antarctic ice sheet showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001. That net gain slowed to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008."
    https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard...er-than-losses

    That's strike 3, my friend.

    But hey! Wanna talk about the new Brooklyn 99 season? I think it doesn't have the edginess of most of the earlier episodes so far.
    Given the short duration of these graphs its a bit like tailoring your wardrobe by looking out your window one day in July and deciding thats it I don't need jackets or long trousers..... ever
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    Re: Big Freeze and Climate Change- Stupidity or cynicism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    You don’t even know where your own ****ing graph comes from?

    Big Freeze and Climate Change- Stupidity or cynicism?
    Prove it ? #2

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    Re: Big Freeze and Climate Change- Stupidity or cynicism?

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Prove it ? #2
    LOL.

    I have to tell you who wrote the paper AND where to source your graph?

    You’re hilarious.
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    Re: Big Freeze and Climate Change- Stupidity or cynicism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    LOL.

    I have to tell you who wrote the paper AND where to source your graph?

    You’re hilarious.
    Yup . You claimed it was from a 'denier' blog so prove it ? (I'm waiting to humiliate you by posting the full paper but am enjoying watching your contortions in the meantime) #3

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