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    Re: Greenland’s Melting Ice Nears a ‘Tipping Point,’

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    He loves those doom and gloom fantasies.
    Doom and gloom seems to be the thing that drives the political left in the US.

    They never point to what is actually happening. They point at something that never did happen and never could happen and say they need help to prevent it.

    The prediction of dire consequence is their only play in a one page play book that they run all the time. Is it possible they don't see this?

    It gets very tiresome but seems to be as entertaining to the liberals as a dangling string is to a fuzzy little kitten.

    Similar attention span levels?
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    Re: Greenland’s Melting Ice Nears a ‘Tipping Point,’

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    From your snippet:

    "Greenland’s enormous ice sheet is melting at such an accelerated rate that it may have reached a “tipping point,” and could become a major factor in sea-level rise around the world within two decades, scientists said in a study published on Monday."

    Highlighted are the words that make this post meaningless.
    I have been hearing that greenland would melt in 20 years for 45 years. It never does. Just fear mongering left doing what they do best. Even better, they are so worried about this that Al Gore heats his gigantic homes and swimming pools with fossil fuel even when he isnt there and Leonardo Dicaprio takes private jets to fly everywhere using more fuel in one two hour flight than most families use to heat theiir homes in a year. The board leftists here are so concerned about it that they waste electricity posting inane things on internet forums all day. Seems its a problem for us but not them.

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    Re: Greenland’s Melting Ice Nears a ‘Tipping Point,’

    Quote Originally Posted by Media_Truth View Post
    Real scientific articles - one after another - seems most of the world is listening, other than the Oil Industry funded deniers.
    The Claim is that CO2 is the PRIMARY cause of global warming and that we must act now to stop the various calamities this increased warming will cause by reducing CO2 concentrations.

    However, the globe has been much, much warmer in the last half million year and even within this interglacial at much, much lower concentrations of CO2.

    How does your understanding of this problem reconcile this obvious and glaring contradiction?

    The last four glacial periods and interglacial periods are shown in the diagram below (Fig.2), covering the last 420,000 years in Earth's climatic history.



    Fig.2. Reconstructed global temperature over the past 420,000 years based on the Vostok ice core from the Antarctica (Petit et al. 2001). The record spans over four glacial periods and five interglacials, including the present. The horizontal line indicates the modern temperature. The red square to the right indicates the time interval shown in greater detail in the following figure.
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    Re: Greenland’s Melting Ice Nears a ‘Tipping Point,’

    Quote Originally Posted by Media_Truth View Post
    I guess you threw in the towel on this thread. Raised the white flag. You started out refuting that the melting was occurring. Then you started talking about other reasons for the melting. And now you are saying it's OK if Greenland has a tropical climate.
    I think what he is pointing out is that people claiming they can control the climate is just silly.
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    Re: Greenland’s Melting Ice Nears a ‘Tipping Point,’

    Quote Originally Posted by Media_Truth View Post
    More critique from deniers who obviously haven't even read the article. Here is the source article than the New York Time referenced.

    Accelerating changes in ice mass within Greenland, and the ice sheet’s sensitivity to atmospheric forcing | PNAS

    The recent deglaciation of Greenland is a response to both oceanic and atmospheric forcings. From 2000 to 2010, ice loss was concentrated in the southeast and northwest margins of the ice sheet, in large part due to the increasing discharge of marine-terminating outlet glaciers, emphasizing the importance of oceanic forcing. However, the largest sustained (∼10 years) acceleration detected by Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment (GRACE) occurred in southwest Greenland, an area largely devoid of such glaciers. The sustained acceleration and the subsequent, abrupt, and even stronger deceleration were mostly driven by changes in air temperature and solar radiation. Continued atmospheric warming will lead to southwest Greenland becoming a major contributor to sea level rise.
    So it is slowly returning to a point of deglaciation most recently observed 600 years before the widespread use of Fossil Fuels?

    Interesting that we are returning to Climate normality again. Finally!
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    Re: Greenland’s Melting Ice Nears a ‘Tipping Point,’

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Jack is invested in creating doubt and it really does not matter how he does it.

    CO2 was in cigarette smoke.

    That's about the only connection between one campaign and the other.
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    Re: Greenland’s Melting Ice Nears a ‘Tipping Point,’

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Amazing. I haven't been to this thread in...weeks? but yet I see all of the exact same silly arguments being presented in the same desperate attempt to deny the obvious.
    What is the obvious that is being denied?

    That CO2 is the primary cause of Global Warming?

    That need not be denied. It is something that needs to be proven and it is unprovable.

    However, with that said, you are free to try.

    You might start with the Scientific Hypothesis presented on Global Warming with the test to falsify included.
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    Re: Greenland’s Melting Ice Nears a ‘Tipping Point,’

    Quote Originally Posted by Media_Truth View Post
    I'm not going to spend time looking at your organizations. Usually, when you quote from Scientists, it turns out that they are actually man-made climate change advocates. But you usually grab some sensationalist headline from the high schooler Watts, with your disassociated link. When your deception is called out, you simply dismiss it. You are tasked with the chore of explaining who these organizations are, and what their underlying viewpoints are... There's only two of them - it shouldn't be hard. After all, you quoted from them.
    Why is it that you continuously dismiss all of Jacks references, present none yourself using actual empirical data and then declare your loss a victory.

    Your's is an interesting delusion.
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    Re: Greenland’s Melting Ice Nears a ‘Tipping Point,’

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    CO2 was in cigarette smoke.

    That's about the only connection between one campaign and the other.
    You apparently don’t know about the Heartland Institute or Fred Seitz.

    Willful ignorance.
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    Re: Greenland’s Melting Ice Nears a ‘Tipping Point,’

    Quote Originally Posted by Media_Truth View Post
    I'm not going to spend time looking at your organizations. Usually, when you quote from Scientists, it turns out that they are actually man-made climate change advocates. But you usually grab some sensationalist headline from the high schooler Watts, with your disassociated link. When your deception is called out, you simply dismiss it. You are tasked with the chore of explaining who these organizations are, and what their underlying viewpoints are... There's only two of them - it shouldn't be hard. After all, you quoted from them.
    My goodness. I'm afraid you misunderstand your position. You're not in a position to "task" anyone.
    The organizations are named in the posts. Both are well known.
    Your challenge was that the organizations did not support the "reasoning" of my posts. That is self-evidently false because they sponsored the research I cited.
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