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    Re: Chuck Todd says his show is 'not going to give time to climate deniers'

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Case View Post
    The climate cult.
    Like the Evolution cult.

    Or electron orbital cult.
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    Re: Chuck Todd says his show is 'not going to give time to climate deniers'

    Quote Originally Posted by Quaestio View Post
    You think it's absurd? There are a handful of crank retired 'scientists' who claim on blogs that the earth's 'greenhouse' effect doesn't even exist. They are very popular with climate truthers/science deniers. Now THAT's what I would call absurd. It's on the same level of absurdity as flat-earthers. Would you invite one to be on the same program with an atmospheric physicist who has published hundreds of research papers on the topic?
    No but I would sure invite the scientist who has presented thoughtful and careful information that supports different scientific theories or rebuttal to theories proposed that could legitimately question the conclusions the AGW crowd is putting out there. I would invite the person who has researched all the many times the models have missed the marks that policymakers use to push their agendas. And I would have a hard time legitimately inviting those scientists who we now know deliberately skewed data in order to make it fit with the pro AGW doctrines.
    Whatever flaws or failings, I can support the sinner who gets it right in the end over the virtuous saint who doesn't have a clue how to get it done.
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    Re: Chuck Todd says his show is 'not going to give time to climate deniers'

    Leading German Climate Scientist Mojib Latif Caught Up In A Web Of Contradictions

    By P Gosselin on 8. January 2019

    At the end of the year, it’s usual to take a look back. That’s what we wish to do at this blog.
    Leading German climate scientist Mojib Latif made three historical statements in 2012 that are worth remembering. How much truth was there in his statements of that time?
    STATEMENT 1:
    Mojib Latif on December 4, 2012 in the talkshow “Pelzig hält sich”:
    I want to say one thing again. I would be glad if it were the sun. Then we really could do nothing. Yes. But it is not that. If you look at the sun’s radiation, the sun has been weaker for 50 years. And how is a weakening sun supposed to cause massive warming?”
    False. The sun has actually become stronger in the last 50 years when one considers the total solar irradiance (TSI – white curve in the diagram), which also includes cosmic rays and the solar magnetic field.

    Figure: Development of solar activity over the past 400 years. White curve shows total solar irradiance (TSI), yellow peaks mark sunspots. Source: PAGES2K website, downloaded in 2016.
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    Last edited by Jack Hays; 01-08-19 at 12:41 PM.
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    Re: Chuck Todd says his show is 'not going to give time to climate deniers'

    Quote Originally Posted by Quaestio View Post
    You think it's absurd? There are a handful of crank retired 'scientists' who claim on blogs that the earth's 'greenhouse' effect doesn't even exist. They are very popular with climate truthers/science deniers. Now THAT's what I would call absurd. It's on the same level of absurdity as flat-earthers. Would you invite one to be on the same program with an atmospheric physicist who has published hundreds of research papers on the topic?
    You guys are the flat earthers. You refuse to accept the new research that is in conflict with the ideas of the 70's and 80's.

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    Re: Chuck Todd says his show is 'not going to give time to climate deniers'

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    Who is claiming the greenhouse effect doesn't even exist?
    It's sensitivity is very much in question, but the idea that planets with atmospheres are warmer than gas less rocks is beyond question.
    The problem, as I see it is that those who follow the IPCC orthodoxy, think that belief in AGW is digital,
    you ether believe in AGW as the IPCC states it, or you are a denier.
    How sensitive the climate is to added CO2 is very subjective, since there is almost no empirical data showing an actual cause and effect,
    in a way in which all the known variables can be excluded.
    I would love to see Richard Lindzen debate James Hansen, on the topic of AGW!
    Hansen is too smart to debate other people knowledgeable on the topic. He knows the inconvenient facts. He chooses to ignore them out of activism.

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    Re: Chuck Todd says his show is 'not going to give time to climate deniers'

    From the link in #543:

    STATEMENT 2:
    Mojib Latif on December 4, 2012, in the talkshow “Pelzig hält sich“:
    Yes, you can quantify everything. That is, of course, a plain lie if it is claimed that we do not take the sun into account. There is no climate model that does not take the sun into account. I do not think we are fools. This somehow gives the impression that we are the biggest idiots of all time. It’s not like that.”
    False, Mr. Latif. A look at the radiation drive in the 5th IPCC Climate Report is enough to see that the sun plays almost no role in the models. CO2: 1.68 W/m2, sun: 0.05 W/m2. The sun is made practically as a non-factor in this.

    Figure: Radiation as a driver among the individual climate factors according to the 5th IPCC report. The sun plays practically no role in the IPCC.
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    STATEMENT 3:
    Mojib Latif in an interview with the Neuen Osnabrücker Zeitung (NOZ) on September 12, 2012:
    NOZ: Mr. Latif, does the sun more likely to contribute to global warming or the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide, CO2?
    LATIF: It’s a mix of both. It is clear that man has been responsible for more than half of the rise in temperature since the beginning of industrialization.”
    Just before that in the Austrian daily Austrian daily ‘Die Presse‘ (DP) on February 9, 2012, he said the following:
    DIE PRESSE: Back to the previous warming, 0.8 degrees for 100 years. For [Fritz] Vahrenholt, half comes from the sun. And at the IPCC everything comes from CO2?
    LATIF: No, the IPCC never said that. It is very careful and says that about half of the warming is anthropogenic.
    DIE PRESSE: Then it says the same as Vahrenholt?
    LATIF: Yes, that’s what drives me crazy: An exaggerated threat is built up and then torn up with great relish.”
    Again Latif is wrong. Here it’s enough to just look at the Special report of the IPCC concerning the 1.5°C target:
    Reflecting the long-term warming trend since pre-industrial times, the observed mean global surface temperature in the decade 2006-2015 was 0.87 °C (probably between 0.75 °C and 0.99 °C) higher than the average for the period 1850-1900 (very high confidence).
    Estimated anthropogenic global warming is consistent with the extent of observed warming within ±20% (likely range).”
    In other words: According to the IPCC, the total warming observed over the last 150 years is anthropogenic.
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    Three Latif statements, three times over the line.
    Is Latif’s criticism of the Die kalte Sonne book still valid under these circumstances? We would like to talk to Mojib Latif about it personally. After his earlier refusal, is he now perhaps ready for discussion? We hope for good climatic developments in 2019.
    We wish all Die kalte Sonne blog readers – and of course Mr. Latif – a Happy New Year!
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    Re: Chuck Todd says his show is 'not going to give time to climate deniers'

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Like the Evolution cult.

    Or electron orbital cult.
    Except that we understand electrons and evolution far better with solid quantifiable research, whereas the climate sciences are still very lacking, often with only one significant digit of accuracy... or less... with many variables.

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    Re: Chuck Todd says his show is 'not going to give time to climate deniers'

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Like the Evolution cult.

    Or electron orbital cult.
    No, members of those two cults however many there are, have no political base, no power
    and in any case, as far as I know, have no intention of taxing people, or requiring that they
    ride the bus, eat tofu, obtain a permit to have children, and show up on their 65th birthday
    at the euthanization center.
    Climatologists don't know what the temperature is today within ±0.5°C, and don't know
    what it was 100 years ago, but they know it's 0.8°C ±0.1°C hotter now than it was then.

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    Re: Chuck Todd says his show is 'not going to give time to climate deniers'

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    You guys are the flat earthers. You refuse to accept the new research that is in conflict with the ideas of the 70's and 80's.
    Many Trump supporters have lots of problems, and those deplorables are bringing those problems to us. They’re racists. They’re misogynists. They’re islamophobic. They're xenophobes and homophobes. And some, I assume, are good people.

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    Re: Chuck Todd says his show is 'not going to give time to climate deniers'

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Hansen is too smart to debate other people knowledgeable on the topic. He knows the inconvenient facts. He chooses to ignore them out of activism.
    Wrong.

    It’s because at this point, it’s like debating creationists.
    Many Trump supporters have lots of problems, and those deplorables are bringing those problems to us. They’re racists. They’re misogynists. They’re islamophobic. They're xenophobes and homophobes. And some, I assume, are good people.

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