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    Re: Chuck Todd says his show is 'not going to give time to climate deniers'

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    The worst aspect is how many we see justifying censorship. That attitude hold if it ain't their ox being gored. If it ever is ... watch out.
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    Re: Chuck Todd says his show is 'not going to give time to climate deniers'

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Ya know, I luvya but you're so very wrong.
    Not about Climate science being a science. It surely is. But if you have to censor those who actually practice science instead of defending your theory it has become an ideology.
    Zomg... Talk about "so very wrong"

    If CNN decides not to give air time to Flat Earthers, or tobacco industry lawyers who claim that cigarettes are harmless, or someone who claims to have invented a perpetual motion machine, or moon landing deniers, or Lizard People conspiracy theorists, or phrenologists, or homeopaths, or any other of a whole batch of thoroughly discredited ideas? That's not ideology or censorship. It's sanity.
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    Re: Chuck Todd says his show is 'not going to give time to climate deniers'

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Zomg... Talk about "so very wrong"

    If CNN decides not to give air time to Flat Earthers, or tobacco industry lawyers who claim that cigarettes are harmless, or someone who claims to have invented a perpetual motion machine, or moon landing deniers, or Lizard People conspiracy theorists, or phrenologists, or homeopaths, or any other of a whole batch of thoroughly discredited ideas? That's not ideology or censorship. It's sanity.
    And it has nothing to do with a legitimate alternative climate hypothesis.
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    Re: Chuck Todd says his show is 'not going to give time to climate deniers'

    “Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it.”
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    Re: Chuck Todd says his show is 'not going to give time to climate deniers'

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Zomg... Talk about "so very wrong"

    If CNN decides not to give air time to Flat Earthers, or tobacco industry lawyers who claim that cigarettes are harmless, or someone who claims to have invented a perpetual motion machine, or moon landing deniers, or Lizard People conspiracy theorists, or phrenologists, or homeopaths, or any other of a whole batch of thoroughly discredited ideas? That's not ideology or censorship. It's sanity.
    The insanity is on your side.


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    Re: Chuck Todd says his show is 'not going to give time to climate deniers'

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Your understanding of the adjustments is wrong.

    The adjustments actually increased past temperatures, and makes very small changes to current temperatures. Meaning that the adjustments show LESS warming, not more; and have become less pronounced over time. This is the opposite of what you'd do if you were engaged in an international conspiracy to make it look like there is more warming.




    The major temperature indexes are also actually quite close, even noting the higher levels of uncertainty in the early years of data collection.



    By the way, Tisdale seems to have (from what I can tell) no education or experience whatsoever in climate science. It's the usual denier nonsense that has no business in any real discussion of climate.
    Or your understanding of how the adjustments have differed from the raw data is wrong. The first chart you gave is unattributed AND it seems to be only one of the several land temperature record series used (the data set is unspecified). The other data sets are immaterial to the question of in which direction do the adjustments shift the raw data - they don't address adjustments.

    Therefore, given that your graphics datasets are either unspecified, unattributed, and/or immaterial it would seems your claim is unsupported. Therefore, here are Tisdale's graphic output again:




    Four different data sets with the net adjustment effects charted. And the trend lines included. Clearly in the earliest part of the record (the start point) three of the four data sets are below the zero point. Then two of the four deflate temperatures, but all establish trend lines significantly higher than that of the raw data.

    Curious how all the adjustments increase the speed of global warming...very...very...curious.

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    Re: Chuck Todd says his show is 'not going to give time to climate deniers'

    Quote Originally Posted by maxparrish View Post
    Or your understanding of how the adjustments have differed from the raw data is wrong. The first chart you gave is unattributed AND it seems to be only one of the several land temperature record series used (the data set is unspecified). The other data sets are immaterial to the question of in which direction do the adjustments shift the raw data - they don't address adjustments.

    Therefore, given that your graphics datasets are either unspecified, unattributed, and/or immaterial it would seems your claim is unsupported. Therefore, here are Tisdale's graphic output again:




    Four different data sets with the net adjustment effects charted. And the trend lines included. Clearly in the earliest part of the record (the start point) three of the four data sets are below the zero point. Then two of the four deflate temperatures, but all establish trend lines significantly higher than that of the raw data.

    Curious how all the adjustments increase the speed of global warming...very...very...curious.

    Oh. Well.

    It’s BOB TISDALE.

    Must be spot on. That guy’s a genius.
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    Re: Chuck Todd says his show is 'not going to give time to climate deniers'

    BY THE WAY VISBEK,

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Your understanding of the adjustments is wrong.

    The adjustments actually increased past temperatures, and makes very small changes to current temperatures. Meaning that the adjustments show LESS warming, not more; and have become less pronounced over time. This is the opposite of what you'd do if you were engaged in an international conspiracy to make it look like there is more warming.


    PS - I forgot to mention your largest blunder; not only is the data set unnamed in your chart, THE CHART PROVES WHAT I SAID. Adjustments didn't raise early temperatures, it LOWERED THEM to show MORE WARMING.

    THE RED LINE ADJUSTED IS BELOW THE RAW DATA, making the past look colder which steepens the trend line upward.

    So who does not understand, again?
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    Re: Chuck Todd says his show is 'not going to give time to climate deniers'

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    BY THE WAY VISBEK,




    PS - I forgot to mention your largest blunder; not only is the data set unnamed in your chart, THE CHART PROVES WHAT I SAID. Adjustments didn't raise early temperatures, it LOWERED THEM to show MORE WARMING.

    THE RED LINE ADJUSTED IS BELOW THE RAW DATA, making the past look colder which steepens the trend line upward.

    So who does not understand, again?
    Great point.

    You’re right.

    It’s a massive worldwide conspiracy.

    And some anonymous blogger under a pseudonym with no scientific background cracked it.

    Wow. Kudos to you for recognizing it- it takes someone real..special.. to find this stuff.
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    Re: Chuck Todd says his show is 'not going to give time to climate deniers'

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Great point.

    You’re right.

    It’s a massive worldwide conspiracy.

    And some anonymous blogger under a pseudonym with no scientific background cracked it.

    Wow. Kudos to you for recognizing it- it takes someone real..special.. to find this stuff.
    I doubt it's a pseudonym; he's a published author.
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