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IPCC Report: Trouble Ahead

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Five things we have learned from the IPCC report

The report's authors say that rapid changes must take place in four key parts of society:

energy generation
land use
cities
industry
Many people might think that they have little personal involvement with any of these - but the IPCC authors say that's not the case.

"It's not about remote science; it's about where we live and work," said Dr Debra Roberts.

"The energy we buy, we must be putting pressure on policymakers to make options available so that I can use renewable energy in my everyday life."
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Of course, the key to that is not living in denial.



The actual report:
IPCC - SR15
 
calamity said:
Five things we have learned from the IPCC report



Of course, the key to that is not living in denial.



The actual report:
IPCC - SR15
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Gosh.

It’s almost like virtually all scientists think AGW is going to be a major problem in the future.

Or maybe we will see a scientific society come out and criticize the report. Of course, since it seems like an overwhelmingly solid consensus, that probably won’t happen.

Well, at least we have a blizzard of denier blog cut and pasted to look forward to.
 
Threegoofs said:
Gosh.

It’s almost like virtually all scientists think AGW is going to be a major problem in the future.

Or maybe we will see a scientific society come out and criticize the report. Of course, since it seems like an overwhelmingly solid consensus, that probably won’t happen.

Well, at least we have a blizzard of denier blog cut and pasted to look forward to.
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You will see a bunch of hacks come out to criticize the report though.
 
It seems the Paris accord is now hopelessly optimistic in aiming to hold warming to 1.5C, it's looking more like 3C IF action is taken.
 
This report is foreboding
It tells us that successful change is dependent upon INDIVIDUALS making wise, informed decisions
Like that is going to happen
 
justabubba said:
This report is foreboding
It tells us that successful change is dependent upon INDIVIDUALS making wise, informed decisions
Like that is going to happen
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It's not. And, we know it.

One fallacy with the Libertarian dogma that stands out above all the other insanity of that political take is the notion that people are rational actors. I'd say that if history taught us anything--and, mind you, one has to actually have studied history to know it, which we know most libertarians and conservatives never have--it is that humans are not at all rational actors.

Their first inclination is to respond by emotion. Anyone watching a mob in action knows that. And, common sense should tell this to everyone. Why else would advertisers spend billions to convince someone that Coke tastes better than Pepsi?
 
calamity said:
Five things we have learned from the IPCC report



Of course, the key to that is not living in denial.



The actual report:
IPCC - SR15
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It's just BS, on an endless loop.

[FONT=&quot]Al Gore / Alarmism / IPCC[/FONT]
[h=1]The ever receding climate goalpost: IPCC and Al Gore “12 years to save the planet” (again)[/h][FONT=&quot]Ah, it’s beginning to sound like a broken record. The same message over and over again. It’s as if these folks don’t pay attention to history. The United Nations has once again issued another dire climate change report (SR15, see it here) claiming we must act before it’s too late. Summary here. In the meantime,…
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Jack Hays said:
It's just BS, on an endless loop.

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[/URL]Al Gore / Alarmism / IPCC[/FONT]
[h=1]The ever receding climate goalpost: IPCC and Al Gore “12 years to save the planet” (again)[/h][FONT="]Ah, it’s beginning to sound like a broken record. The same message over and over again. It’s as if these folks don’t pay attention to history. The United Nations has once again issued another dire climate change report (SR15, see it here) claiming we must act before it’s too late. Summary here. In the meantime,…
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We get it, Jack. You won't be getting on board with: "The energy we buy, we must be putting pressure on policymakers to make options available so that I can use renewable energy in my everyday life."
 
Threegoofs said:
Gosh.

It’s almost like virtually all scientists think AGW is going to be a major problem in the future.

Or maybe we will see a scientific society come out and criticize the report. Of course, since it seems like an overwhelmingly solid consensus, that probably won’t happen.

Well, at least we have a blizzard of denier blog cut and pasted to look forward to.
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Bigotry.
 
Manc Skipper said:
It seems the Paris accord is now hopelessly optimistic in aiming to hold warming to 1.5C, it's looking more like 3C IF action is taken.
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It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth.
 
justabubba said:
This report is foreboding
It tells us that successful change is dependent upon INDIVIDUALS making wise, informed decisions
Like that is going to happen
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People are already making wise, informed decisions. It's called 'the market'.
 
calamity said:
It's not. And, we know it.

One fallacy with the Libertarian dogma that stands out above all the other insanity of that political take is the notion that people are rational actors. I'd say that if history taught us anything--and, mind you, one has to actually have studied history to know it, which we know most libertarians and conservatives never have--it is that humans are not at all rational actors.

Their first inclination is to respond by emotion. Anyone watching a mob in action knows that. And, common sense should tell this to everyone. Why else would advertisers spend billions to convince someone that Coke tastes better than Pepsi?
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To make money, obviously.
 
calamity said:
We get it, Jack. You won't be getting on board with: "The energy we buy, we must be putting pressure on policymakers to make options available so that I can use renewable energy in my everyday life."
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Oil, natural gas and hydroelectric ARE renewable forms of energy. We already use them.
 
Jack Hays said:
It's just BS, on an endless loop.

[FONT=&quot]Al Gore / Alarmism / IPCC[/FONT]
[h=1]The ever receding climate goalpost: IPCC and Al Gore “12 years to save the planet” (again)[/h][FONT=&quot]Ah, it’s beginning to sound like a broken record. The same message over and over again. It’s as if these folks don’t pay attention to history. The United Nations has once again issued another dire climate change report (SR15, see it here) claiming we must act before it’s too late. Summary here. In the meantime,…
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If there’s anyone who knows BS in an endless loop.... it’s you.
 
Here's some action that individuals AND farmers can start taking. For the latter, there might not be much choice in all actuality, because we're running out of decent soil. Either farmers figure out that they need to start putting stuff back in, or they will no longer be getting much out.

Dirt Rich - The science of biochar explained

Hey, give it a few minutes, it's actually a very enjoyable film.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Here's some action that individuals AND farmers can start taking. For the latter, there might not be much choice in all actuality, because we're running out of decent soil.
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Nope. Soil is continually made.
jaeger19 said:
Either farmers figure out that they need to start putting stuff back in, or they will no longer be getting much out.
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Putting carbon dioxide into the soil does not help the soil. If anything, it may slightly reduce the pH.
 
Into the Night said:
Oil, natural gas and hydroelectric ARE renewable forms of energy. We already use them.
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Petroleum and nat gas aren't renewable.

re·new·a·ble
rəˈn(y)o͞oəb(ə)
adjective
(a natural resource or source of energy) not depleted when used.
 
Into the Night said:
Nope. Soil is continually made.

Putting carbon dioxide into the soil does not help the soil. If anything, it may slightly reduce the pH.
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You didn't read anything or watch the video. Biochar is about more than just carbon sequestration.
And I said "decent" soil.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Petroleum and nat gas aren't renewable.

re·new·a·ble
rəˈn(y)o͞oəb(ə)
adjective
(a natural resource or source of energy) not depleted when used.
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lol...unbelievable! Someone thinking that oil and gas are renewable. /facepalm
 
calamity said:
lol...unbelievable! Someone thinking that oil and gas are renewable. /facepalm
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Cornucopeans? There's a lot of them out there.
Robert Rapier, globally acclaimed petroleum, nat gas and renewables expert, has had a ten thousand dollar bet going for over a decade to anyone who can demonstrate an abiotic petroleum well that can consistently produce twelve thousand barrels a day for over two years.

Twelve thousand is chicken feed, by the way.

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And, it's not that abiotic oil is impossible, reports say that Titan, one of Saturn's moons, might just be mostly MADE OF abiotic oil.
But here on Earth, unless you can drill down twenty miles or so below the mantle, you're not going to find any.

Cornucopeans generally think that God blessed the Earth with continually replenishing supplies of abiotic oil.
 
1.5 degrees

Posted on October 8, 2018 by curryja | 53 comments
by Judith Curry
The IPCC Special Report on Global Warming of 1.5C is now published [link].
Continue reading →

". . . IMO, even with erroneous attribution of extreme weather/climate events and projections using climate models that are running too hot and not fit for purpose of projecting 21st century climate change, the IPCC still has not made a strong case for this massive investment to prevent 1.5C warming."

 
Jack Hays said:
1.5 degrees

[FONT=&]Posted on October 8, 2018 by curryja | 53 comments[/FONT]
by Judith Curry
The IPCC Special Report on Global Warming of 1.5C is now published [link].
Continue reading →

". . . IMO, even with erroneous attribution of extreme weather/climate events and projections using climate models that are running too hot and not fit for purpose of projecting 21st century climate change, the IPCC still has not made a strong case for this massive investment to prevent 1.5C warming."
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lol....it's ****ing 80 degrees at 10PM in Ohio on Oct 8. Nothing to see here. Move along. :lol:
 
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