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IPCC Report: Trouble Ahead

KLATTU said:
Nevertrumpers don't always vote for Dems, they just don't vote for him.
Not likely I would vote Dem with current crop of far left loons running the party., but it could happen. I voted for Cory Booker. Whew boy, huge mistake. Would have voted for Steve Sweeney for gov.

I could possibly have voted for a dope like Biden if he would have run against Trump. Lesser of two evils and all that.
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Yeah, yeah. I hear it all the time. "I do not support Trump."

Yeah, but you all voted for him because otherwise Gary Johnson would have received 100 million votes.
 
Jack Hays said:
It's just BS, on an endless loop.

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trouble ahead trouble behind casey jones you better check your speed.
 
calamity said:
Yeah, yeah. I hear it all the time. "I do not support Trump."

Yeah, but you all voted for him because otherwise Gary Johnson would have received 100 million votes.
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I didn't vote for anybody.Abstained.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Petroleum and nat gas aren't renewable.

re·new·a·ble
rəˈn(y)o͞oəb(ə)
adjective
(a natural resource or source of energy) not depleted when used.
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Yes they are. Oil and natural gas are continually made by the Earth itself. It does not come from dinosaurs. See the Fischer-Tropsche process for an introduction to this.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
You didn't read anything or watch the video. Biochar is about more than just carbon sequestration.
And I said "decent" soil.
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Decent soil is made continually all the time. It is also a renewable resource.

I don't waste my time watching such videos. It you want to discuss a subject, make your argument here. Holy Links, Holy Quotes, and Holy Videos just indicate that you have no mind of your own and you have to parrot the arguments of others.
 
calamity said:
lol...unbelievable! Someone thinking that oil and gas are renewable. /facepalm
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Yup. It's renewable. We can and do make both from non-biological sources on an industrial basis. The conditions for making it occur naturally underground. The Earth makes more natural gas and oil in exactly the same way we do.
 
calamity said:
Yeah, right. Like you were ever going to vote Democrat.
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But instead of an absent vote, it's a republican vote.

Is the impact of that too difficult to understand? Multiplied by how many people?
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Cornucopeans? There's a lot of them out there.
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And, it's not that abiotic oil is impossible, reports say that Titan, one of Saturn's moons, might just be mostly MADE OF abiotic oil.
But here on Earth, unless you can drill down twenty miles or so below the mantle, you're not going to find any.
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Oil is closest to the surface near the edges of tectonic plates, especially where spreading action is taking place. However, if you drill deep enough, you WILL find oil anywhere. It doesn't have to be twenty miles either. If you examine where the major oil fields are, they all tend to be located in just such a position.
 
Northern Light said:
You just have to look at local weather patterns everywhere to know that the report is true.
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Void argument. Vague subject.
Northern Light said:
More and stronger hurricanes.
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There is no increase in the number or frequency of hurricanes. See the historical data at the National Hurricane Center.
Northern Light said:
Recording breaking temperatures.
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Not unusual. That happens all the time without your religion.
Northern Light said:
Flooding.
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Subject. Void argument.
Northern Light said:
Severe drought in other areas.
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Subjective. Void argument.
Northern Light said:
I don't really care what the ignorant or denialists think.
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You should. You are ignorant and you deny the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics, the Stefan-Boltzmann law, and statistical mathematics.
Northern Light said:
The government knows the truth,
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! :lamo
Northern Light said:
as do the vast majority of scientists.
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Argument from randU fallacy and bigotry. Science isn't scientists, dude. The theories of science you are denying speak for themselves. Science is a set of falsifiable theories. It is not any scientist or group of scientists. It is not even people at all.
Northern Light said:
However, if governments keep pushing the reckless capitalism model without factoring in environmental costs,
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Capitalism and environment are unrelated. You are just pushing Marxism.
Northern Light said:
we are doomed.
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We are still here. We are having more fun, are living longer, healthier lives, have better ways of getting around, and whole industries to employ people.
Northern Light said:
Money isn't real.
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Yes it is. Money has two characteristics that make it money. 1) a store of value (you can exchange it for goods and wealth). 2) a unit of account (you can quantify a price). It doesn't matter if it's gold, silver, seashells, pretty rocks, bits of paper, or just bits on a disc somewhere.
Northern Light said:
Nature is.
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Yes it is. Bet you can't describe what it is though!
 
CanadaJohn said:
As a Canadian, living in a country where we are a net negative when it comes to CO2 contributions to climate change,
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CO2 is not capable of warming the Earth. No gas or vapor is capable of warming the Earth. Define 'climate change'. This is a meaningless buzzword. No one has been able to define it other than by itself.
CanadaJohn said:
I'm one of millions who believe the science
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There is no science. Science has no theories based on buzzwords.
CanadaJohn said:
and yet strongly oppose the remedies proposed.
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Good.
CanadaJohn said:
While the three largest net contributors to man made climate change are allowed to skate by,
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Define 'climate change' You can't 'contribute' to a buzzword.
CanadaJohn said:
their economies suffering no ill effects,
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I don't think you've paying much attention to what's happening in world trade.
CanadaJohn said:
we are expected to reduce our lifestyle and wealth while pouring money into government coffers to be distributed elsewhere around the world.
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Sucks to live without a constitution, doesn't it?
CanadaJohn said:
The majority of us now say **** that.
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Good. It's unfortunate your voice is not being heard by your government.
CanadaJohn said:
We'll continue to do our individual parts in environmentally friendly ways,
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What 'part' is that. 'Climate change' is a meaningless buzzword. I suppose you could start by actually trying to define it.
CanadaJohn said:
but we refuse governments taxing us to death to pay for inefficient alternatives that are doing virtually nothing
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Good luck with that!
CanadaJohn said:
to address the global causes.
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There is no 'global cause'. The phrase 'climate change' doesn't mean anything. It's a buzzword.
 
Northern Light said:
That's nice. Your full time job is spreading denialist propaganda and bad science (probably paid for) so I'm not particularly interested in much of what you have to say. You're on the wrong side of history. :shrug:
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Inversion fallacy. It is YOU that is denying science. Specifically, YOU deny the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law. YOU also deny statistical mathematics.
 
calamity said:
Easily predictable future. When millennials tell stories of the “Boomers” to their own grandchildren, as they sit around one of the few remaining water holes that isn’t radioactive,
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All bars are radioactive. They have people in them.
calamity said:
they will describe them as monsters who selfishly consumed everything in their path; creatures of gluttony, who triggered the Great Resource War which destroyed their beautiful planet. Write it down.
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Guess what? A lot of millennials. think the Church of Global Warming is BS. Go stuff your bigotry elsewhere.
 
calamity said:
I'd love to know where the idea of "continued falling temperatures" is coming from. Every source I have found which is even remotely legit shows reams of data saying the exact opposite. Of course, if someone wants to point to slightly lower temperatures this year than last while ignoring that this year's temperatures are much higher than the last "cooling" year, well...then I guess you get Jack.
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It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth.
 
calamity said:
Why, you had the votes from day one. It was stupid Republicans who shot themselves in the foot by alienating more women from the party of Orange con men. Hell, we just acquired the votes of Taylor Swift. We chip away at the clown show one white former Republican-voting woman at a time.
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Women who voted for Trump are not being alienated by those who voted for Trump. They ARE some of the people that voted for Trump.
 
Into the Night said:
Yes they are. Oil and natural gas are continually made by the Earth itself. It does not come from dinosaurs. See the Fischer-Tropsche process for an introduction to this.
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I'm actually pretty well schooled in the Fischer-Tropsch process but that doesn't change the fact that abiotic oil does not exist in large amounts and it is not infinitely replenished. As I mentioned earlier, Robert Rapier has that ten thousand dollar bet.
Why don't you go collect if you're so sure of your cornucopean theory?

But more to the point, if continually replenishing abiotic oil is a fact, where is it?

If I had to bet $1, I’d say that there probably is some abiotic oil in the ground somewhere on the planet. But until we see not just oil wells extracting it, but a sustained production rate of usable oil high enough to make a difference in the peak scenarios put forth by people I trust (e.g. Simmons, Skrebowski), then it makes no difference whatsoever. In fact, until abiotic oil’s contribution reaches that level of significance it’s nothing more than an academic curiosity, a fine enough topic for dorm room or blog discussions, but little else.
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Peak-oil refers to the irrefutable fact that oil-wells are discovered, tapped, drained, then abandoned. And if something like “abiotic” oil is mysteriously refilling them, it’s painfully slow.
So that begs the question, HOW FAST ARE these wells replenishing themselves?
And which ones? All of them or just some of them? The ones God has blessed or the ones blessed by Allah?

Show me the abiotic oil.
 
Into the Night said:
Yup. It's renewable. We can and do make both from non-biological sources on an industrial basis.
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Yes, and it's even possible to use caviar to make fake crab meat but that doesn't mean that it's economically feasible enough to do away with price speculation or else that's exactly what would happen. The notion that oil is continually replenished would have significant effects on the global market.
Into the Night said:
The conditions for making it occur naturally underground. The Earth makes more natural gas and oil in exactly the same way we do.
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Stop making excuses and show us where all this continually replenished oil is coming from.
It's your fantasy, you back it up.
And stop poo-pooing because you're incapable of comprehending ten minutes of explanation in an online resource.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Yes, and it's even possible to use caviar to make fake crab meat but that doesn't mean that it's economically feasible enough to do away with price speculation or else that's exactly what would happen. The notion that oil is continually replenished would have significant effects on the global market.


Stop making excuses and show us where all this continually replenished oil is coming from.
It's your fantasy, you back it up.
And stop poo-pooing because you're incapable of comprehending ten minutes of explanation in an online resource.
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LOL.

It’s not possible to measure the amount of oil in the ground. Pennzoil fallacy. Abiotic oil violates the Stefan-Boltzmann law, and replenishing oil is a circular definition.

And I have a friend with a different IP address that will back me up on this, I swear.
 
Threegoofs said:
LOL.

It’s not possible to measure the amount of oil in the ground. Pennzoil fallacy. Abiotic oil violates the Stefan-Boltzmann law, and replenishing oil is a circular definition.

And I have a friend with a different IP address that will back me up on this, I swear.
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It's indeed possible to measure "recoverable reserves" and it's also possible to measure "discovered reserves" but the reason most (read: 99.999%) of all oil is BIOTIC is because of the other elements that are found with it.
Abiotic oil can form, but that's not where we get our oil. People who are peddling abiotic oil origins are peddling junk science.
People who peddle so called "cornucopean" (continually replenishing) oil are also peddling junk science.

Forget Rapier's little wager, the entire speculative community is willing to fork over trainloads of cash to ANYONE who can point to a series of continually replenishing abiotic wells capable of posting significant output. Rapier's ten grand is small potatoes compared to what the global market would offer.
Proving the existence of continually replenishing abiotic petroleum wells is bigger than proving cold fusion, at least right at the moment, because in a sense, we are "one cubic mile from total energy freedom" at any point in a year's time.

So where is it?
 
Into the Night said:
Yes they are. Oil and natural gas are continually made by the Earth itself. It does not come from dinosaurs. See the Fischer-Tropsche process for an introduction to this.
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I've looked this up before. I would challenge you to show how this process will produce enough oil to power the US. Or easier yet - just show how it could power the vehicles in your city.
 
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