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Save Earth: Attack Christmas

Into the Night said:
So you DON'T want to 'save the Earth' by killing people or preventing them from breeding. Right?
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I have no authority to prevent anyone from breeding, nor to steal Leonardo DeCaprio's yacht, nor to tell people what they must do on Christmas.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Irrelevant...
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Not irrelevant - you made an incomplete statement, which on the surface, would be false. Explain or defend it.

https://www.benefitsof.org/what-are-the-benefits-of-paying-taxes/
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About as complete as the first statement you made. Anything other than infrastructure and protection of the country and it's citizens, are not general welfare. Others that are supported based on humanity, are not mandatory.

Considering the entity receiving tax monies also pay themselves, they have a profit basis that underlies their 'right' to tax, so the higher the tax, the more they can pay themselves.

Your response fails.
 
Into the Night said:
No, it's complete. The context is unknown to you. He is talking about worms in acidic soil.
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Earthworms will seek out their preferred soil pH (more alkaline). If forced and retained in an acid soil, they would die, but they wouldn't go there under natural circumstances anyway.

Sort like saying humans are dead without oxygen.
 
RobertU said:
The Earth would be a lot cleaner place if we eliminated gift-giving on Christmas.

Household waste increases by 25 percent between Thanksgiving and New Year’s Day: an extra one million tons a week in US landfills, much of it merchandise boxes, gift wrapping and discarded Xmas trees.

Nearly 60 percent of Americans receive unwanted gifts during the holidays, of which $90 billion worth are returned. And half of that winds up in landfills because it is often cheaper for a retailer to trash an item than resell it. That’s a lot of energy and resources totally wasted.

Sources:
https://www.care2.com/greenliving/holiday-waste-6-million-tons-of-trash-to-landfills.html
https://money.cnn.com/2017/12/26/news/retail-returns-landfill/index.html

And, of course, there are the millions of gallons of gas consumed by people shopping for gifts.

One way to alleviate the problem is to buy people gift cards that are redeemable at “big box” stores so people can use the cards to buy essentials like groceries and take their time to buy what they really want or need.

Or, as a culture, we could celebrate Christmas more like Thanksgiving and reserve gift giving for birthdays.
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I stopped buying for adults a few years ago. The last two years I have given my younger nieces and nephews gift certificates for audio books, they are hit!
 
HonestJoe said:
Why do Thanksgiving and birthdays get a free break? Thanksgiving still has people buying much more food that they need and lots of unnecessary travelling and birthday presents aren't necessarily any less wasteful than Christmas ones. By your argument, we should be avoiding celebrating all of these holidays and events.

More seriously, we could look at reducing the unnecessary waste and damage while maintaining the obvious social benefits of celebrating holidays in the first place. Fewer, better considered gifts, more efficient packaging and wrapping, more consideration of the amount and types of food and a better focus on recycling and reuse. In fact, the same kind of things we would be better off doing all year around.
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The reuse of gift bags year after year, is a family joke with in my tribe. But, it saves on gift paper and is a form of recycling.
 
GottaGo said:
Earthworms will seek out their preferred soil pH (more alkaline). If forced and retained in an acid soil, they would die, but they wouldn't go there under natural circumstances anyway.

Sort like saying humans are dead without oxygen.
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No, they don't die. They don't really care. I can find earthworms with no problem right under my cedar tree (which produces acid soil).
 
RobertU said:
The Earth would be a lot cleaner place if we eliminated gift-giving on Christmas.

Household waste increases by 25 percent between Thanksgiving and New Year’s Day: an extra one million tons a week in US landfills, much of it merchandise boxes, gift wrapping and discarded Xmas trees.

Nearly 60 percent of Americans receive unwanted gifts during the holidays, of which $90 billion worth are returned. And half of that winds up in landfills because it is often cheaper for a retailer to trash an item than resell it. That’s a lot of energy and resources totally wasted.

Sources:
https://www.care2.com/greenliving/holiday-waste-6-million-tons-of-trash-to-landfills.html
https://money.cnn.com/2017/12/26/news/retail-returns-landfill/index.html

And, of course, there are the millions of gallons of gas consumed by people shopping for gifts.

One way to alleviate the problem is to buy people gift cards that are redeemable at “big box” stores so people can use the cards to buy essentials like groceries and take their time to buy what they really want or need.

Or, as a culture, we could celebrate Christmas more like Thanksgiving and reserve gift giving for birthdays.
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Sounds like hippie bullcrap.

Gift giving among adults is dumb if it's between anyone other than husband and wife.

Like, I'd rather my in-laws just not buy me anything than them waste their money on crap I don't want and me waste my money on crap they don't want.

Gifts for the kids is really all it should be.
 
yankintx said:
The reuse of gift bags year after year, is a family joke with in my tribe. But, it saves on gift paper and is a form of recycling.
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Gift paper is a form of recycling also. Farmers raise the trees used to make paper. The paper, after it is used it is put into a landfill, which helps to produce soil. A finished landfill becomes a park or a golf course. If you live in a foreign country like California, they use polluting plants to try to recycle the paper directly.
 
HealthOvaWealth said:
Sounds like hippie bullcrap.
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It is. Good call. It is also atheism bullcrap.
HealthOvaWealth said:
Gift giving among adults is dumb if it's between anyone other than husband and wife.
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Don't think so. I give gifts to my friends each year. I also give gifts to my kids, which are adults now.
HealthOvaWealth said:
Like, I'd rather my in-laws just not buy me anything than them waste their money on crap I don't want and me waste my money on crap they don't want.
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A gift is given not out of obligation, but out of charity. No one should be compelled to give a gift. Such a gift is valueless.
HealthOvaWealth said:
Gifts for the kids is really all it should be.
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Same principle applies. Age of the receiver makes no difference. A gift is given with no expectation of a debt that is owed.
 
GottaGo said:
Not irrelevant - you made an incomplete statement, which on the surface, would be false. Explain or defend it.

About as complete as the first statement you made. Anything other than infrastructure and protection of the country and it's citizens, are not general welfare. Others that are supported based on humanity, are not mandatory.

Considering the entity receiving tax monies also pay themselves, they have a profit basis that underlies their 'right' to tax, so the higher the tax, the more they can pay themselves.

Your response fails.
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Whether a statement is complete or incomplete is irrelevant. What matters is the information provided within that statement.
 
GottaGo said:
Well, now that we clarified that, what were you saying?
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That it is clearly a complicated issue and one that merits more attention because it is our children that will pay the price.,..
 
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