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Eschatology and Global Warming

So what ECS has the IPCC settled on for doubling the CO2 level?
AR5 said they did not have a best estimate, and the range was the same as it had been in 1979! (1.5 to 4.5 C)

Odd that you would ask a question and then answer it in the next sentence.

Your obsession with the statement is noted. Strange that you ignore all the stuff they also say.
 
Odd that you would ask a question and then answer it in the next sentence.

Your obsession with the statement is noted. Strange that you ignore all the stuff they also say.
Odd that you would attach the word "settled" to a sensitivity that is in no scientific way, "settled"!
 
Odd that you would attach the word "settled" to a sensitivity that is in no scientific way, "settled"!

Again, the basic stuff is settled.

You’re pointing to stuff that is not settled- precise quantification.

Yet you just blow past the important things.
 
Again, the basic stuff is settled.

You’re pointing to stuff that is not settled- precise quantification.

Yet you just blow past the important things.

Please, in your own words describe what basic stuff you think is settled?
 
I see no reason to type out a bunch of stuff you’ll just dismiss out of hand snywsy.

Read the SPM
Clearly if you think the science is settled, you can describe which portion of it you think is settled.
 
Hint: ‘extremely likely’ ‘high confidence’ and ‘highly likely’
Words which have limited meaning without data to support them.
But how ‘extremely likely’ ‘high confidence’ and ‘highly likely’ is the IPCC that the final number for ECS
will be something other than the low end of the range?
 
Words which have limited meaning without data to support them.
But how ‘extremely likely’ ‘high confidence’ and ‘highly likely’ is the IPCC that the final number for ECS
will be something other than the low end of the range?

Read the ****ing SPM. I’m not referring to your obsession with ECS, rainman.
 
Read the ****ing SPM. I’m not referring to your obsession with ECS, rainman.
Everything, in AGW is a factor of ECS, and the Summary for Policy makers should reflect this, and the uncertainties.
Quite a few Scientist have resigned from the IPCC, based on the SPM not reflecting the actual reports,
specifically the amounts of uncertainties.
 
Again, the basic stuff is settled.

You’re pointing to stuff that is not settled- precise quantification.

Yet you just blow past the important things.

Settled...


LOL...

D-K curve...
 
I see no reason to type out a bunch of stuff you’ll just dismiss out of hand snywsy.

Read the SPM

How about proving your point by quoting the pertinent paragraph.
 
A new angle on the non-scientific roots of AGW alarmism.

". . . Whether its goal was curbing anthropogenic global cooling or global warming, the pessimist narrative’s endgame was always to institute top-down expert controls over population and centrally limit the human impetus to grow, create and aspire to change. In effect, the pessimist goal was to combat and control the optimist narrative through fear and discrediting its foundational impulses."


Was climate change alarmism always about fears of overpopulation?

by Pierre Desrochers and Joanna Szurmak [Note: The following text is adapted from the authors’ recently published book Population Bombed! Exploding the Link Between Overpopulation and Climate Change in which the validity of the belief in the inherent unsustainability of economic growth is challenged more thoroughly.] Numerous population control advocates have linked anthropogenic climate change…
 
A new angle on the non-scientific roots of AGW alarmism.

[FONT=&]". . . Whether its goal was curbing anthropogenic global cooling or global warming, the pessimist narrative’s endgame was always to institute top-down expert controls over population and centrally limit the human impetus to grow, create and aspire to change. In effect, the pessimist goal was to combat and control the optimist narrative through fear and discrediting its foundational impulses."[/FONT]

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Was climate change alarmism always about fears of overpopulation?

[FONT=&]by Pierre Desrochers and Joanna Szurmak [Note: The following text is adapted from the authors’ recently published book Population Bombed! Exploding the Link Between Overpopulation and Climate Change in which the validity of the belief in the inherent unsustainability of economic growth is challenged more thoroughly.] Numerous population control advocates have linked anthropogenic climate change…
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Population control does seem to be an undercurrent in most of the solutions proposed.
 
Population control does seem to be an undercurrent in most of the solutions proposed.

The posted essay is one of the more interesting things I've read on the topic. It will therefore be ignored by our "eyes wide shut" AGW alarmist posters.
 
[h=2]FAZ Commentary: Germany Caught Up In Climate Protection Zeal… “Illusion It Can Rescue Planet”[/h]By P Gosselin on 16. February 2019


German flagship daily Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ) publisher Holger Steltzner wrote in an online commentary that the rescue of the global climate” has turned into a religious movement for “a large portion of German society”.
In his commentary, Steltzner remarks that even questioning the hundreds of billions spent thus far with hardly any progress in CO2 reductions to show is enough to get yourself branded as a heretic.
Freedom of dissent under attack
The FAZ publisher also questions the branding skeptics of manmade global warming as “climate deniers”, thus comparing them to Holocaust-deniers. He wonders: “Is this just the thoughtless use of language that abuses the historical break with civilization of the Shoah through banalization?”
Dissent over climate science in Germany is harshly scorned and the media and science community do not tolerate it. . . .
 
I have long been intrigued by the incongruity of anthropogenic global warming's surprisingly thin evidence base and the adamancy of its advocates.

Are you being payed or something? The evidence is overwhelming.

Our Changing Climate - Fourth National Climate Assessment
https://science2017.globalchange.gov/downloads/CSSR2017_FullReport.pdf

Go ahead, try to debunk or refute specific passages from these reports and source published/peer-reviewed papers directly saying how said passages are wrong.


And there is a widespread scientific consensus, due to this massive evidence:

Scientific Consensus | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet
Scientists Agree: Global Warming is Happening and Humans are the Primary Cause | Union of Concerned Scientists
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002/pdf



And why do you keep linking conspiracy blogs that get fact checked (BY THE AUTHORS OF THE PAPERS THEY CITE) as BS?

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/400-papers-published-in-2017-prove-that-global-warming-is-myth/
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/scientific-papers-global-warming-myth/
 
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Are you being payed or something? The evidence is overwhelming.

Our Changing Climate - Fourth National Climate Assessment
https://science2017.globalchange.gov/downloads/CSSR2017_FullReport.pdf

Go ahead, try to debunk or refute specific passages from these reports and source published/peer-reviewed papers directly saying how said passages are wrong.


And there is a widespread scientific consensus, due to this massive evidence:

Scientific Consensus | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet
Scientists Agree: Global Warming is Happening and Humans are the Primary Cause | Union of Concerned Scientists
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002/pdf

I'm sorry that you trust government funded agencies.
 
Are you being payed or something? The evidence is overwhelming.

Our Changing Climate - Fourth National Climate Assessment
https://science2017.globalchange.gov/downloads/CSSR2017_FullReport.pdf

Go ahead, try to debunk or refute specific passages from these reports and source published/peer-reviewed papers directly saying how said passages are wrong.


And there is a widespread scientific consensus, due to this massive evidence:

Scientific Consensus | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet
Scientists Agree: Global Warming is Happening and Humans are the Primary Cause | Union of Concerned Scientists
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002/pdf

I already dealt with NCA4 in another thread.
As for consensus:

I want to pause here and talk about this notion of consensus, and the rise of what has been called consensus science. I regard consensus science as an extremely pernicious development that ought to be stopped cold in its tracks. Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled.
Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something or other, reach for your wallet, because you’re being had.
Let’s be clear: the work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world. In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus.

Michael Crichton
CalTech Michelin Lecture, 2003
 
I already dealt with NCA4 in another thread.
As for consensus:

I want to pause here and talk about this notion of consensus, and the rise of what has been called consensus science. I regard consensus science as an extremely pernicious development that ought to be stopped cold in its tracks. Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled.
Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something or other, reach for your wallet, because you’re being had.
Let’s be clear: the work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world. In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus.

Michael Crichton
CalTech Michelin Lecture, 2003

1. You dealt with nothing. In no way did you refute those 1500+ combined pages and 13 federal agencies by linking a confirmed conspiracy blog.

2. Cool. A Micheal Chrichton quote from 2003. But over 90% of climate scientists still think AGW is real due to the massive evidence.
 
I'm sorry that you trust government funded agencies.

Then you'll be able to tell me the incorrect data used by directly refuting specific passages. Is the Trump administration really lying to us!?

I await your rebuttal.
 
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