[W:1458] Atmospheric CO2 Tops 408 PPM

Jack Hays · May 9, 2020

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Buzz said:
You're just mad I debunked another of your stupid cut and pastes.

Don't you even get tired of being proven wrong?

Actually, the Heartland expose stands as a devastating refutation of the article in question.

Jack Hays · May 9, 2020

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Threegoofs said:
Jack and a bunch of uneducated bloggers report published study done by expert PhDs and approved by both journal editors and peer reviewers is ‘propaganda crap’.

Brilliant as usual.

History is replete with examples of crap produced by highly educated fools.

Buzz · May 9, 2020

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Jack Hays said:
Actually, the Heartland expose stands as a devastating refutation of the article in question.

More like a gross mischaracterization.

Jack Hays · May 9, 2020

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Buzz said:
More like a gross mischaracterization.

The PNAS paper is beyond parody.

Threegoofs · May 9, 2020

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Jack Hays said:
History is replete with examples of crap produced by highly educated fools.

So is this section of DP. Especially the cut and pastes.

Buzz · May 9, 2020

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Jack Hays said:
The PNAS paper is beyond parody.

And this is where your arguments in defense of the indefensible devolve into a string of non-sensical comments that don't prove anything.

Jack Hays · May 9, 2020

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Buzz said:
And this is where your arguments in defense of the indefensible devolve into a string of non-sensical comments that don't prove anything.

Well, no. The case against the PNAS paper was made in full and stands unrefuted. You can continue as long as you want with your zombie arguments but they don't change anything.

Buzz · May 9, 2020

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Jack Hays said:
Well, no. The case against the PNAS paper was made in full and stands unrefuted. You can continue as long as you want with your zombie arguments but they don't change anything.

Yup... another non-sensical comment that doesn't prove anything.

Jack Hays · May 9, 2020

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Buzz said:
Yup... another non-sensical comment that doesn't prove anything.

There's nothing more to prove.

[FONT=&quot]". . . My view, this kind of study is what happens when a bunch of scientists based in temperate climates didn’t enjoy their last Caribbean holiday.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]There is substantial evidence the “optimum” described in the study is a historical accident. There are plenty of cultures like Thailand and India, which built large populous nations with big cities, even conquered empires, without the “benefits” of a temperate climate, not to mention wealthy modern day tropical nations like Singapore, Malaysia and increasingly Indonesia. . . . "[/FONT]

Climate Claim: By 2070 Average Temperatures be “Unsuitable for Human Life to Flourish”

Guest essay by Eric Worrall According to a new study, people don’t thrive in places where the average annual temperature is higher than 15C / 59F. Unsuitable for ‘human life to flourish’: Up to 3B will live in extreme heat by 2070, study warns Doyle Rice USA TODAYMay 4, 2020 By 2070, up to 3…

5 days ago May 4, 2020 in Alarmism.

Buzz · May 9, 2020

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Jack Hays said:
There's nothing more to prove.

[FONT=&quot]". . . My view, this kind of study is what happens when a bunch of scientists based in temperate climates didn’t enjoy their last Caribbean holiday.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]There is substantial evidence the “optimum” described in the study is a historical accident. There are plenty of cultures like Thailand and India, which built large populous nations with big cities, even conquered empires, without the “benefits” of a temperate climate, not to mention wealthy modern day tropical nations like Singapore, Malaysia and increasingly Indonesia. . . . "[/FONT]

Climate Claim: By 2070 Average Temperatures be “Unsuitable for Human Life to Flourish”

Guest essay by Eric Worrall According to a new study, people don’t thrive in places where the average annual temperature is higher than 15C / 59F. Unsuitable for ‘human life to flourish’: Up to 3B will live in extreme heat by 2070, study warns Doyle Rice USA TODAYMay 4, 2020 By 2070, up to 3…

5 days ago May 4, 2020 in Alarmism.

Nice.

Another denialist misrepresentation of the study in question.

This article is also mixing up the two different ranges of temperatures and making it look like they are the same when they are not.

Check out this map from the study in question:

According to the study, the black areas are what is "unlivable" now. And the areas with the black shading are what they say may be "unlivable" in 2070.

Seriously, Jack... not only are you defending a bunch of BS but you are pushing it as well.

Jack Hays · May 9, 2020

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Buzz said:
Nice.

Another denialist misrepresentation of the study in question.

This article is also mixing up the two different ranges of temperatures and making it look like they are the same when they are not.

Check out this map from the study in question:

View attachment 67280153

According to the study, the black areas are what is "unlivable" now. And the areas with the black shading are what they say may be "unlivable" in 2070.

Seriously, Jack... not only are you defending a bunch of BS but you are pushing it as well.

The critique is fair. The PNAS paper is ridiculous.

Buzz · May 9, 2020

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Jack Hays said:
The critique is fair. The PNAS paper is ridiculous.

And yet another non-sensical comment that doesn't prove or disprove anything.

Bergslagstroll · May 10, 2020

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Threegoofs said:
Jack and a bunch of uneducated bloggers report published study done by expert PhDs and approved by both journal editors and peer reviewers is ‘propaganda crap’.

Brilliant as usual.

Buzz said:
Nice.

Another denialist misrepresentation of the study in question.

This article is also mixing up the two different ranges of temperatures and making it look like they are the same when they are not.

Check out this map from the study in question:

View attachment 67280153

According to the study, the black areas are what is "unlivable" now. And the areas with the black shading are what they say may be "unlivable" in 2070.

Seriously, Jack... not only are you defending a bunch of BS but you are pushing it as well.

Thank you for taking the time to respond to nonsensical denier propaganda. That it's a clear pattern that immateriality after you have a new mayor report about the impact of climate change you get denier bloggers attacking those report. There those denier bloggers don't care about facts or how silly their attacks are.

That Jack Hays could just look at the study to see that the study of course took into account the present temperature in the Mediterranean and other regions. That the problem is that without action billions of people will to live under extreme temperatures, with average yearly temperature over 29 degrees. While also that the sharp rise in temperature in many parts of the world will be hard for both humans, animals and plants to adapt to.

That for example the temperature increase in Australia have already have had a negative effect on farming.

"“Average temperatures have increased by about one degree since 1950, while recent decades have also seen a trend toward lower winter season rainfall, particularly in the southwest and southeast of Australia,” Dr Hughes said.

“Controlling for all other factors, we estimate these changes have reduced average farm profits by around 22 per cent. These effects have been most pronounced in the cropping sector, reducing average profits by 35 per cent, or $70,900 per year for a typical cropping farm.

“At a national level this amounts to an average loss in production of broadacre crops of 8% or around $1.1 billion a year.

“Although beef farms have been less affected overall, some beef farming regions have been affected more than others, particularly south-western Queensland.”"

New insights on the effects of drought and climate variability on Australian farms - Department of Agriculture

Jack Hays · May 10, 2020

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Buzz said:
And yet another non-sensical comment that doesn't prove or disprove anything.

Bergslagstroll said:
Thank you for taking the time to respond to nonsensical denier propaganda. That it's a clear pattern that immateriality after you have a new mayor report about the impact of climate change you get denier bloggers attacking those report. There those denier bloggers don't care about facts or how silly their attacks are.

That Jack Hays could just look at the study to see that the study of course took into account the present temperature in the Mediterranean and other regions. That the problem is that without action billions of people will to live under extreme temperatures, with average yearly temperature over 29 degrees. While also that the sharp rise in temperature in many parts of the world will be hard for both humans, animals and plants to adapt to.

That for example the temperature increase in Australia have already have had a negative effect on farming.

"“Average temperatures have increased by about one degree since 1950, while recent decades have also seen a trend toward lower winter season rainfall, particularly in the southwest and southeast of Australia,” Dr Hughes said.

“Controlling for all other factors, we estimate these changes have reduced average farm profits by around 22 per cent. These effects have been most pronounced in the cropping sector, reducing average profits by 35 per cent, or $70,900 per year for a typical cropping farm.

“At a national level this amounts to an average loss in production of broadacre crops of 8% or around $1.1 billion a year.

“Although beef farms have been less affected overall, some beef farming regions have been affected more than others, particularly south-western Queensland.”"

New insights on the effects of drought and climate variability on Australian farms - Department of Agriculture

The fact that so many great cities and civilizations, past and present, are and were outside the alleged optimum niche robs the paper of any credibility.
And btw, there isn't going to be any sharp rise in temperature.

Jack Hays · May 10, 2020

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Threegoofs · May 10, 2020

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Jack Hays said:
The fact that so many great cities and civilizations, past and present, are and were outside the alleged optimum niche robs the paper of any credibility.
And btw, there isn't going to be any sharp rise in temperature.

Four years of undergrad science for degree.

Six to ten years of grad work for PhD

One or two postdoctoral positions, refining knowledge base even more.

Months to years designing study and collecting data.

Data procured, analysis synthesized, paper written.

Paper submitted to prestigious journal.

Editors vet paper, peer reviewers comb extensively, requiring edits and rewrites.

Paper finally accepted and published.

Guy on Internet with history degree: “This is bull****”.

Jack Hays · May 10, 2020

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Threegoofs said:
Four years of undergrad science for degree.

Six to ten years of grad work for PhD

One or two postdoctoral positions, refining knowledge base even more.

Months to years designing study and collecting data.

Data procured, analysis synthesized, paper written.

Paper submitted to prestigious journal.

Editors vet paper, peer reviewers comb extensively, requiring edits and rewrites.

Paper finally accepted and published.

Guy on Internet with history degree: “This is bull****”.

The paper is obvious foolishness, brought to the light of day by an excess of zeal and a deficit of judgment.

Threegoofs · May 10, 2020

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Jack Hays said:
The paper is obvious foolishness, brought to the light of day by an excess of zeal and a deficit of judgment.

Just confirming:

‘Guy on Internet with degree in history : “This is bull****”.

Jack Hays · May 10, 2020

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Threegoofs said:
Just confirming:

‘Guy on Internet with degree in history : “This is bull****”.

My favorite line:

[FONT=&quot]". . . My view, this kind of study is what happens when a bunch of scientists based in temperate climates didn’t enjoy their last Caribbean holiday. . . . "[/FONT]

Climate Claim: By 2070 Average Temperatures be “Unsuitable for Human Life to Flourish”

Guest essay by Eric Worrall According to a new study, people don’t thrive in places where the average annual temperature is higher than 15C / 59F. Unsuitable for ‘human life to flourish’: Up to 3B will live in extreme heat by 2070, study warns Doyle Rice USA TODAYMay 4, 2020 By 2070, up to 3…

6 days ago May 4, 2020 in Alarmism.

Bergslagstroll · May 10, 2020

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Threegoofs said:
Four years of undergrad science for degree.

Six to ten years of grad work for PhD

One or two postdoctoral positions, refining knowledge base even more.

Months to years designing study and collecting data.

Data procured, analysis synthesized, paper written.

Paper submitted to prestigious journal.

Editors vet paper, peer reviewers comb extensively, requiring edits and rewrites.

Paper finally accepted and published.

Guy on Internet with history degree: “This is bull****”.

Also after spending so much time attacking the study Jack Hays have still not read the paper and found out that it also mention a smaller secondary mode around ∼20 °C to 25 °C. He and his denier blogs also ignores the main point of the study that billions of people will live under extreme temperature, with a average yearly temperature of over 29 degrees Celsius/ 84 degrees Fahrenheit, if action is not taken.

"If we focus at the global distribution of population densities and examine how this codeveloped with climate over time, the precipitation niche turns out to have broadened over the past centuries (Fig. 1A vs. Fig. 1B), leaving only the driest part of the gradient unoccupied (Fig. 1A vs. Fig. 1G). In contrast, the human population distribution in relation to MAT has remained largely unaltered (Fig. 2A), with a major mode around ∼11 °C to 15 °C accompanied by a smaller secondary mode around ∼20 °C to 25 °C corresponding largely to the Indian Monsoon region (SI Appendix, Fig. S2). In the remainder, we focus on this realized temperature niche. Results for the combined precipitation–temperature niche are presented for comparison in the SI Appendix."

Future of the human climate niche | PNAS

Jack Hays · May 10, 2020

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Bergslagstroll said:
Yes and after spending so much time attacking the study Jack Hays have still not read the paper and found out that it's talk about also smaller secondary mode around ∼20 °C to 25 °C. He and his denier blogs also ignores the main point of the study that billions of people will live under extreme temperature, with a average yearly temperature of over 29 degrees Celsius/ 84 degrees Fahrenheit, if action is not taken.

"If we focus at the global distribution of population densities and examine how this codeveloped with climate over time, the precipitation niche turns out to have broadened over the past centuries (Fig. 1A vs. Fig. 1B), leaving only the driest part of the gradient unoccupied (Fig. 1A vs. Fig. 1G). In contrast, the human population distribution in relation to MAT has remained largely unaltered (Fig. 2A), with a major mode around ∼11 °C to 15 °C accompanied by a smaller secondary mode around ∼20 °C to 25 °C corresponding largely to the Indian Monsoon region (SI Appendix, Fig. S2). In the remainder, we focus on this realized temperature niche. Results for the combined precipitation–temperature niche are presented for comparison in the SI Appendix."

Future of the human climate niche | PNAS

Read it. Got a chuckle. Moved on. It's the sort of thing I'd expect to find in The Onion.

Threegoofs · May 10, 2020

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Jack Hays said:
Read it. Got a chuckle. Moved on. It's the sort of thing I'd expect to find in The Onion.

Guy on Internet says “that’s bull****”.

Jack Hays · May 10, 2020

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Threegoofs said:
Guy on Internet says “that’s bull****”.

As I said, it belongs in The Onion.

Threegoofs · May 10, 2020

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Jack Hays said:
As I said, it belongs in The Onion.

Guy in internet doesn’t understand the difference from PNAS and the Onion.

Blames scientists.

eohrnberger · May 10, 2020

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In the history of the Earth, there's been times when the Atmospheric CO2 was high, much higher.

Carboniferous Period
358.9–298.9 million years ago

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Sea level (above present day) Falling from 120 m to present-day level throughout the Mississippian, then rising steadily to about 80 m at end of period[SUP][1][/SUP]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carboniferous

Carboniferous Period 358.9–298.9 million years ago PreЄ Є O S D C P T J K Pg N
Mean atmospheric O 2 content over period duration	c. 32.3 vol % (162 % of modern level)
Mean atmospheric CO 2 content over period duration	c. 800 ppm (3 times pre-industrial level)
Mean surface temperature over period duration	c. 14 °C (0 °C above modern level)
Sea level (above present day)	Falling from 120 m to present-day level throughout the Mississippian, then rising steadily to about 80 m at end of period[SUP][1][/SUP]

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