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[W:1458] Atmospheric CO2 Tops 408 PPM

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Quaestio said:
Same dishonest source. It's the Spencer and Christy unpublished dishonest rubbish rehashed.
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With you and 3G you aren't really interested in the climate per se. Its just a trendy vehicle being used to realise your politics of envy in a green veil.

Just work harder and leave the rest of us that do in peace. :roll:
 
Quaestio said:
No, you are the one who keeps saying the experts are wrong about ECS. I accept the educated opinions of the experts who research in this area.

You just refuse to read a textbook or read the research or the major reports summarizing the research. Your opinions are based in ignorance. The cure for that is spending the time educating yourself. The burden of proof is on you, not me. Stop being lazy and demanding that other people to do all the work for you.

Why not make a New Year's resolution to honestly put in the time to do some learning on this topic? Happy New Year.
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Please point to where I have said the experts were wrong? I am however pointing out that there is no empirical evidence to support an ECS of 3 C or higher.
If you think such evidence exists, the cite the papers where it is referenced.
Remember, everything in AGW stems from the 2XCO2 cresting an imbalance of 3.71 Wm-2.
 
Reconstructing a dataset of observed global temperatures 1950-2016 from human and natural influences

Posted on January 3, 2019 by curryja | 25 comments
by Frank Bosse
A demonstration that multidecadal variation since 1950 leads to overestimation of the Transient Climate Response (TCR).
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Conclusions
The annual GMST 1950-2016 are a composition of:

  • Anthropogenic forcing with the sensitivity TCR=1.27 °C (best estimate, calculated with the result of Eq. (1) multiplied by 3.8 W/m² for the doubling of CO2) for the C&W product, consistent with the findings of Lewis&Curry
  • Solar- , volcano forcing and ENSO- influence. The calculation follows here the cited “Tamino” post with thanks to Grant Foster for releasing the “filter”.
  • Some (multi) decadal internal variability with the amplitude of about 0.25°C (see fig.2) which can be well modeled by scaling the SST difference between the areas mentioned.
  • Weather noise (6%).
The (multi) decadal variability mentioned in (3) will lead to estimates of TCR based on trends over periods starting after 1950, particularly trends during the satellite period (post 1978), being biased upwards.

 
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Can youi imagine what the AGW alarmists would be saying about Oxygen if it increased by 130 ppm over the last 270 years?

Maybe something like this?

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flogger said:
With you and 3G you aren't really interested in the climate per se. Its just a trendy vehicle being used to realise your politics of envy in a green veil.

Just work harder and leave the rest of us that do in peace. :roll:
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I'm interested in climate science. You are not.

What I'm NOT interested in is the ideologically motivated amateur pseudoscience, copied and pasted blog crap, and silly conspiracy theories you and the other climate truthers on DP espouse.
 
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Quaestio said:
I'm interested in climate science. You are not.
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If only the AGW hypothesis represented real empirically reproduceable science then you might have a point until that time it is all just politics :wink:
 
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Lord of Planar said:
Can youi imagine what the AGW alarmists would be saying about Oxygen if it increased by 130 ppm over the last 270 years?
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Indeed. Thats another component of our respiratory cycle they could have fun with. We nasty humans pollute just by our very existence so learn to hate yourself as instructed unbelieving philistine or else the world will end and it will be all your fault !

Feeling guilty yet ? :wink:
 
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flogger said:
If only the AGW hypothesis represented real empirically reproduceable science then you might have a point until that time it is all just politics :wink:
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Study the facts, not the blogs.Temp-graphic-NASA.jpg
 
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flogger said:
A modest climate temperature change spanning such a short duration is essentially meaningless and is certainly empirical proof of well........ nothing really
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How many climatology degrees do you have? The experts say otherwise. But armchair scientists such as yourself like to hear themselves spout off...
 
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Media_Truth said:
How many climatology degrees do you have? The experts say otherwise. But armchair scientists such as yourself like to hear themselves spout off...
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Then by all means let the 'experts' explain away all the many natural precedents there have been for this over recent millenia. They have been conspicuous by their silence about those. I guess there probably isn't any money in it :wink:
 
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flogger said:
Then by all means let the 'experts' explain away all the many natural precedents there have been for this over recent millenia. They have been conspicuous by their silence about those. I guess there probably isn't any money in it :wink:
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Today's rapid warming is unprecedented, even against the millenia. The temperature tracking to greenhouse house gas increases is undisputable.
 
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Media_Truth said:
Today's rapid warming is unprecedented, even against the millenia. The temperature tracking to greenhouse house gas increases is undisputable.
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No it isn't. Todays warming is very modest as the post ice age temperature record illustrates
 
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flogger said:
No it isn't. Todays warming is very modest as the post ice age temperature record illustrates
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Media_Truth said:
Today's rapid warming is unprecedented, even against the millenia. The temperature tracking to greenhouse house gas increases is undisputable.
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Actually the proxies do not have the resolution to show if the recent warming phase is anything unusual.
From the often cited Marcott paper.
https://www.researchgate.net/public...d_Global_Temperature_for_the_Past_11300_Years
The 73 globally distributed temperature records used in our analysis are based on a variety
of paleotemperature proxies and have sampling resolutions ranging from 20 to 500 years,
with a median resolution of 120 years.
Also the correlation of temperature to CO2 level does not on it's own show causation,
and while they claim no other explanation exists, there could be several valid explanations.
 
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longview said:
Actually the proxies do not have the resolution to show if the recent warming phase is anything unusual.
From the often cited Marcott paper.
https://www.researchgate.net/public...d_Global_Temperature_for_the_Past_11300_Years
The 73 globally distributed temperature records used in our analysis are based on a variety
of paleotemperature proxies and have sampling resolutions ranging from 20 to 500 years,
with a median resolution of 120 years.
Also the correlation of temperature to CO2 level does not on it's own show causation,
and while they claim no other explanation exists, there could be several valid explanations.
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Your cited reference is only looking at temperature variations, not the rates of the variation. Your comment on a lack of CO2 causation is unsupported, although other greenhouse gases do factor in. You offer no other alternative variable for the climate shift. CO2 is rising directly with global temperatures. It is the primary factor.
 
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Media_Truth said:
Your cited reference is only looking at temperature variations, not the rates of the variation. Your comment on a lack of CO2 causation is unsupported, although other greenhouse gases do factor in. You offer no other alternative variable for the climate shift. CO2 is rising directly with global temperatures. It is the primary factor.
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You still don't understand how hard it is to adequately quantify of numbers are when there are more than three unknown variables.

It's the person suffering from the Dunning–Kruger effect, like you, who thinks it can be done on a system as large as the earth, where we cannot simulate the magnitude of such things in the laboratory.
 
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Threegoofs said:
The studies are written on the graph. I’m sure you heard of them.
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Well I certainly know you haven't :lol: I've been through the obvious inadequacies of these with you numerous times even citing the authors own major caveats and reservations from the said studies

Not that that would ever matter to you. Bury the envy get smarter and work harder bud. Nobody is going to give you their money over this..... how many times ? :wink:
 
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Media_Truth said:
Today's rapid warming is unprecedented, even against the millenia. The temperature tracking to greenhouse house gas increases is undisputable.
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No it is not.

I can show you temperature records that have faster warming.

Which periods are you talking about anyway?
 
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Surface Detail said:
Go on, then.
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with our temperature today either in its level or rate of change as the Arctic ice core record shows over the most recent millenia

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(Kobayashi 2011)
 
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flogger said:
There is absolutely nothing wrong with our temperature today either in its level or rate of change as the Arctic ice core record shows over the most recent millenia

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(Kobayashi 2011)
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It has already been pointed out to you that this graph incorrectly mixes local (blue) and global (red) temperatures and is therefore unsound. Why do you persist in posting it when you know that it is nonsensical? Why are you trying to deceive people?
 
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