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Axios: American belief in global warming reaches 10-year high

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https://www.axios.com/united-states...igh-7f706e6f-6683-4011-b66b-db9b807ce6b8.html

Full PDF of the report: http://closup.umich.edu/files/ieep-nsee-2018-spring-climate-belief.pdf

Axios presents a brief summary of a long-term poll conducted by the Issues in Energy and Environmental Policy / National Surveys on Energy and Environment. The percentage of Americans who believe there is solid evidence for global warming, as well as the percentage of people who attribute it to human activity, is at a 10-year high.

The number who believe in global warming has gone up and down since 2008, but is now at 73%. The lowest numbers were in 2010, at 52%.

34% believe global warming is primarily due to human activity; another 26% believe it is in part due to human activity, and part other causes. Only 12% say it is exclusively natural, and another 15% do not believe the climate is changing at all.

Unsurprisingly, there is a partisan divide over the issue, which is also larger than usual.

I guess that's what happens when you have years of record high temperatures, plus hurricanes whose impact is intensified by climate change, plus droughts and heat waves and massive glaciers calving off of Antarctica and...
 
It is nice to see that perception of climate change is shifting, but we are still not where we need to be in terms of having enough people vote for those that want to make environmental issues more discussed in political circles.
 
Well it may not seem like it but we are going in the right direction. A few years ago you couldn't get anyone on the right side of the spectrum to even admit the earth is warming, now we have even my Trump supporting parents admitting the earth is warming, they've just shifted to arguing its volcanoes and natural cycles and has absolutely nothing to do with human activity. Not quite there, but progress nonetheless.

On a side note, these are the same parents that about 6 years back told me hurricanes on the east coast are god's way of telling DC politicians climate change is bull****.
 
Visbek said:
https://www.axios.com/united-states...igh-7f706e6f-6683-4011-b66b-db9b807ce6b8.html

Full PDF of the report: http://closup.umich.edu/files/ieep-nsee-2018-spring-climate-belief.pdf

Axios presents a brief summary of a long-term poll conducted by the Issues in Energy and Environmental Policy / National Surveys on Energy and Environment. The percentage of Americans who believe there is solid evidence for global warming, as well as the percentage of people who attribute it to human activity, is at a 10-year high.

The number who believe in global warming has gone up and down since 2008, but is now at 73%. The lowest numbers were in 2010, at 52%.

34% believe global warming is primarily due to human activity; another 26% believe it is in part due to human activity, and part other causes. Only 12% say it is exclusively natural, and another 15% do not believe the climate is changing at all.

Unsurprisingly, there is a partisan divide over the issue, which is also larger than usual.

I guess that's what happens when you have years of record high temperatures, plus hurricanes whose impact is intensified by climate change, plus droughts and heat waves and massive glaciers calving off of Antarctica and...
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From your cited PDF, here was the question asked,
Question: From what you’ve read and heard. Is there solid evidence that the average
temperature on earth has been getting warmer over the past four decades?
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I would think they should also have a question about the cause, but cited another survey, that we do not see the questions on.
The most recent NSEE found 60% of Americans believe that humans are either primarily (34%) or partially responsible
(26%) for the warming of the planet.
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One would think that if they wanted to gauge how Americans felt about AGW, they would not have left off the A from the question.
 
Visbek said:
https://www.axios.com/united-states...igh-7f706e6f-6683-4011-b66b-db9b807ce6b8.html

Full PDF of the report: http://closup.umich.edu/files/ieep-nsee-2018-spring-climate-belief.pdf

Axios presents a brief summary of a long-term poll conducted by the Issues in Energy and Environmental Policy / National Surveys on Energy and Environment. The percentage of Americans who believe there is solid evidence for global warming, as well as the percentage of people who attribute it to human activity, is at a 10-year high.

The number who believe in global warming has gone up and down since 2008, but is now at 73%. The lowest numbers were in 2010, at 52%.

34% believe global warming is primarily due to human activity; another 26% believe it is in part due to human activity, and part other causes. Only 12% say it is exclusively natural, and another 15% do not believe the climate is changing at all.

Unsurprisingly, there is a partisan divide over the issue, which is also larger than usual.

I guess that's what happens when you have years of record high temperatures, plus hurricanes whose impact is intensified by climate change, plus droughts and heat waves and massive glaciers calving off of Antarctica and...
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When asked anybody with any understanding will agree with the statement human activity warms the earth.

That is different to it being a problem.

The whole question is loaded to give the responce wished for and then drag the meaning of the answer to absurdity.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Well it may not seem like it but we are going in the right direction. A few years ago you couldn't get anyone on the right side of the spectrum to even admit the earth is warming, now we have even my Trump supporting parents admitting the earth is warming, they've just shifted to arguing its volcanoes and natural cycles and has absolutely nothing to do with human activity. Not quite there, but progress nonetheless.

On a side note, these are the same parents that about 6 years back told me hurricanes on the east coast are god's way of telling DC politicians climate change is bull****.
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Few argue that the climate is changing, the argument is using it as a political tool without proof of cause.
 
longview said:
From your cited PDF, here was the question asked,

I would think they should also have a question about the cause, but cited another survey, that we do not see the questions on.

One would think that if they wanted to gauge how Americans felt about AGW, they would not have left off the A from the question.
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Do you ever actually read anything?

I provided a link to the actual survey, so did Axios. And yes, they asked people what they believe are the causes.
34% believe human activity is the cause of global warming
26% = both human and natural causes
15% = natural only
12% = not sure
 
Tim the plumber said:

When asked anybody with any understanding will agree with the statement human activity warms the earth.

That is different to it being a problem.

The whole question is loaded to give the responce wished for and then drag the meaning of the answer to absurdity.
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Yes, because no one has ever heard that global warming might cause any issues. Riiiiiiiiiight
 
Visbek said:
Do you ever actually read anything?

I provided a link to the actual survey, so did Axios. And yes, they asked people what they believe are the causes.
34% believe human activity is the cause of global warming
26% = both human and natural causes
15% = natural only
12% = not sure
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Did you read it? the only question stated in the .pdf was if it had warmed,
not attribution. We do not see what questions were asked with regards to attribution.
I wounder how the question about attribution was worded, and why they did not include it?
 
longview said:
Did you read it? the only question stated in the .pdf was if it had warmed,
not attribution.
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*bzzt* wrong

Page 3: American Views on the Existence and Causes of Climate Change 2008-2018

Options:
• Climate change caused by human activity
• Climate change caused by a combination of human activity and natural patterns or not sure of cause
• Not sure if climate is changing
• Climate change caused by natural patterns
• Climate is NOT changing
 
Visbek said:
*bzzt* wrong

Page 3: American Views on the Existence and Causes of Climate Change 2008-2018

Options:
• Climate change caused by human activity
• Climate change caused by a combination of human activity and natural patterns or not sure of cause
• Not sure if climate is changing
• Climate change caused by natural patterns
• Climate is NOT changing
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Those are the results not the questions asked to achieve those results.
 
longview said:
Those are the results not the questions asked to achieve those results.
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Or: You can just admit that you were wrong, and you can't think of a substantive objection to the poll.
 
Visbek said:
Or: You can just admit that you were wrong, and you can't think of a substantive objection to the poll.
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Except that I am not wrong, the actual polling questions are not in the links cited.
But just for fun, let's look at the categories you listed in post #11, and see how they hold up.
Options:
• Climate change caused by human activity
• Climate change caused by a combination of human activity and natural patterns or not sure of cause
• Not sure if climate is changing
• Climate change caused by natural patterns
• Climate is NOT changing
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•Climate change caused by human activity,
This category is too specific, and does not consider what we all know is true, that natural climate
change does occur.

• Climate change caused by a combination of human activity and natural patterns or not sure of cause
This is the most realistic answer, as it somewhat acknowledges the broad uncertainty associated AGW.

• Not sure if climate is changing
I am not really sure who does not acknowledge that the climate is changing .

• Climate change caused by natural patterns
While the chances are small, this is still a viable choice, in that we do not understand what patterns can results
from the interference between climate cycles.

• Climate is NOT changing
Again, I am not really sure who does not acknowledge that the climate is changing .
 
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Visbek said:
Yes, because no one has ever heard that global warming might cause any issues. Riiiiiiiiiight
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So, please, tell me what is bad about a slightly warmer world?

I would like you to try to specify any single issue which will be so bad for any local council in the world, that has traffic lights, to sort out that it will cost more than its' traffic light budget.

I will need you to explain the mechanism between the warming, as predicted by the IPCC, at worst, and the bad thing.

To cite some sort of science that shows how this mechanism will work.

Then we can look at it and see how bad it is likely to be and if the whole thing is at all credable.

Nobody has managed this so far.
 
Tim the plumber said:
So, please, tell me what is bad about a slightly warmer world?
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1) Your pretend innocence for a topic we've already discussed (and where you were demonstrably refuted) is inexcusable.

2) Your request to change the subject is denied. The topic of this thread is "the overwhelming majority of Americans believe that global temperatures are rising," not "Tim the Plumber wants to go off on another of his usual denialist rants."
 
Visbek said:
1) Your pretend innocence for a topic we've already discussed (and where you were demonstrably refuted) is inexcusable.

2) Your request to change the subject is denied. The topic of this thread is "the overwhelming majority of Americans believe that global temperatures are rising," not "Tim the Plumber wants to go off on another of his usual denialist rants."
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I note your inability to answer the question.

I invite you to start a new thread "the bad things about global warming" say. You will have a golden opportunity to present your case.
 
Visbek said:
1) Your pretend innocence for a topic we've already discussed (and where you were demonstrably refuted) is inexcusable.

2) Your request to change the subject is denied. The topic of this thread is "the overwhelming majority of Americans believe that global temperatures are rising," not "Tim the Plumber wants to go off on another of his usual denialist rants."
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I have noticed that articles tend to intermix the terms Global Warming, and Anthropogenic Global Warming,
as if they were the same, they are not!
So when the title of the article is "American belief in global warming reaches 10-year high",
they are implying that American belief in AGW reaches a 10 year high, but that is not what their data shows.
You see in the church of AGW, only the absolute faithful are allowed, the rest are deniers,
an all or nothing religion.
I have been called a denier, because I say the data supports an ECS of about 1.8 C for 2XCO2.
By that criteria, only the top category "• Climate change caused by human activity"
would allow participation in the zealotry.
and that top category fell from 35% to 34%.
It looks like a few people moved from the • Climate is NOT changing category to the
• Climate change caused by a combination of human activity and natural patterns or not sure of cause, category.
Also Tim has a point about the real world ramification for a slightly warming world,
it well could be mostly beneficial.
 
Visbek said:
https://www.axios.com/united-states...igh-7f706e6f-6683-4011-b66b-db9b807ce6b8.html

Full PDF of the report: http://closup.umich.edu/files/ieep-nsee-2018-spring-climate-belief.pdf

Axios presents a brief summary of a long-term poll conducted by the Issues in Energy and Environmental Policy / National Surveys on Energy and Environment. The percentage of Americans who believe there is solid evidence for global warming, as well as the percentage of people who attribute it to human activity, is at a 10-year high.

The number who believe in global warming has gone up and down since 2008, but is now at 73%. The lowest numbers were in 2010, at 52%.

34% believe global warming is primarily due to human activity; another 26% believe it is in part due to human activity, and part other causes. Only 12% say it is exclusively natural, and another 15% do not believe the climate is changing at all.

Unsurprisingly, there is a partisan divide over the issue, which is also larger than usual.

I guess that's what happens when you have years of record high temperatures, plus hurricanes whose impact is intensified by climate change, plus droughts and heat waves and massive glaciers calving off of Antarctica and...
Click to expand...

It's a shame they don't provide any sampling data in regard to political party, especially since they give so many results based on party.

Depending on their missing numbers, this poll might be bogus...might not. We'll never know.
 
longview said:
I have noticed that articles tend to intermix the terms Global Warming, and Anthropogenic Global Warming,
as if they were the same, they are not!
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The article and survey clearly distinguished between those two aspects.

And again, you originally claimed that the survey did not ask about causes; it did. Congrats on adding another error.


So when the title of the article is "American belief in global warming reaches 10-year high",
they are implying that American belief in AGW reaches a 10 year high, but that is not what their data shows.
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No, it's stating that "American belief in global warming reaches a 10 year high." You're reading into it, in a vain attempt to avoid admitting you were wrong on a fairly minor point.


You see in the church of AGW, only the absolute faithful are allowed, the rest are deniers,
an all or nothing religion.
I have been called a denier, because I say the data supports an ECS of about 1.8 C for 2XCO2... etc

....Also Tim has a point about the real world ramification for a slightly warming world,
it well could be mostly beneficial.
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Yeah, it's statements like the latter, combined with ridiculous cherry-picking, that earn you the label. Would you prefer the label "irrationally contrarian about climate change" instead?
 
Mycroft said:
It's a shame they don't provide any sampling data in regard to political party, especially since they give so many results based on party.

Depending on their missing numbers, this poll might be bogus...might not. We'll never know.
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Wow! What a devastating critique oh wait, it isn't. They're using standard weighting for the population, so there is no reason to assume they will be substantially off in terms of party identification.
 
Visbek said:
The article and survey clearly distinguished between those two aspects.

And again, you originally claimed that the survey did not ask about causes; it did. Congrats on adding another error.



No, it's stating that "American belief in global warming reaches a 10 year high." You're reading into it, in a vain attempt to avoid admitting you were wrong on a fairly minor point.



Yeah, it's statements like the latter, combined with ridiculous cherry-picking, that earn you the label. Would you prefer the label "irrationally contrarian about climate change" instead?
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Actually we do not know what the survey asked, since we have only seen one of the questions.
 
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