A Realistic Assessment of Renewables

Floridafan said:

There are electric lines that can move electricity to all parts of the country.

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You have no idea why that doesn't matter much due in part to economics and availability/demand aspects.

Sunsettommy said:

You have no idea why that doesn't matter much due in part to economics and availability/demand aspects.

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Maybe you can explain just what you posted? It makes no sense to me.

Lord of Planar said:

I have argued over and over, but the hard headed Utopians simply cannot grasp the reality of out situation.

We will remain on fossil fuel for a long time still. Solar will be fast at progressing, but slow at implementation until we have viable storage solutions. Wind will be deployed more, and become graveyards of steel, as maintenance costs outweigh their benefit. Biofuels take away land for food, and al, these combined will make it too expensive for any nation to develop, if forced upon us.

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Thank you. Although there won't, nor does their have to be, complete removal of oil as an energy source. I guess the utopians are the more ridiculous extremist, but I don't see many people calling for immediate removal of all fossil fuels

You think places like Hi would tap into the volcanic power beneath their feet to generate steam power for electricity.

There are ocean waves that never stop waving, tides that never stop tiding.

Floridafan said:

Maybe you can explain just what you posted? It makes no sense to me.

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Just as I expected, you have no idea why California and Oregon can't use much of it since windpower can't be used when the rivers are high and much cheaper to use Hydro to generate it, which is why the Feds stepped in and SHUT IT DOWN!


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BPA Stops Wind Power Generation For The First Time In 4 Years

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Apr 7, 2017

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Northwest rivers are running high as all that winter snowpack melts into spring runoff.

And that means the region is producing too much of a good thing: carbon-free, renewable energy in the form of both dam-generated hydropower along with electricity from spinning wind-farm turbines.

That's prompted the federal government to take an action it avoided during the last four years of drought conditions: shutting down wind power.

That's something the Bonneville Power Administration did each spring from 2010 to 2012, before more recent drought conditions kept rivers running so low that there was plenty of capacity on the power grid for all the electricity that Northwest wind farms could generate.

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[h=1]Study: living near wind turbines is annoying[/h]From the AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF PHYSICS and the “don’t mind the subaudible swooshing, you’ll get used to it” department comes this study that confirms what we already know; living near wind turbines is annoying. Does living near wind turbines negatively impact human health? Some people report sleep disturbances from wind turbines’ audible and subaudible noise; researchers…

Jack Hays said:

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[h=1]Study: living near wind turbines is annoying[/h]From the AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF PHYSICS and the “don’t mind the subaudible swooshing, you’ll get used to it” department comes this study that confirms what we already know; living near wind turbines is annoying. Does living near wind turbines negatively impact human health? Some people report sleep disturbances from wind turbines’ audible and subaudible noise; researchers…

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And such low frequency sounds can travel long distances.

It is an organic progression

Originally Posted by Floridafan
Do you remember when an HDTV cost about $2000 and now you can get even better ones for a few hundred? That will also happen to renewable energy as costs diminish.

Lord of Planar said:

And all that was achieved without government interference, subsidies, tax breaks, etc.

We don't need subsidies, etc. for renewable energy to flourish. They will do better without government interference.

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The history of the expansion of the British colonies in the Americas that became the US is full of government subsidies & tax policy to favor infrastructure, roads, bridges, railroads, canals & etc. Land was nearly given away, to encourage pioneers & traders to move out there & establish themselves, increase the tax base, & create facts on the ground - denying or removing the Native Peoples, French, Dutch, Russians - or assimilating them, & denying their claims to the land & water & any other resources.

More recently, the US created networks of dams & massive canals, encouraged pumping up aquifers in the Midwest, airports, rural electrification, telegraph & telephone nets, & so on.

lefty louie said:

You think places like Hi would tap into the volcanic power beneath their feet to generate steam power for electricity.

There are ocean waves that never stop waving, tides that never stop tiding.

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They do. There is a powerplant in Puna that does that and provides 25% of the Big Island's power. However, it might be lost to Madame Pele's latest outburst.