It’s the 20th anniversary of the most famous climate graph ever!

longview said:

You correctly pointed out the Marcott postdated Mann98, so what temporal resolution did Mann's proxies have?
And why was it necessary for him to change the source of his measurements for the last 50 years or so?

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It’s in the paper.

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Threegoofs said:

It’s in the paper.

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And if that is the case, then you should be able to quote the exact statement that covers it,
so as to avoid confusion.

longview said:

And if that is the case, then you should be able to quote the exact statement that covers it,
so as to avoid confusion.

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And it would also increase your understanding of the topic substantially.

But I really dont have the time or inclination to do your homework for you.

Threegoofs said:

And it would also increase your understanding of the topic substantially.

But I really dont have the time or inclination to do your homework for you.

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You are the one who is claiming they stated the temporal resolutions of the proxies,
so you show quote, and cite the proof.

longview said:

You are the one who is claiming they stated the temporal resolutions of the proxies,
so you show quote, and cite the proof.

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You’re the one obsessed with resolutions!

Here’s a hint.

They’re tree rings.

Work on that, Einstein.

It is abundantly clear that the "HS" paper is junk, only a warmist lemming will hang onto it despite the overwhelming evidence that it is junk science.

It was taken apart by M&M 2005 paper.

It was exposed as statistical junk by the Wegman report.

It was also considered unsupportable by the North Report.

The Wegman and North Report for Newbies

Threegoofs said:

You’re the one obsessed with resolutions!

Here’s a hint.

They’re tree rings.

Work on that, Einstein.

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Now compare the error range and resolution of tree rings to that of a thermometer.
It might also be worth asking why post
1950 tree rings are not good proxies.


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longview said:

Now compare the error range and resolution of tree rings to that of a thermometer.
It might also be worth asking why post
1950 tree rings are not good proxies.


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The Bristlecone tree ring data, was NOT based on temperature reconstructions in the first place as Dr. Graybill and Isdo cautioned.

McKitrick stated:

A very brief summary of the problems of the hockey stick would go like this. Mann’s algorithm, applied to a large proxy data set, extracted the shape associated with one small and controversial subset of the tree rings records, namely the bristlecone pine cores from high and arid mountains in the US Southwest. The trees are extremely long-lived, but grow in highly contorted shapes as bark dies back to a single twisted strip. The scientists who published the data (Graybill and Idso 1993) had specifically warned that the ring widths should not be used for temperature reconstruction, and in particular their 20th century portion is unlike the climatic history of the region, and is probably biased by other factors.

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I have known this since 2007, which is why I know Dr. Mann paper is pure junk.

Sunsettommy said:

It is abundantly clear that the "HS" paper is junk, only a warmist lemming will hang onto it despite the overwhelming evidence that it is junk science.

It was taken apart by M&M 2005 paper.

It was exposed as statistical junk by the Wegman report.

It was also considered unsupportable by the North Report.

The Wegman and North Report for Newbies

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Yet.... it remains respected in the scientific literature.


I think you’re confusing blogs with science.

Threegoofs said:

I’m sure this is very important stuff for denier blog readers.

Just like the distinction between micro evolution and macro evolution is for creationist blog readers, or the dilution quotient is for homeopath blog readers.

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Your red herrings are just a form of denial.

Threegoofs said:

Yes, you cut and paste a lot of denier blogs.

We get it.

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Just more denial.

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[h=1]20 Years Later, The ‘Hockey Stick’ Graph Behind Waves Of Climate Alarmism Is Still In Dispute[/h]It was 20 years ago, climate scientist Michael Mann published his famous “hockey stick” graph that he says “galvanized climate action” by showing unprecedented global warming. Mann used the 20-year anniversary of the graph to opine on the “industry-funded” attacks “to discredit the iconic symbol of the human impact on our climate,” which Mann claimed…

At last we're going to drag this pile of dung out into the light to have a look.

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[h=1]WINNING: Arizona Appellate Court decides Hockey Stick emails must be released[/h][FONT=&quot]Press Release from FME Law July 3, 2018 Arizona Appellate Court Decides Hockey Stick Emails Must Be Released Despite the University’s Appeal. One thousand seven hundred and sixty-three days ago, on behalf of its client, the Free Market Environmental Law Clinic, PLLC (FME Law) asked the University of Arizona to hand over public records that…
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[h=2]Finally Hockeystick secret science emails to be released[/h]
The Hockeystick graph rewrote history and was used to justify billions of dollars of expenditure. The people who created it were public servants dedicated to science and writing businesslike emails to each other — which is why they fought tooth and nail and with hundreds of thousands of dollars for 1,763 days to stop you reading them.
Marvel that after 1,000 years of working as thermometers, trees suddenly decalibrated in 1961 just as our national networks of adjistimongered-thermometers were established. See that red line rise…
h/t Another Ian, Lance, WUWT
Press Release from FME Law
July 3, 2018
Arizona Appellate Court Decides Hockey Stick Emails Must Be Released Despite the University’s Appeal.
One thousand seven hundred and sixty-three days ago, on behalf of its client, the Free Market Environmental Law Clinic, PLLC (FME Law) asked the University of Arizona to hand over public records that would expose to the world the genesis of what some consider the most influential scientific publication of that decade – the Mann-Bradley-Hughes temperature reconstruction that looks like a hockey stick.
The University refused. …
“This decision by the Appellate Court is much more than a small procedural action,” said Dr. David Schnare, the member-manager of the Free Market Environmental Law Clinic, PLLC, who is prosecuting this case. “We asked for the full history of the hockey stick graph and much more. We sought the history of the fourth Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change Report and the discussions among the scientists as they discussed climate papers and the then burgeoning antagonism between climate scientists not of like mind.” Chaim Mandelbaum, Executive Director of FME Law explains, “This case is not over, but we appear to be at the beginning of the end.”
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