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We had to evacuate, due to this wildfire

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Parrish said:
So sorry that this is your new normal.
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As someone who lives in the same area as the OP, I can speak from experience when I say that this is not the "new normal". In fact, this normal has been going on for decades. We've always had periods of more and less fire events.
 
Jack Hays said:
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Increase watersheds, wherever possible; muster the beaver militia!
 
Mycroft said:
As someone who lives in the same area as the OP, I can speak from experience when I say that this is not the "new normal". In fact, this normal has been going on for decades. We've always had periods of more and less fire events.
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Obviously you have not actually studied the issue. The Denver Post shows the top 38 Colorado wildfires in this article.

https://www.denverpost.com/2012/06/25/colorados-largest-wildfires-burn-area/

Take a look. Thirty four of the 38 have occurred in 2000 or after. Numbers of wildfires are actually down in recent years, throughout the US, probably due to educational efforts. However, acreage burned is way up, indicating that the fires are much harder to control, due to the conditions. Hotter, drier, longer summers definitely exacerbates the threats of wildfires.
 
Media_Truth said:
Obviously you have not actually studied the issue. The Denver Post shows the top 38 Colorado wildfires in this article.

https://www.denverpost.com/2012/06/25/colorados-largest-wildfires-burn-area/

Take a look. Thirty four of the 38 have occurred in 2000 or after. Numbers of wildfires are actually down in recent years, throughout the US, probably due to educational efforts. However, acreage burned is way up, indicating that the fires are much harder to control, due to the conditions. Hotter, drier, longer summers definitely exacerbates the threats of wildfires.
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That article gives no information about what caused the fires...about what made them so large. It's nothing but a list. Pretty much useless.

Take your fire. It was human started from I-25 and the high winds that happened to be blowing turned it into a big fire. Global warming didn't start the fire. The high winds...well, that happens from time to time. Same for the dry winter. It sucks that all that came together for this fire, but that's no reason to say global warming has anything to do with it.
 
Mycroft said:
That article gives no information about what caused the fires...about what made them so large. It's nothing but a list. Pretty much useless.

Take your fire. It was human started from I-25 and the high winds that happened to be blowing turned it into a big fire. Global warming didn't start the fire. The high winds...well, that happens from time to time. Same for the dry winter. It sucks that all that came together for this fire, but that's no reason to say global warming has anything to do with it.
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I am not citing Global Warming as the cause of any individual fire. I am stating that Global Warming adds to the conditions that can cause wildfires to become out of control, and it extends the season for wildfires. Like you, I would not believe anybody that states that Global Warming caused a particular fire, a particular storm, flooding, a drought, a monsoon, a hurricane, or any other particular weather event. But it can exacerbate the conditions that lead to any of these events, and likewise can magnify any of these events.
 
Media_Truth said:
Well if some guy says it, then it must be true. And if it was published by the High Schooler, Watts, that makes it double-true. The Union of Concerned Scientists and other major scientific groups - who are they?:roll:
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We are hearing from the Union of Uninformed Deniers here...
 
Media_Truth said:
I am not citing Global Warming as the cause of any individual fire. I am stating that Global Warming adds to the conditions that can cause wildfires to become out of control, and it extends the season for wildfires. Like you, I would not believe anybody that states that Global Warming caused a particular fire, a particular storm, flooding, a drought, a monsoon, a hurricane, or any other particular weather event. But it can exacerbate the conditions that lead to any of these events, and likewise can magnify any of these events.
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I said, "has anything to do with it". I said nothing about "causing it".

LTR
 
Mycroft said:
I said, "has anything to do with it". I said nothing about "causing it".

LTR
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You cannot prove that AGW had "nothing to do with it", no more than I can prove that AGW caused it.
 
Media_Truth said:
You cannot prove that AGW had "nothing to do with it", no more than I can prove that AGW caused it.
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I've never said...nor tried...to prove anything. I simply expressed my opinion based on my experiences living in this area of the country.
 
Mycroft said:
I've never said...nor tried...to prove anything. I simply expressed my opinion based on my experiences living in this area of the country.
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And you have noticed the longer, dryer warm seasons - late Spring, summer, early Fall? Look it up - on average, we've been about 2 deg F warmer.
 
Media_Truth said:
And you have noticed the longer, dryer warm seasons - late Spring, summer, early Fall? Look it up - on average, we've been about 2 deg F warmer.
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You look it up...and present it here, while you are at it.

Me? I've seen dry winters and wet winters...dry springtimes and wet springtimes. droughts and no droughts. Summers with lots of rain...you can almost set your watch to the daily rains...and summers with very little rain.
 
Mycroft said:
You look it up...and present it here, while you are at it.

Me? I've seen dry winters and wet winters...dry springtimes and wet springtimes. droughts and no droughts. Summers with lots of rain...you can almost set your watch to the daily rains...and summers with very little rain.
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I stated it above. The current worldwide average of Higher Temperature to AGW is about 1 deg C. The Western US has seen over 2 deg F (over 1.2 deg C).

The difference in our arguments is that we are both discussing experiential evidence. However, one needs to back that up, with the actual science.
 

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Media_Truth said:
https://www.denverpost.com/2018/04/17/fire-near-hanover-colorado-springs-evacuations/

Over 10 homes destroyed by this prarie fire. We evacuated. Our home is bermed, with a steel roof, and a stucco exterior, so I wasn't too concerned.

AGW is exacerbating wildfires in the West, by extending the hot, dry season. Here's a photo of last year's wildfires in the state of Washington.
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This article by Union of Concerned Scientists discusses this.

https://www.ucsusa.org/global-warmi...ic-wildfires-climate-change.html#.WtljYIjwbIU

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Wild fires happen, every year. Has nothing to do with AGW, everything to do with El Nino/La Nina oscillations affecting the moisture streams and the shifting Jet Stream. Welcome to earth, weather changes. Hourly, Daily, Yearly...
 
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