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New Research Finds Polar Bear Numbers Up 42% Since 2004 – Survival Rates Unaffected By Sea Ice Avail

Always enjoy checking the 'facts' posted by some people.

If one takes the time to read the descriptions of the research papers listed by Dr Crockford, one will find that her specific field of research is evolutionary- and Archaeozoology, not research based on present-day findings. She has published no peer-reviewed papers on modern polar bears.

For instance, a few of the papers listed on her website:
**Crockford, S. J. 2012. Annotated map of ancient polar bear remains of the world.

*Nishida, S., West, D., Crockford, S. and Koike, H. 2012. Ancient DNA analysis for the sea otter (Enhydra lutris) from archaeological sites on Adak, Aleutian Islands.

**Crockford, S.J. and G. Frederick 2011. Neoglacial sea ice and life history flexibility in ringed and fur seals.

*Crockford, S.J., Frederick, G. & Wigen, R. 2002. The Cape Flattery fur seal: An extinct species of Callorhinus in the eastern north Pacific? Canadian Journal of Archaeology

**Crockford, S.J. 2012. Directionality in polar bear hybridization. Comment (May 1) to Hailer et al. 2012. “Nuclear genomic sequences reveal that polar bears are an old and distinct bear lineage.”

**Crockford, S.J. 2004. Animal Domestication and Vertebrate Speciation: A Paradigm for the Origin of Species. Ph.D. dissertation

Crockford is an adjunct professor at UBC but she does not teach any courses on modern polar bear environments and consequences for the species. She teaches a course for Anthropology students on animal domestication and speciation and advises on matters of paleozoology and archaeozoology.

From Encyclopedia Britannica

ZOOLOGY

Zoology, branch of biology that studies the members of the animal kingdom and animal life in general. It includes both the inquiry into individual animals and their constituent parts, even to the molecular level, and the inquiry into animal populations, entire faunas, and the relationships of animals to each other, to plants, and to the nonliving environment. Though this wide range of studies results in some isolation of specialties within zoology, the conceptual integration in the contemporary study of living things that has occurred in recent years emphasizes the structural and functional unity of life rather than its diversity.

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Oops there goes your argument.

Meanwhile you still ignorant of the public ugly attack on her last winter?
 
Early in this century the "experts" were predicting the imminent collapse of the polar bear population. Crockford said that was nonsense, and the polar bears were doing just fine. Since then polar bear populations have grown substantially; she was right and they were wrong. That's the sin they cannot forgive: she embarrassed them.

Apparently they don't know what happened.
 
Ha ha, never said that at all and YOU know it since you didn't quote me saying that.

:)

Thought it was implied, sorry if that was not your point. But what then do we learn from the increase in polar bear population?
 
From Encyclopedia Britannica

ZOOLOGY

Zoology, branch of biology that studies the members of the animal kingdom and animal life in general. It includes both the inquiry into individual animals and their constituent parts, even to the molecular level, and the inquiry into animal populations, entire faunas, and the relationships of animals to each other, to plants, and to the nonliving environment. Though this wide range of studies results in some isolation of specialties within zoology, the conceptual integration in the contemporary study of living things that has occurred in recent years emphasizes the structural and functional unity of life rather than its diversity.

LINK

Oops there goes your argument.

Meanwhile you still ignorant of the public ugly attack on her last winter?

Funny how you can’t produce even ONE paper...
 
Thought it was implied, sorry if that was not your point. But what then do we learn from the increase in polar bear population?

It's ok.

We are cool.
 
But the bears want the Inuits out on the ice so they can occupy their houses and eat their garbage, lets put it to a challenge: the Bears vs the Eskimos

I'm giving the Bears 2-1 odds if the government confiscates Eskimo rifles to keep them safer.

So what kind of lunacy does this post express? Go ahead, see if you can beat the odds, break the pattern of your past posts and actually make a point.
 
So what kind of lunacy does this post express? Go ahead, see if you can beat the odds, break the pattern of your past posts and actually make a point.

I'm always amazed by how impervious alarmists are to anything remotely resembling good news on the environment. The polar bears are doing just fine also global crop yields are up as the world continues to get greener because of increased CO2 levels. Surely that is also a good thing in a hungry world

The climate and biosphere are doing just fine. But of course if todays temperatures are supposedly all wrong then I wonder what would the right ones be ?
 
So what kind of lunacy does this post express? Go ahead, see if you can beat the odds, break the pattern of your past posts and actually make a point.

1 Polar bears are doing just fine.

2 African elephant species are not threatened by hunting, they are overpopulating the reserves they live on.

3 Lunacy begets lunacy, but mine was not unintended, it was sarcasm
 
I'm always amazed by how impervious alarmists are to anything remotely resembling good news on the environment. The polar bears are doing just fine also global crop yields are up as the world continues to get greener because of increased CO2 levels. Surely that is also a good thing in a hungry world

The climate and biosphere are doing just fine. But of course if todays temperatures are supposedly all wrong then I wonder what would the right ones be ?

Oh, come on. I for one was glad when I visited LA and found that the steps taken years ago seems to have made the air cleaner. Am delighted that polar bears are doing fine. Love the idea that so many countries decided to do something after the Paris meeting. I also was pleased with the lessening of acid raid. If scientists find out that they were wrong about climate change, that would be wonderful. Then I could go on to protect some endangered muskrat or whatever. If we find out that climate change was made up by the Chinese as Trump suggested, wouldn't that delight us all?
 
Oh, come on. I for one was glad when I visited LA and found that the steps taken years ago seems to have made the air cleaner. Am delighted that polar bears are doing fine. Love the idea that so many countries decided to do something after the Paris meeting. I also was pleased with the lessening of acid raid. If scientists find out that they were wrong about climate change, that would be wonderful. Then I could go on to protect some endangered muskrat or whatever. If we find out that climate change was made up by the Chinese as Trump suggested, wouldn't that delight us all?

I think everyone posting here would agree that pollution is a bad thing and should be tackled wherever possible. The climate change agenda has absolutely nothing to do with that as its really about controlling people. Hence why its always the politicians who screech the longest and loudest about its alleged terrors. Fear is control and control is power
 
Oh, come on. I for one was glad when I visited LA and found that the steps taken years ago seems to have made the air cleaner. Am delighted that polar bears are doing fine. Love the idea that so many countries decided to do something after the Paris meeting. I also was pleased with the lessening of acid raid. If scientists find out that they were wrong about climate change, that would be wonderful. Then I could go on to protect some endangered muskrat or whatever. If we find out that climate change was made up by the Chinese as Trump suggested, wouldn't that delight us all?

You realize that Polar Bears are *not* doing fine, right?
 
I think everyone posting here would agree that pollution is a bad thing and should be tackled wherever possible. The climate change agenda has absolutely nothing to do with that as its really about controlling people. Hence why its always the politicians who screech the longest and loudest about its alleged terrors. Fear is control and control is power

Controlling people? Smog checks, seat belt laws, fishing catch limits, etc., are about controlling people as well. You want to eliminate stop signs? If humans are affecting the climate negatively, makes sense to restrict certain activities. If not, once that becomes accepted science, we will all breathe a sigh of relief and buy bigger cars.
 
Controlling people? Smog checks, seat belt laws, fishing catch limits, etc., are about controlling people as well. You want to eliminate stop signs? If humans are affecting the climate negatively, makes sense to restrict certain activities. If not, once that becomes accepted science, we will all breathe a sigh of relief and buy bigger cars.

Of course its about controlling people through fear. Here is an example some of the nonsense our government paid for and tried to pedal here on our TV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDthR9RH0gw

Ironically the human CO2 fingerprint on climate has never even been detected against normal background climate variability yet according to our government an extra 0.01% of it in our atmospheric envelope can do all this
 
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Of course its about controlling people through fear. Here is an example some of the nonsense our government paid for and tried to pedal here on our TV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDthR9RH0gw

Ironically the human CO2 fingerprint on climate has never even been detected against normal background climate variability yet according to our government an extra 0.01% of it in our atmospheric envelope can do all this

When I was in grammar school, we had duck and cover practice in case of nuclear attack. In high school driver's ed, they had pictures of ugly accidents on the wall. Trump stoked fear of illegals in his campaign, rightly or wrongly. Assuming that the climate change folks have it right, what's wrong with an ad warning of possible consequences?

As to your last paragraph, publish your research, have it reviewed, testify before the relevant bodies, and help end this foolishness. Counter bad science with good science.
 
You realize that Polar Bears are *not* doing fine, right?

Well this one isn't:

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Don't let other guys have all the fun, here's how you can bag a real trophy and have a cool rug in front of your fireplace that will really impress your friends:

Hunting Polar Bear in The Arctic - Canada North Outfitting


After that you can make some really cool elephant foot stools to place around it:

Trophy Hunting the Elephant in South Africa


Just remember folks this is going on in "librul" Canada and Black Ruled South Africa

Should we send some white Americans in to teach these backwards people in Canada and the new South Africa a thing or two?
 

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When I was in grammar school, we had duck and cover practice in case of nuclear attack. In high school driver's ed, they had pictures of ugly accidents on the wall. Trump stoked fear of illegals in his campaign, rightly or wrongly. Assuming that the climate change folks have it right, what's wrong with an ad warning of possible consequences?

This is simply political disinformation and scaremongering though. On a par with the following ....

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As to your last paragraph, publish your research, have it reviewed, testify before the relevant bodies, and help end this foolishness. Counter bad science with good science.

Extra CO2 is a net benefit to the biosphere with the earth getting ever greener as a consequence. Crop yields are increasing too

Here is a simple demonstration of why that is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2qVNK6zFgE

More on the benefits of extra co 2 here .....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTeIkNud25I
 
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Wonderful. Get these studies peer reviewed then published in our top science mags, have Sen Inhoff call witnesses, convene a new Paris meeting and end the hysteria. And, of course, let democrats call witnesses as well.
 
Wonderful. Get these studies peer reviewed then published in our top science mags, have Sen Inhoff call witnesses, convene a new Paris meeting and end the hysteria. And, of course, let democrats call witnesses as well.
If you had any idea about the requirements of peer reviewed publications, you would understand that
CO2 enrichment on plant growth is a well know fact, and has been well documented in the scientific literature.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1365-2486.2006.01240.x
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0167880987900235
Better evidence is that our planet is greening up,
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth
 
If you had any idea about the requirements of peer reviewed publications, you would understand that
CO2 enrichment on plant growth is a well know fact, and has been well documented in the scientific literature.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1365-2486.2006.01240.x
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0167880987900235
Better evidence is that our planet is greening up,
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth

CO2 was known as you state as good for plants, plus good for people as I understand plants "exhale" oxygen. Still, there remains a large number of scientists who need to be enlightened. What is your plan to address those countries that signed up in Paris, plus the devious Chinese who made up the whole fraud Trump sagely warned us about?
 
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You realize that Polar Bears are *not* doing fine, right?

[h=3]Polar Bears Doing Quite Well - Canada Free Press[/h]https://canadafreepress.com/article/polar-bears-doing-quite-well



Mar 4, 2017 - Grim predictions of the imminent demise of polar bears--their 'harsh prophetic reality' as it has been called--have been touted since at least 2001. Such depressing prophesies have so widely missed the mark they can now be said to have failed. Polar Bears Doing Quite Well ...
 
CO2 was known as you state as good for plants, plus good for people as I understand plants "exhale" oxygen. Still, there remains a large number of scientists who need to be enlightened. What is your plan to address those countries that signed up in Paris, plus the devious Chinese who made up the whole fraud Trump sagely warned us about?
Please tell me what a large number of scientist need to be enlightened about?
The Paris agreement was completely unnecessary, because it does not identify the correct problem,
and I could care less what Trump says.
 
CO2 was known as you state as good for plants, plus good for people as I understand plants "exhale" oxygen. Still, there remains a large number of scientists who need to be enlightened. What is your plan to address those countries that signed up in Paris, plus the devious Chinese who made up the whole fraud Trump sagely warned us about?

Frankly I have no interest in what our politicians want us to believe. The climate is doing just fine and the observed evidence for that is overwhelming
 
Frankly I have no interest in what our politicians want us to believe. The climate is doing just fine and the observed evidence for that is overwhelming

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Thanks for posting this stuff. What I don't understand and wish the skeptics might explain: what is their strategy to counter what appears to be the scientific consensus about climate change? One skeptic pointed out that much of the world at onetime thought the earth was flat. Fair comparison. But still, what is the plan to challenge what they see as false science or alarmism? Part of the GOP doesn't believe in human caused change, apparently the only conservative party in the world that holds this belief. They control the government. Why not do something about it? Trump withdrew from the Paris agreement. That's it? Where are the hearings? Why doesn't Trump address the nation to get us on board with the skeptics' agenda?
 
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