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This Macaroni And Cheese Helps Fight Climate Change

Threegoofs said:
So that means bread isn’t natural, because it’s just the concentrated seeds from a grass with all kinds of denatured proteins from heat?
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Sigh,

the semantics game kicks in.

The discussion was over SUGAR, in which no one disputes is a natural substance, harmless in normal amounts in food, but concentrating it, can become harmful especially when it is used in elevated amounts for long period of time.

Wheat used to make bread doesn't increase the amount of protein in the bread, neither does its carbohydrate since they are not being concentrated at all. Table sugar from Sugar beets is a CONCENTRATED forum of natural sugar, something not found in Nature.

Sugar from Sugar beets undergo a refining process for the sugar, which is now in concentrated for being 100%,when it was around 15% in the sugar beet. Wheat to make bread are not refined since ALL of it are used to make flour, hence no concentration.

Understand the difference?
 
Sunsettommy said:
But the concentration of it is not natural, that is the point.
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I think the only natural concentration of plant sugars is honey, and some honey is toxic.
 
Threegoofs said:
It’s clearly too fancy for Renae, and obviously way too pricey.


The regular Annie’s is about $1.25 and tastes ok. But I can afford it.
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You need to go to a tongue specialist and have it checked out. The one box of Annie's that I had was terrible. The macaroni tasted like it had been made from cardboard and Elmer's glue and what they tried to pass off as cheese sauce had this weird after taste that reminded me of what gym socks smell like.
 
Renae said:
https://www.fastcompany.com/40539373/this-macaroni-and-cheese-helps-fight-climate-change


Fight Climate Change, eat over priced, nasty mac and cheese! I'm sorry, Mac and Cheese the Climate Change away with over priced, nasty.. sorry I can't find a a way to make this story more funny.
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If people wanted to use agriculture to sequester carbon, they'd stop fighting logging and get our forests healthy again. Every time there's fire, all that CO2 ends up right back in the atmosphere. Good logging practices, take CO2 and turn it into houses, paper, cosmetics, etc., all while reducing fires, encouraging growth and biodiversity, creating a whole lot of jobs, reducing housing costs and reducing the amount of rainforest being "logged" with bulldozers.
 
faithful_servant said:
You need to go to a tongue specialist and have it checked out. The one box of Annie's that I had was terrible. The macaroni tasted like it had been made from cardboard and Elmer's glue and what they tried to pass off as cheese sauce had this weird after taste that reminded me of what gym socks smell like.
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When I was kid my mother used to make "Health Cookies". Her lady
friends all raved about how good they were, us kids wouldn't eat them.
 
Steve Case said:
When I was kid my mother used to make "Health Cookies". Her lady
friends all raved about how good they were, us kids wouldn't eat them.
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I remember those cookies, we used to take them out have "cookie wars" with them. When mom caught us, we told her that we needed more because the Pruitt boy's mom was making more as well and we needed to keep up with them.
 
longview said:
I think the only natural concentration of plant sugars is honey, and some honey is toxic.
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Honey is not a concentrated sugar since there can be a lot of water in it as well as minerals and acids.

From Wikipedia,

"The viscosity of honey is affected greatly by both temperature and water content. The higher the water percentage, the more easily honey flows. Above its melting point, however, water has little effect on viscosity. Aside from water content, the composition of honey also has little effect on viscosity, with the exception of a few types. At 25 °C (77 °F), honey with 14% water content generally has a viscosity around 400 poise, while a honey containing 20% water has a viscosity around 20 poise. Viscosity increase due to temperature occurs very slowly at first. A honey containing 16% water, at 70 °C (158 °F), has a viscosity around 2 poise, while at 30 °C (86 °F), the viscosity is around 70 poise. As cooling progresses, honey becomes more viscous at an increasingly rapid rate, reaching 600 poise around 14 °C (57 °F). However, while honey is very viscous, it has rather low surface tension."

LINK

Table sugar is 100% sugar that came from Sugar beet with around 15% sugar level in it.

Wikipedia again,

"The root of the beet contains 75% water, about 20% sugar, and 5% pulp.[7] The exact sugar content can vary between 12 and 21% sugar, depending on the cultivar and growing conditions. Sugar is the primary value of sugar beet as a cash crop. The pulp, insoluble in water and mainly composed of cellulose, hemicellulose, lignin, and pectin, is used in animal feed. The byproducts of the sugar beet crop, such as pulp and molasses, add another 10% to the value of the harvest."

LINK
 
Threegoofs said:
It’s clearly too fancy for Renae, and obviously way too pricey.


The regular Annie’s is about $1.25 and tastes ok. But I can afford it.
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Hardly, I prefer "good" over cost. Like last night we had mesquite chicken Caesar salad and a garlic and olive oil sauteed dish of Chicken Prosciutto Tortellini with cremini mushroom's in a white wine base. Yeah, real, working class cheap meal at that... /smh
 
Your Star said:
All this did was make me want mac and cheese, and I don't need any MORE cheese in my diet.

Also, climate change is totally real, and if you don't believe the well documented evidence of climate change you don't deserve any kind of mac and cheese, period.
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Claimte, changes, we're not the ones panicking cause it does it's thing.
 
Sunsettommy said:
Sigh,

the semantics game kicks in.

The discussion was over SUGAR, in which no one disputes is a natural substance, harmless in normal amounts in food, but concentrating it, can become harmful especially when it is used in elevated amounts for long period of time.

Wheat used to make bread doesn't increase the amount of protein in the bread, neither does its carbohydrate since they are not being concentrated at all. Table sugar from Sugar beets is a CONCENTRATED forum of natural sugar, something not found in Nature.

Sugar from Sugar beets undergo a refining process for the sugar, which is now in concentrated for being 100%,when it was around 15% in the sugar beet. Wheat to make bread are not refined since ALL of it are used to make flour, hence no concentration.

Understand the difference?
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Not at all. You are refining the flour that goes into bread- removal of husk and often germ.


Heck- with boneless chicken you are concentrating the meat portion by removing the skin, feathers, beak and internal organs. I’m pretty sure that’s still ‘natural’.

Your issue with sugar isn’t concentration (heck- is sugar cane juice natural? It’s fairly concentrated) it’s REFINEMENT, meaning that the flavor compounds that are not sucrose are seperated, making molasses. Apparently under your definition, molasses isn’t natural either.
 
faithful_servant said:
You need to go to a tongue specialist and have it checked out. The one box of Annie's that I had was terrible. The macaroni tasted like it had been made from cardboard and Elmer's glue and what they tried to pass off as cheese sauce had this weird after taste that reminded me of what gym socks smell like.
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Eh. The kids liked it.

It was actually high fiber macaroni, if I recall.
 
Threegoofs said:
Not at all. You are refining the flour that goes into bread- removal of husk and often germ.


Heck- with boneless chicken you are concentrating the meat portion by removing the skin, feathers, beak and internal organs. I’m pretty sure that’s still ‘natural’.

Your issue with sugar isn’t concentration (heck- is sugar cane juice natural? It’s fairly concentrated) it’s REFINEMENT, meaning that the flavor compounds that are not sucrose are seperated, making molasses. Apparently under your definition, molasses isn’t natural either.
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Molasses doesn't exist in nature.

Anytime you remove things from a food to extract something in concentration is a REFINING process, which doesn't exist in nature, therefore not a Natural product.

Using your chicken example fails the test because nothing was concentrated, just removing the outer portion changed nothing for the meat itself.

Sugar Beets with a variable sugar content of 12-21% is a natural food. Refining that Sugar beet for just the sugar part only is not a natural food since it doesn't exist in nature.

If it doesn't exist in nature, then it is not natural.
 
Sunsettommy said:
Molasses doesn't exist in nature.

Anytime you remove things from a food to extract something in concentration is a REFINING process, which doesn't exist in nature, therefore not a Natural product.

Using your chicken example fails the test because nothing was concentrated, just removing the outer portion changed nothing for the meat itself.

Sugar Beets with a variable sugar content of 12-21% is a natural food. Refining that Sugar beet for just the sugar part only is not a natural food since it doesn't exist in nature.

If it doesn't exist in nature, then it is not natural.
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Sucrose definitely exists in nature.

As I said, sugar cane has a pretty high concentration, and drying out cane juice would concentrate it further. Most sugar comes from cane.

Wheat flour is generally crushed (husks removed, but apparently because it’s ‘outside’ it’s ‘natural’?) and the wheat germ is usually removed, unless you want whole wheat.

By your definition though, concentrating something is unnatural, so dried fruit which has most of the water removed is not natural.

Peeling an apple, for that matter, might not be natural, although I guess your inside-outside exception can be used here.

I wonder if you juice an orange and then concentrate that juice to make it easy to transport and then reconstitute it later if it went from natural to unnatural back to natural??


Your definition is pretty stupid.
 
Threegoofs said:
Sucrose definitely exists in nature.

As I said, sugar cane has a pretty high concentration, and drying out cane juice would concentrate it further. Most sugar comes from cane.

Wheat flour is generally crushed (husks removed, but apparently because it’s ‘outside’ it’s ‘natural’?) and the wheat germ is usually removed, unless you want whole wheat.

By your definition though, concentrating something is unnatural, so dried fruit which has most of the water removed is not natural.

Peeling an apple, for that matter, might not be natural, although I guess your inside-outside exception can be used here.

I wonder if you juice an orange and then concentrate that juice to make it easy to transport and then reconstitute it later if it went from natural to unnatural back to natural??


Your definition is pretty stupid.
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Definition of the word Nature:

"1. existing in or formed by nature

2. based on the state of things in nature; constituted by nature"

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You fail to notice the difference between what is natural and what is not.

All along I have been saying calling something "Natural" means it is found in its original form as found in nature, such as Sugar Beet, Wheat, Apple, orange

Sugar beet is found in Nature, Table sugar extracted from Sugar Beet is a PROCESSED food which doesn't exist in nature.

Wheat is found in nature, flour extracted from Wheat is a PROCESSED food which doesn't exist in nature.

Orange is found in nature, juice is extracted from Oranges is a PROCESSED food which doesn't exist in nature.

You can't call refined foods as being natural since they don't exist outside of human refining methods.

Here is what a licensed Nutritionist says about refined foods:

"A processed food is simply a food that has gone through a process. A processed food can be a refined food, however it can also be a healthy whole food that has simply been chopped, rolled or ground, aka gone through a process."

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From Merrium Webster:

"Definition of natural food

: food that has undergone minimal processing and contains no preservatives or artificial additives."

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Nature doesn't make Orange Juice, we do.

Nature doesn't make flour, we do.

Nature doesn't make table sugar, we do.

Etc....

You incredible inability to see the difference is making you look silly here.
 
Real macaroni and cheese is so easy to make, I have always been amazed that people buy it in a box.

I would think the amount of cheese and milk has a devastating effect on climate change, as dairy farming is known to be a factor.
 
Sunsettommy said:
Definition of the word Nature:

"1. existing in or formed by nature

2. based on the state of things in nature; constituted by nature"

LINK

You fail to notice the difference between what is natural and what is not.

All along I have been saying calling something "Natural" means it is found in its original form as found in nature, such as Sugar Beet, Wheat, Apple, orange

Sugar beet is found in Nature, Table sugar extracted from Sugar Beet is a PROCESSED food which doesn't exist in nature.

Wheat is found in nature, flour extracted from Wheat is a PROCESSED food which doesn't exist in nature.

Orange is found in nature, juice is extracted from Oranges is a PROCESSED food which doesn't exist in nature.

You can't call refined foods as being natural since they don't exist outside of human refining methods.

Here is what a licensed Nutritionist says about refined foods:

"A processed food is simply a food that has gone through a process. A processed food can be a refined food, however it can also be a healthy whole food that has simply been chopped, rolled or ground, aka gone through a process."

LINK

From Merrium Webster:

"Definition of natural food

: food that has undergone minimal processing and contains no preservatives or artificial additives."

LINK

Nature doesn't make Orange Juice, we do.

Nature doesn't make flour, we do.

Nature doesn't make table sugar, we do.

Etc....

You incredible inability to see the difference is making you look silly here.
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So now your story has changed to say flour isn’t natural?
 
JMR said:
Real macaroni and cheese is so easy to make, I have always been amazed that people buy it in a box.

I would think the amount of cheese and milk has a devastating effect on climate change, as dairy farming is known to be a factor.
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And this is why? Because cows emit methane and methane these days is reported to have a
global warming potential of 86 times more powerful than CO2?

Do you know what B.S. is? There's no way that methane is a stronger greenhouse gas than CO2.
What you never read about is, how much methane will run up global temperatures by 2100.
The reason for that is it isn't very much. Telling the hoi polloi that it's 86 times stronger is much
scarier than telling them that it's a nearly un-measurable few one hundredths of a degree by
the end of the century.

Well really, do an internet search in an attempt to find out how much methane will run up global
temperatures over time.
 
Steve Case said:
And this is why? Because cows emit methane and methane these days is reported to have a
global warming potential of 86 times more powerful than CO2?

Do you know what B.S. is? There's no way that methane is a stronger greenhouse gas than CO2.
What you never read about is, how much methane will run up global temperatures by 2100.
The reason for that is it isn't very much. Telling the hoi polloi that it's 86 times stronger is much
scarier than telling them that it's a nearly un-measurable few one hundredths of a degree by
the end of the century.

Well really, do an internet search in an attempt to find out how much methane will run up global
temperatures over time.
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...because internet searches substitute for scientific expertise in your bizarro world.
 
Threegoofs said:
So now your story has changed to say flour isn’t natural?
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Show me where does Nature make flour.

Snicker.........

Does it bubble out of the ground?

Grow on bushes?

You keep missing the central point over and over.

All along I have been saying calling something "Natural" means it is found in its original form as found in nature, such as Sugar Beet, Wheat, Apple, orange
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You also ignored what a Dictionary stated,

"Definition of natural food

: food that has undergone minimal processing and contains no preservatives or artificial additives."
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:cool:
 
Sunsettommy said:
Show me where does Nature make flour.

Snicker.........

Does it bubble out of the ground?

Grow on bushes?

You keep missing the central point over and over.



You also ignored what a Dictionary stated,




:cool:
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Bread. Unnatural.

Got it.
 
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