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The Chinese Join the Solar Climate Parade

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Solar climate explanations are suddenly in vogue. The fashion has reached China. The drift away from AGW orthodoxy is becoming broader.


Chinese researchers claim they discovered a 500 year solar cycle that may affect climate

This new paper has done some interesting analysis, similar to what we’ve seen done here on WUWT by Willis Eschenbach. It will be interesting to see what he and our resident solar physicist, Dr. Leif Svalgaard have to say about it. QUASI 500-YEAR CYCLE SIGNALS IN SOLAR ACTIVITY Earth Science Research; Vol. 7, No. 1…

QUASI 500-YEAR CYCLE SIGNALS IN SOLAR ACTIVITY
Earth Science Research; Vol. 7, No. 1; 2018
Lihua Ma, Zhiqiang Yin & Yanben Han – National Astronomical Observatories, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Beijing, China
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Abstract

Direct observations of solar activity are available for the past four century, so some proxies reflecting solar activity such as 14C, 10Be and geomagnetic variations are used to reconstruct solar activity in the past. In this present paper, the authors use rectified wavelet power transform and time-averaged wavelet power spectrum to investigate long-term fluctuations of the reconstructed solar activity series. The results show an obvious quasi 500-year cycle exists in the past solar activity. Three reconstructed solar activity series from 14C variations confirm the periodic signals. . . .

The paper (open access) is here: http://www.ccsenet.org/journal/index.php/esr/article/viewFile/72705/40127
 
Called it. China will find an explanation to avoid knee capping themselves on power and production and carbon. Lol.


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It is no news to anyone that changes in solar output can affect climate. We already know that. The point is that AGW is currently having a much stronger influence on the Earth's climate than changes in solar output.
 
Surface Detail said:
It is no news to anyone that changes in solar output can affect climate. We already know that. The point is that AGW is currently having a much stronger influence on the Earth's climate than changes in solar output.
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Radiation Transfer Calculations and Assessment of Global Warming ...

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/ijas/2017/9251034/


by H Harde - ‎2017 - ‎Cited by 2 - ‎Related articles
Nov 1, 2016 - To deduce the lw absorptivity at cloudiness from the radiation transfer calculations, the absorbed intensity listed in column 6 of Table 3, which now reflects the total absorption caused by the GH gases and the clouds, has to be reduced by the cloud fraction.

[h=4]Abstract[/h]
We present detailed line-by-line radiation transfer calculations, which were performed under different atmospheric conditions for the most important greenhouse gases water vapor, carbon dioxide, methane, and ozone. Particularly cloud effects, surface temperature variations, and humidity changes as well as molecular lineshape effects are investigated to examine their specific influence on some basic climatologic parameters like the radiative forcing, the long wave absorptivity, and back-radiation as a function of an increasing CO2concentration in the atmosphere. These calculations are used to assess the CO2 global warming by means of an advanced two-layer climate model and to disclose some larger discrepancies in calculating the climate sensitivity. Including solar and cloud effects as well as all relevant feedback processes our simulations give an equilibrium climate sensitivity of

= 0.7°C (temperature increase at doubled CO2) and a solar sensitivity of

= 0.17°C (at 0.1% increase of the total solar irradiance). Then CO2 contributes 40% and the Sun 60% to global warming over the last century.
 
Surface Detail said:
It is no news to anyone that changes in solar output can affect climate. We already know that. The point is that AGW is currently having a much stronger influence on the Earth's climate than changes in solar output.
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Greetings, Surface Detail. :2wave:

If the sun is going into a "resting" phase, as many have stated, could we then expect AGW to make up any differences caused by lessened solar output?
 
blackjack50 said:
Called it. China will find an explanation to avoid knee capping themselves on power and production and carbon. Lol.


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Knee capping themselves? I would say breathing in disgusting polluted air where you can't go outside without a mask is them knee capping themselves. There is that right wing mentality of greed worship, the only thing in the world that matters is the ability of companies to make more and more money. Everything and everybody else be damned

Fossil fuels are not an endless supply of energy, the sun is (well, it could burn out, but in millions of years) not. Wind, water movement, tidal movement keeps happening.

Meanwhile, wars are fought over fossil fuels, people are oppressed over it, environments destroyed over it, etc. There is nothing negative about getting away from fossil fuels as quickly as possible
 
Sampson Simpson said:
Knee capping themselves? I would say breathing in disgusting polluted air where you can't go outside without a mask is them knee capping themselves. There is that right wing mentality of greed worship, the only thing in the world that matters is the ability of companies to make more and more money. Everything and everybody else be damned

Fossil fuels are not an endless supply of energy, the sun is (well, it could burn out, but in millions of years) not. Wind, water movement, tidal movement keeps happening.

Meanwhile, wars are fought over fossil fuels, people are oppressed over it, environments destroyed over it, etc. There is nothing negative about getting away from fossil fuels as quickly as possible
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[h=3]The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels | Could everything we know about ...[/h]www.moralcaseforfossilfuels.com/



Alex Epstein's The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels may make your blood boil, but his cool reason and cold, hard facts will lead us beyond hysterics to a much better future.” —PETER THIEL, technology entrepreneur and investor. “This is the most objective and understandable book written to date on the cost and benefits of fossil ...







 
Sampson Simpson said:
Knee capping themselves? I would say breathing in disgusting polluted air where you can't go outside without a mask is them knee capping themselves. There is that right wing mentality of greed worship, the only thing in the world that matters is the ability of companies to make more and more money. Everything and everybody else be damned

Fossil fuels are not an endless supply of energy, the sun is (well, it could burn out, but in millions of years) not. Wind, water movement, tidal movement keeps happening.

Meanwhile, wars are fought over fossil fuels, people are oppressed over it, environments destroyed over it, etc. There is nothing negative about getting away from fossil fuels as quickly as possible
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Lmao. The “right wing mentality” of greed lol. That is hilarious. Humans have been greedy LONG before left and right existed slick. And the fact is...China...the government...and the companies operating there...don’t give 2 ****s about the health of the population. Do you honestly believe they would? Hell...China happily uses what amounts to North Korean slave labor at times too. Profits are their motive too. Doesn’t matter if they are funding a left wing socialist government or a right wing fascist one.

To believe China would willingly knee cap profits for some global “greater good” is only a naive mantra spewed by unicorn loving left wing nuts. Wake up and smell the coffee bud. All governments are ****ty and will look for loopholes to put themselves ahead of others. And they WILL do it at the expense of their people.

You want green tech to win? Have green tech become cheaper and more efficient than fossil fuels. It isn’t. Right now it requires subsidies. It requires cheating in prices. So why would a country cheat themselves when they could get ahead? Especially a nation like China that really wants to get ahead of America globally.
 
LOL. 500 year solar cycles.

And as our temperature has spiked over the last few DECADES.

And the solar cycle is at its low point!

Yet somehow this is being championed by deniers??
 
Threegoofs said:
LOL. 500 year solar cycles.

And as our temperature has spiked over the last few DECADES.

And the solar cycle is at its low point!

Yet somehow this is being championed by deniers??
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This is in China. What are their motives?


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blackjack50 said:
Lmao. The “right wing mentality” of greed lol. That is hilarious. Humans have been greedy LONG before left and right existed slick. And the fact is...China...the government...and the companies operating there...don’t give 2 ****s about the health of the population. Do you honestly believe they would? Hell...China happily uses what amounts to North Korean slave labor at times too. Profits are their motive too. Doesn’t matter if they are funding a left wing socialist government or a right wing fascist one.

To believe China would willingly knee cap profits for some global “greater good” is only a naive mantra spewed by unicorn loving left wing nuts. Wake up and smell the coffee bud. All governments are ****ty and will look for loopholes to put themselves ahead of others. And they WILL do it at the expense of their people.

You want green tech to win? Have green tech become cheaper and more efficient than fossil fuels. It isn’t. Right now it requires subsidies. It requires cheating in prices. So why would a country cheat themselves when they could get ahead? Especially a nation like China that really wants to get ahead of America globally.
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And green tech will be cheaper, as long as republicans get out of the way. YOu want improved technologies, you need to invest in the research, help them get started. The US invested in biotechnology, that opposed pharmaceutical industry, and we became world leaders. REpublicans fought any attempt at green energy to placate their oil industry donors, and now China and Europe are kicking our asses and they will be the leaders in green energy and this will benefit their countries. China sees that, why the hell do you think they are investing so heavily in green energy. They also have invested a ton in science, and now they lead the world in scientific publications, which is leading to increase in startups, biotech companies, telecommunications, pharmaceuticals. They are going to completely own the world because they are invested in science.

You laugh about the greed comment, yet most argumenst from right wingers come down to companies should be able do anything they want and we can't preve3nt them from making as much money as possible. They oppose regulations because they claim they harm companies. They give away billons of dollars in tax breaks to companies to the rich claiming it is needed for these companies to succeed and grow. They oppose environmental regulations because it is more costly for business to not just dump toxic waste wherever they want and do whatever they want. They oppose unions because god forbid the companies have to pay worker more and provide benefits, or regulations to protect workers from harm. Oh, that harms the company. The list goes on and on showing that greed. Your deflection of "well humans have always been greedy" does nothing to refute any of those positions right winger take.
 
Sampson Simpson said:
And green tech will be cheaper, as long as republicans get out of the way. YOu want improved technologies, you need to invest in the research, help them get started. The US invested in biotechnology, that opposed pharmaceutical industry, and we became world leaders. REpublicans fought any attempt at green energy to placate their oil industry donors, and now China and Europe are kicking our asses and they will be the leaders in green energy and this will benefit their countries. China sees that, why the hell do you think they are investing so heavily in green energy. They also have invested a ton in science, and now they lead the world in scientific publications, which is leading to increase in startups, biotech companies, telecommunications, pharmaceuticals. They are going to completely own the world because they are invested in science.

You laugh about the greed comment, yet most argumenst from right wingers come down to companies should be able do anything they want and we can't preve3nt them from making as much money as possible. They oppose regulations because they claim they harm companies. They give away billons of dollars in tax breaks to companies to the rich claiming it is needed for these companies to succeed and grow. They oppose environmental regulations because it is more costly for business to not just dump toxic waste wherever they want and do whatever they want. They oppose unions because god forbid the companies have to pay worker more and provide benefits, or regulations to protect workers from harm. Oh, that harms the company. The list goes on and on showing that greed. Your deflection of "well humans have always been greedy" does nothing to refute any of those positions right winger take.
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Here is a simple question. Can you purchase a gasoline powered engine in China or Russia or South Africa or Peru?

The fact is...ANY research that produces an advanced enough piece of green tech that is as efficient as any fossil fuel...WILL be available globally. You are claiming we need to “subsidize” it in order to get it. We don’t. We only have to buy it once and we will be able to make our own. Do you know who Henry Ford is? Tell you what. Why don’t YOU invest in it?

Anyway. Nothing that new in China. They are using hydroelectric and wind power primarily. Neither are new technologies. So “kicking our ass” they are not in green energy. Not in terms of knowledge. Anything they make...we can too. But do you want us putting dams in more rivers? You can bitch about the republicans all day long. But the fact is...WE as a nation don’t need to invest. Private citizens can do so. Companies can do so. Thrive or die. Elon Musk is a great example of what can be done with looking to the future WITHOUT getting involved in the political quagmire of handouts (aka favors) from corrupt government assholes.

Make it green. Make it cheap. Make it efficient. If you can’t...nobody is gonna buy it and you shouldn’t be forcing your ****ty product on the rest of us because you can buy the sympathy of a few emotionally unstable democrats.


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blackjack50 said:
This is in China. What are their motives?


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I would imagine it is similar to any other motive - academic researchers publishing their findings.

But the findings have nothing to do with the denier spin Jack and his pseudoscience websites are imagining. Its a 500 year cycle.
 
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