The difference between "climate change" and "Global Warming"

There are many here who simply use "climate change" and "Global Warming" as one and the same.


Let me help to educate you.


Climate change is both a science and an act of the climate changing, and not every act of climate change is warming, sometimes it is cooling.

Global Warming is a THEORY with precisely NO EVIDENCE to support it that the dominant cause of Earth climate change is the trace atmospheric gas Co2, all 0.04% of the atmosphere....


Try not to blur the two. The left has mastered that. You are a "climate change denier" if you notice that tectonic plate movement and the location of land is the dominant factor in Earth climate change. Nice....


Please, people, to have effective debates, let's get on the same page with the terms being used.


Climate change is real

Global Warming is a fraud.


There, that was not that hard....

Thanks?

LaDexter said:

There are many here who simply use "climate change" and "Global Warming" as one and the same.

Let me help to educate you.

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Sure. What are your credentials, and how much environmental research have you done?

LaDexter said:

There are many here who simply use "climate change" and "Global Warming" as one and the same.


Let me help to educate you.


Climate change is both a science and an act of the climate changing, and not every act of climate change is warming, sometimes it is cooling.

Global Warming is a THEORY with precisely NO EVIDENCE to support it that the dominant cause of Earth climate change is the trace atmospheric gas Co2, all 0.04% of the atmosphere....


Try not to blur the two. The left has mastered that. You are a "climate change denier" if you notice that tectonic plate movement and the location of land is the dominant factor in Earth climate change. Nice....


Please, people, to have effective debates, let's get on the same page with the terms being used.


Climate change is real

Global Warming is a fraud.


There, that was not that hard....

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So why do all these scientists write papers, conduct studies, have international meetings, etc. with NO EVIDENCE? What caused this great worldwide delusion that has apparently fooled everyone but part of the Republican Party? Why don't we put together an international commission of scientists to debunk all this stuff and have some big debate over policy? Your alternative of tectonic movement perhaps deserves a bigger hearing.

I realize a lot of people before Columbus thought the world was flat, but where is the skeptics' Magellan? We could name the conference after him.

This just in - the planet's human population quadruples in under 100 years (1927 to 2024).



Meanwhile, your tectonic plates keep crawling right along...

"So why do all these scientists write papers, conduct studies, have international meetings, etc. with NO EVIDENCE?"


Clearly, you aren't well schooled in the discipline of science. Let's go over what science and evidence are not... they are not

1. fudging data
2. cherry picking data
3. lying
4. parroting


Science starts with data. Global Warming starts with spin/lies and then fudges data to fit the lie.

"Hide the decline" is not science, but it is evidence of a DESIRE to FUDGE DATA to fit the cause....


The DATA.


The SURFACE GROUND TEMP SERIES is the one that shows warming in the organic data, the only such piece of evidence the "warmers" have. Every other series is doctored, with the obvious example being the atmosphere. Here, we have two and only two readings of atmospheric temps, satellites and balloons. Both showed no warming in highly correlated fashion. Now, in the practice of science, if you have two measures of the same thing from two different sets of instruments, and they produce highly correlated data - meaning both showed a below normal temp for the atmosphere during 1998 when Slick Willie boldly proclaimed "warmest year ever." Both series showed below normal temps for that year.


Here is the difference between SCIENCE and GLOBAL WARMING.

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", satellite and weather balloon data have actually suggested the opposite, that the atmosphere was cooling."

which is silly, because the data went up and down on a flat line, ending on a minor down point so it is now "cooling" instead of NO WARMING, which is what both showed from the scientific perspective of testing theory Global Warming given that CO2 had been going up as a % of the atmosphere.

SCIENCE accepts that data as accurate.

Those getting big fat GOVERNMENT CHECKS for FRAUD, LYING, and FUDGING DATA to fit a bogus "theory" saw it otherwise....


and FUDGED BOTH with two UNCORRELATED "corrections..."

ttwtt78640 said:

This just in - the planet's human population quadruples in under 100 years (1927 to 2024).

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Meanwhile, your tectonic plates keep crawling right along...

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Not so fast with the hate, there.

I am 100% with the overpopulation theory. I think we are well into "overpopulation" now.


Jerry Brown can blame the CA fires on "warming" in December all he wants. The bottom line is that there are too many people in CA sucking too much of nature's fresh water out of nature, leaving plants dry and ready to burn...

Algore's FRAUD is preventing desalination to fix that problem, in part because Jerry Brown and the state Dem party are stealing so much $$$$ from the taxpayer over it, they just can't stop lying....

"I realize a lot of people before Columbus thought the world was flat, but where is the skeptics' Magellan?"



And there you are, PARROTING the "consensus" of the mindless and ignoring the TRUTH of the DATA....


WHERE is the ocean rise?

WHERE is the breakout in Canes?

WHEN will NYC be underwater?

WHY are the taxpayer funded millionaires behind the FRAUD net BUYERS of expensive BEACHFRONT PROPERTY if they are sure the oceans are rising?




During the past million years, Greenland froze while NA thawed - did CO2 do that??


LOL!!!

LaDexter said:

There are many here who simply use "climate change" and "Global Warming" as one and the same.


Let me help to educate you.


Climate change is both a science and an act of the climate changing, and not every act of climate change is warming, sometimes it is cooling.

Global Warming is a THEORY with precisely NO EVIDENCE to support it that the dominant cause of Earth climate change is the trace atmospheric gas Co2, all 0.04% of the atmosphere....


Try not to blur the two. The left has mastered that. You are a "climate change denier" if you notice that tectonic plate movement and the location of land is the dominant factor in Earth climate change. Nice....


Please, people, to have effective debates, let's get on the same page with the terms being used.


Climate change is real

Global Warming is a fraud.


There, that was not that hard....

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Gosh, what a keen analytical mind. We are burning 100 million barrels pre day of petro and where does the waste heat go? My bad. I should have made the obvious connection that it heats up the air. That would be the air around the Planet, don't ya' know? Like leaving the heat on in my trailer/home/shack. That's just Petro. There are other heaters known as Nukes, Coal, Biomass, etc. and coal is an even larger heater than Petro. It's like leaving the heat on in your home, non stop, all day, all night, might be gonna get hot, even with the windows open, don't ya' know? I hope that's not too hi-tech for y'all. Anyways, all those heaters are heating the Global air, hence Global Warming.
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LaDexter said:

Not so fast with the hate, there.

I am 100% with the overpopulation theory. I think we are well into "overpopulation" now.


Jerry Brown can blame the CA fires on "warming" in December all he wants. The bottom line is that there are too many people in CA sucking too much of nature's fresh water out of nature, leaving plants dry and ready to burn...

Algore's FRAUD is preventing desalination to fix that problem, in part because Jerry Brown and the state Dem party are stealing so much $$$$ from the taxpayer over it, they just can't stop lying....

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Many say that the CA fire problem was due to too much water (from the preceding El Nino event) causing the overgrowth of plants that fueled the fires. In any event, the world population growth rate may well (soon?) take care of itself according to many experts on the matter.

"We are burning 100 million barrels pre day of petro and where does the waste heat go? "



Apparently this idiot doesn't understand Algore's FRAUD very well. Global Warming doesn't blame its ficticious "warming" on burning.... rather the molecular results of the burning, the "greenhouse gasses...."



" Anyways, all those heaters are heating the Global air, hence Global Warming."


Not a big fan of highly correlated satellite and balloon raw data, are ye....????

Ya have some like minded folks as taxpayer funded climate "scientists..." who didn't like it either...

With all the cold weather leftists are still pushing the sham of "climate change"?

Notice how they quit calling it "global warming"?

LOL!

"Many say "


and if it is 10, that's good...

if it is 100, that's just really good PROOF

and if it is 5000 climate "scientists," you are INSANE for not mindlessly PARROTING them....


What did Goebbels say???

ttwtt78640 said:

Many say that the CA fire problem was due to too much water (from the preceding El Nino event) causing the overgrowth of plants that fueled the fires. In any event, the world population growth rate may well (soon?) take care of itself according to many experts on the matter.

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The California fire problem is due to insane liberal (Democrat) policies that put the benefit of the bark beetle over human lives.

Do you nave any idea how much CA pays for water....

OK....


Here's the real truth...


CA pays MORE for ATTORNEYS to argue about water than it does for the water...


The water issue LEFT doesn't want DESAL because ATTORNEYS are BILKING THE @@@@ out of the taxpayer arguing about it....

LaDexter said:

There are many here who simply use "climate change" and "Global Warming" as one and the same.


Let me help to educate you.


Climate change is both a science and an act of the climate changing, and not every act of climate change is warming, sometimes it is cooling.

Global Warming is a THEORY with precisely NO EVIDENCE to support it that the dominant cause of Earth climate change is the trace atmospheric gas Co2, all 0.04% of the atmosphere....


Try not to blur the two. The left has mastered that. You are a "climate change denier" if you notice that tectonic plate movement and the location of land is the dominant factor in Earth climate change. Nice....


Please, people, to have effective debates, let's get on the same page with the terms being used.


Climate change is real

Global Warming is a fraud.


There, that was not that hard....

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I wouldn't say global warming is a fraud. I would say the fraud is the misconception of the global warming causes and the realistic measurements of global warming.

I agree we are warming, but not by as much claimed. With meteorological stations being close to populations, I will contend have a slow warming bias, as the populations increase. The effects of evapotranspiration losses as we cover natural land with asphalt, concrete, and building reduces the natural cooling. Rain water is now mostly diverted into storm sewers, where in the past,most would be absorbed in the ground, and slowly cool the area from evaporation cooling. Winds will carry this change of heat to nearby meteorological stations, and past readings are no longer comparable to recent reading to contend a given global temperature.

Phys251 said:

Sure. What are your credentials, and how much environmental research have you done?

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He makes sens.

What are your credentials o the topic?

Nickyjo said:

So why do all these scientists write papers, conduct studies, have international meetings, etc. with NO EVIDENCE? What caused this great worldwide delusion that has apparently fooled everyone but part of the Republican Party? Why don't we put together an international commission of scientists to debunk all this stuff and have some big debate over policy? Your alternative of tectonic movement perhaps deserves a bigger hearing.

I realize a lot of people before Columbus thought the world was flat, but where is the skeptics' Magellan? We could name the conference after him.

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Follow the grant money.

LaDexter said:

Do you nave any idea how much CA pays for water....

OK....


Here's the real truth...


CA pays MORE for ATTORNEYS to argue about water than it does for the water...


The water issue LEFT doesn't want DESAL because ATTORNEYS are BILKING THE @@@@ out of the taxpayer arguing about it....

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I was just thinking yesterday about the money activists pay lawyers, to force agendas for more tax dollar subsidies. I'm wondering if their concerns for their agenda would be less expensive if they started a charity instead trying to ilk tax dollars.

Lord of Planar said:

He makes sens.

What are your credentials o the topic?

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Sens?

Lord of Planar said:

Follow the grant money.

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That's it? Same phenomenon in so many countries? I don't know which is more remarkable this phenomen or the three million illegal votes that cost Trump the popular vote.

Seriously: Republicans control Congress. Why not have hearings or commission a study to expose what, if true, is one of the greatest frauds or collective delusions in history?

Nickyjo said:

That's it? Same phenomenon in so many countries? I don't know which is more remarkable this phenomen or the three million illegal votes that cost Trump the popular vote.

Seriously: Republicans control Congress. Why not have hearings or commission a study to expose what, if true, is one of the greatest frauds or collective delusions in history?

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That has nothing to do with this topic at the moment.

Phys251 said:

Sure. What are your credentials, and how much environmental research have you done?

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Care to look at the actual numbers, actual evidence rather than the degree of rank?

LaDexter said:

Not so fast with the hate, there.

I am 100% with the overpopulation theory. I think we are well into "overpopulation" now.


Jerry Brown can blame the CA fires on "warming" in December all he wants. The bottom line is that there are too many people in CA sucking too much of nature's fresh water out of nature, leaving plants dry and ready to burn...

Algore's FRAUD is preventing desalination to fix that problem, in part because Jerry Brown and the state Dem party are stealing so much $$$$ from the taxpayer over it, they just can't stop lying....

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There is no justifaction at all for this most evil of meams of over population.

There is a world wide glut of food. Or would be if we did not use laods of it for biofuel killing millions.

The speed of advancement of humanity is a factor of the number of humans connected to the world economy and to the opportunity to do science and engineering. More humans greater speed.

If the world's economically connect population was twice as big as now. That is a reasonable chance for the poor of the world where they could expect to earn $10 a day. Then the economies of scale would strt to make possible the greening of many desrets and semi-deserts.

https://www.newscientist.com/articl...-veg-in-a-desert-using-only-sun-and-seawater/

We can grow food, very productively, in places that have no rainfall if we wish to put in the effort. With a larger world economy that is reasonable.

The ideas of Hitler about killing off types of people he did not like are less dangerous than this killl off billions brain dead thinking.

DaveFagan said:

Gosh, what a keen analytical mind. We are burning 100 million barrels pre day of petro and where does the waste heat go? My bad. I should have made the obvious connection that it heats up the air. That would be the air around the Planet, don't ya' know? Like leaving the heat on in my trailer/home/shack. That's just Petro. There are other heaters known as Nukes, Coal, Biomass, etc. and coal is an even larger heater than Petro. It's like leaving the heat on in your home, non stop, all day, all night, might be gonna get hot, even with the windows open, don't ya' know? I hope that's not too hi-tech for y'all. Anyways, all those heaters are heating the Global air, hence Global Warming.
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Don't actully do physics do you?

The heat energy of humanity is tiny comapred to nature's effects. The heat energy delivered to the earth every day is lost again that night. Our heat energy input does not significantly alter the temperature of the world other than around the urban areas where it happens.

Note that this effect may well be over represented in the temperature data we collect.