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Amidst all the whining about 'alarmists', the sea ice continues to drop

Lord of Planar said:
LOL...

You are going to take a one time event that cyclically happens every decade of so, and what it does to area, and claim future loss of ice trend...

OK...

LOL...

LOL...
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LOL to you. You think ocean warming is cyclical?

Between 2008 and 2012, warmer than usual waters caused four glaciers in Western Antarctica to flow toward the sea faster than any other glacier on the continent. The glaciers also lost more than three times the amount of ice than usual, according to new research. All these changes are bad news for Antarctica — and us. As grounded glaciers melt, sea levels around the world rise.

The four glaciers described in the study, published last week in the journal Earth and Planetary Science Letters, are located in Marguerite Bay, on the western side of the Antarctic Peninsula. This is the northernmost area of the continent, and the one most susceptible to rising temperatures. Researchers at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) found that 1 to 2 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than usual waters in the area doubled the glaciers’ speed toward the sea, and more than tripled the amount of ice they lost — up to 33 feet a year, from 7 to 10 feet a year.
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https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/26/16363158/antarctica-glaciers-melting-marguerite-bay-climate-change-warming-oceans
 
Threegoofs said:
Scientists disagree.

But they only put in the work and actually measured it.

They don’t have the brilliant armchair knowledge that you sport.

Is melting ice lowering the salinity of the Southern Ocean? - Futurity
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According to their calculations, Haumann and his colleagues estimated the transport of freshwater by the sea ice has increased by up to 20 percent over the period 1982 to 2008. This would have caused a freshening of the sea water in the melt zone by as much as 0.02 grams per kilogram of sea water per decade.
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20 parts per million next to the melting ice.

Well, over a decade since there is no way this can be an ongoing continual increase. Once it has done the change then it cannot do it again.

So you are upset that the Antarctic sea ice zone has expanded. Upset that the Arctic sea ice zone has contracted.

It's just a phobia of chane with you.
 
SirGareth said:
I did my own "climate change" research for the city of Albany New York. I picked Albany because it has had a relatively stable population over the last 140 years and has an uninterrupted extant climate record for the period in question

Population of Albany NY From census data:


1880 90,758 30.7%
1890 94,923 4.6%
1900 94,151 −0.8%
1910 101,253 7.5%
1920 113,344 11.9%
1930 127,412 12.4%
1940 130,577 2.5%
1950 134,995 3.4%
1960 129,726 −3.9%
1970 115,781 −10.7%
1980 101,727 −12.1%
1990 101,082 −0.6%
2000 95,658 −5.4%
2010 97,856 2.3%
Est. 2016 98,111 [4] 0.3%

Link to Albany NY frost records

http://www.weather.gov/media/aly/Climate/growingseasons.pdf

We are told that growing season is getting longer as the climate heats up (so far absolutely no evidence)

Anyway I plotted information from the two separate sources and produced this graph

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The number of frost free days is certainly just as an effective chronicle of climate change as the daily high + daily low divided by two. (uncertainty as to how they chronicled theses benchmarks in 1880, did they hire someone to watch the thermometers all day and night long?)

The only correlation I can determine from the data is that the "climate" has changed very little over the last 140 years and the only correlation appears to be that the more people who lived in Albany the more frosty it got???

And this is how the dismal science of "climate change" progresses: "Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc" (whatever does that mean?)
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That garbage does not constitute research on any level.
It also shows a distinct lack on understanding of world history and environmental issues.
It is quite an ignorant post.
 
Tim the plumber said:

20 parts per million next to the melting ice.

Well, over a decade since there is no way this can be an ongoing continual increase. Once it has done the change then it cannot do it again.

So you are upset that the Antarctic sea ice zone has expanded. Upset that the Arctic sea ice zone has contracted.

It's just a phobia of chane with you.
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Ah.


The problem manifests itself.

You can’t interpret simple data.

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Threegoofs said:
Ah.


The problem manifests itself.

You can’t interpret simple data.

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No the issue is your innumeracy;

According to their calculations, Haumann and his colleagues estimated the transport of freshwater by the sea ice has increased by up to 20 percent over the period 1982 to 2008. This would have caused a freshening of the sea water in the melt zone by as much as 0.02 grams per kilogram of sea water per decade.
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20 parts per million as and when it happens that the ice border in a particular place moves over it.
 
SMTA said:
That garbage does not constitute research on any level.
It also shows a distinct lack on understanding of world history and environmental issues.
It is quite an ignorant post.
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The correlation is about as good as CO2 vs. temperature.
 
Tim the plumber said:
This is a science area of debate. Being spiritual about it makes you look stupid.
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How so. The melting of sea ice could reasonably be called a sign of a problem. No spirituality in the word "harbinger."
 
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