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    The Dutch Plan to Build a Huge Multi-National Offshore Wind Farm

    TenneT, a major Dutch utility, plans to build a huge offshore wind farm in the North Sea. Offshore winds are more powerful and consistent than most land-based turbines.

    The plan is to build a small man-made island in the center of the wind farm. The turbines will generate AC power, which is converted to DC at the island, and then distributed to nations around the North Sea -- UK, Belgium, Germany, Denmark and Norway. It could generate up to 30gwh, which is enough power for 21 million homes.

    There are obviously lots of challenges, mostly legal and economic. But it could be a big step for renewables in Europe.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...d-in-north-sea
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    Re: The Dutch Plan to Build a Huge Multi-National Offshore Wind Farm

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    TenneT, a major Dutch utility, plans to build a huge offshore wind farm in the North Sea. Offshore winds are more powerful and consistent than most land-based turbines.

    The plan is to build a small man-made island in the center of the wind farm. The turbines will generate AC power, which is converted to DC at the island, and then distributed to nations around the North Sea -- UK, Belgium, Germany, Denmark and Norway. It could generate up to 30gwh, which is enough power for 21 million homes.

    There are obviously lots of challenges, mostly legal and economic. But it could be a big step for renewables in Europe.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...d-in-north-sea
    I have to wonder when they say thing like,
    “It’s going to be expensive compared to what they produce locally [from windfarms nearer the coast],”
    up front, how much the power produced will cost?

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    Re: The Dutch Plan to Build a Huge Multi-National Offshore Wind Farm

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I have to wonder when they say thing like,
    Its going to be expensive compared to what they produce locally [from windfarms nearer the coast],
    up front, how much the power produced will cost?
    As the article points out: Offshore farms near the coast are already nearly maxed out. The plan is to hold down costs via economies of scale. However, almost all of the costs should be up-front, as the turbines don't use any sort of fuel, and don't produce waste.

    It could certainly turn out to be expensive. Presumably they will figure out more of the economic details as the plan develops.
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    Re: The Dutch Plan to Build a Huge Multi-National Offshore Wind Farm

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    TenneT, a major Dutch utility, plans to build a huge offshore wind farm in the North Sea. Offshore winds are more powerful and consistent than most land-based turbines.

    The plan is to build a small man-made island in the center of the wind farm. The turbines will generate AC power, which is converted to DC at the island, and then distributed to nations around the North Sea -- UK, Belgium, Germany, Denmark and Norway. It could generate up to 30gwh, which is enough power for 21 million homes.

    There are obviously lots of challenges, mostly legal and economic. But it could be a big step for renewables in Europe.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...d-in-north-sea
    Interesting. Sounds cool. I couldn’t find anything on the economics of it. If it can get by without subsidies, it would be a good idea.

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    Re: The Dutch Plan to Build a Huge Multi-National Offshore Wind Farm

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Interesting. Sounds cool. I couldn’t find anything on the economics of it. If it can get by without subsidies, it would be a good idea.
    No chance in hell it gets done without subsidies.
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    Re: The Dutch Plan to Build a Huge Multi-National Offshore Wind Farm

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    TenneT, a major Dutch utility, plans to build a huge offshore wind farm in the North Sea. Offshore winds are more powerful and consistent than most land-based turbines.

    The plan is to build a small man-made island in the center of the wind farm. The turbines will generate AC power, which is converted to DC at the island, and then distributed to nations around the North Sea -- UK, Belgium, Germany, Denmark and Norway. It could generate up to 30gwh, which is enough power for 21 million homes.

    There are obviously lots of challenges, mostly legal and economic. But it could be a big step for renewables in Europe.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...d-in-north-sea
    Environmental issues? Please! If there is enough money to be made and pocketed the project will get done. Build an island and disrupt the natural ocean floor, current flow and breeding grounds, phift! Silly human, none of that matters.
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    Re: The Dutch Plan to Build a Huge Multi-National Offshore Wind Farm

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    No chance in hell it gets done without subsidies.
    They are already paying dearly a gallon for fuel, so what's another 20-50 cents a gallon for fuel tax.
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    Re: The Dutch Plan to Build a Huge Multi-National Offshore Wind Farm

    I love the deniers. Wonder when the horseless carriage was coming into being if there Grandfathers said....what about the stables and the jobs of picking up horse crap.

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    Re: The Dutch Plan to Build a Huge Multi-National Offshore Wind Farm

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I have to wonder when they say thing like,
    “It’s going to be expensive compared to what they produce locally [from windfarms nearer the coast],”
    up front, how much the power produced will cost?
    The biggest cost is transportation.
    They are going to have to have some kind of capataors or batteries to pass the energy generated along.
    Even that though you are going to lose a % of energy just in that.

    Next is maintainablility. Being out in the North Sea salt water is going to wreak havoc on those turbines.
    Not to mention boating out to fix them etc ...

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    Re: The Dutch Plan to Build a Huge Multi-National Offshore Wind Farm

    Like any energy plan it's going to start expensive and then become more cost effective over time. The input cost is the main reason why fossil fuel economies don't want to make the conversion, so they are waiting for someone else to take the fall and sort out the bugs. Then based on the results they may acquire the tech and implement it more cheaply. Glad to see that the Dutch have the guts to make this attempt. They are at least partly securing their long-term energy economy by reducing the cost of domestic power and reducing reliance on dwindling fossil fuels.

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