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BREAKING: Trump to remove ‘climate change’ as a national security threat[W:25]

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The Trump administration will reverse course from previous Obama administration policy, eliminating climate change from a list of national security threats. The National Security Strategy to be released on Monday will emphasize the importance of balancing energy security with economic development and environmental protection, according to a source who has seen the document and shared excerpts of a late draft.​


https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/12...climate-change-as-a-national-security-threat/
 
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If it is to be considered a national threat, it would be because of the trillions of dollars it would cost trying to combat it.
 
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Can anybody tell me what the threat is actually of?

I mean the bad bit. Given the sea level rise is not going to flod any city that spends as much as it does on traffic lights on sea defences?
 
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Lord of Planar said:
If it is to be considered a national threat, it would be because of the trillions of dollars it would cost trying to combat it.
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That is why nobody has wanted to put a price on preventing climate change since the Stern Review produced a cost benefit framework that showed how tenuous such attempts are in justifying the necessary investments or even quantifying the required amounts. It was quite shocking, as a matter of interest, that unless you discount future benefits at near zero percent even modest investment are hard to justify. Of course, the study was based on 2006 technology.

Nota bene: Stern‘s conclusion that the traverse made sense depended on among other things that a benefit realized by unborn future humans were as important as benefits to living humans. This is picant considering that ours is a society tha allows a young woman to wipe out the future generations of her unborn for personal financial interests. Demanding of living persons major changes of their lifestyles for unborn seems to be inconsistent.
 
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bubbabgone said:
The Trump administration will reverse course from previous Obama administration policy, eliminating climate change from a list of national security threats. The National Security Strategy to be released on Monday will emphasize the importance of balancing energy security with economic development and environmental protection, according to a source who has seen the document and shared excerpts of a late draft.​


https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/12...climate-change-as-a-national-security-threat/
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You think it’s a national security issue and not civilian one?
 
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bubbabgone said:
The Trump administration will reverse course from previous Obama administration policy, eliminating climate change from a list of national security threats. The National Security Strategy to be released on Monday will emphasize the importance of balancing energy security with economic development and environmental protection, according to a source who has seen the document and shared excerpts of a late draft.​


https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/12...climate-change-as-a-national-security-threat/
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The armed forces will ignore this one, too. Just like they ignored the ‘transgender ban’.

Because anyone with half a brain knows that climate change is a long term threat to US National Security.

US Defense Dept Has a Severe New Climate Change Warning
 
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Tim the plumber said:
Can anybody tell me what the threat is actually of?

I mean the bad bit. Given the sea level rise is not going to flod any city that spends as much as it does on traffic lights on sea defences?
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Climate changes have always had a massive impact on humans. Massive migrations, the fall of empires, plagues, famine etc.

Here's an example of the last mini-ice age
Little Ice Age, Big Consequences - History in the Headlines

Some speculate that the Fall of Rome coincided with North American volcanic activity which led to a change in climate resulting in large migrations of populations.

Places that currently grow our crops and feed the world become less arable. A large percentage of the population in the world lives on lower lying coastal regions.
 
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iliveonramen said:
Climate changes have always had a massive impact on humans. Massive migrations, the fall of empires, plagues, famine etc.

Here's an example of the last mini-ice age
Little Ice Age, Big Consequences - History in the Headlines

Some speculate that the Fall of Rome coincided with North American volcanic activity which led to a change in climate resulting in large migrations of populations.

Places that currently grow our crops and feed the world become less arable. A large percentage of the population in the world lives on lower lying coastal regions.
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Oh, but he wants important changes.

Like what marginal impact it might have on his electricity bill. You know, consequential stuff!
 
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Why is it a 'national security threat' in the first place?
 
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bubbabgone said:
The Trump administration will reverse course from previous Obama administration policy, eliminating climate change from a list of national security threats. The National Security Strategy to be released on Monday will emphasize the importance of balancing energy security with economic development and environmental protection, according to a source who has seen the document and shared excerpts of a late draft.​


https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/12...climate-change-as-a-national-security-threat/
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That's really gross!
 
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holbritter said:
Why is it a 'national security threat' in the first place?
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Agreed.

Other than by some torturous and contorted rationalization.
 
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holbritter said:
Why is it a 'national security threat' in the first place?
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Long range planning is always important. Climate change from AGW is expected to have lots of ramifications.

Mass migration of populations, increasing refugees and instability, among other things.

Planning for an open Arctic sea- and strategizing how to limit Russia from taking it over.

Sea level rise at Naval harbors.

All the armed services agree, and have incorporated these things in their long range planning.

It’s easily found by a simple search. The fact that you are completely ignorant of it and have to ask the question above is quite telling.

Read something:

U.S. Military Prepares for Sea-Level Rise and Other Climate Change Impacts Despite Opposition
 
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Threegoofs said:
Long range planning is always important. Climate change from AGW is expected to have lots of ramifications.

Mass migration of populations, increasing refugees and instability, among other things.

Planning for an open Arctic sea- and strategizing how to limit Russia from taking it over.

Sea level rise at Naval harbors.

All the armed services agree, and have incorporated these things in their long range planning.

It’s easily found by a simple search. The fact that you are completely ignorant of it and have to ask the question above is quite telling.

Read something:

U.S. Military Prepares for Sea-Level Rise and Other Climate Change Impacts Despite Opposition
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You know, I'm getting tired of people being snarky and insulting just because I ask a ****ing question. Excuse the **** out of me!
 
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holbritter said:
You know, I'm getting tired of people being snarky and insulting just because I ask a ****ing question. Excuse the **** out of me!
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Hope you learned something.

It certainly seems like if you were even slightly interested in the question you would have looked to what experts on the issue say, rather than asking DP deniers.
 
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This will also be ignored by the military and other responsible government agencies.

Trump as an administrator is risking becoming a figure-head, like the Queen in the British Monarchy, with the exception of his ability to ratify legislation (has he ever veto'd anything?).

He says or does things by EO, and the agencies and military then act as they see fit, even sometimes rebuking him.

But he is doing a lot of temporary damage in the private sector, that will need undoing in 2020. His real lasting damage though is in his appointees and their actions, both the department heads and the judges. Their actions will cause some lasting and persistent problems, particularly the judges including the SCOTUS.
 
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joG said:
You think it’s a national security issue and not civilian one?
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I think it's neither.
AGW theory is a tool for Government.
Tools like AGW alarmism and others serve as the water in the classic "Boiling Frog" experiment ... only with Government it's gone beyond experimentation.
It gets you accustomed to accepting Government growth and dependence.
You know ...
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PLUS: Besides the political advantages, there's a whole lot of Government money to be had.
 
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holbritter said:
That's really gross!
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Isn't it ?
Happens all the time with the same people on this subject.
 
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bubbabgone said:
I think it's neither.
AGW theory is a tool for Government.
Tools like AGW alarmism and others serve as the water in the classic "Boiling Frog" experiment ... only with Government it's gone beyond experimentation.
It gets you accustomed to accepting Government growth and dependence.
You know ...
th



PLUS: Besides the political advantages, there's a whole lot of Government money to be had.
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Greetings, bubba. :2wave:

:agree: What they tell us, and what the truth might be, are two different stories! With a national debt in excess of $20 trillion dollars and climbing, we don't seem to have money for infrastructure repairs and replacement, plus paying even the yearly interest due on that debt is already becoming a problem, but we better have the billions available for any country who wants it because we will all be doomed if AGW is not funded by us? Riiight! :bs:
 
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holbritter said:
You know, I'm getting tired of people being snarky and insulting just because I ask a ****ing question. Excuse the **** out of me!
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Since you asked and got jumped on by someone who's still trying to establish themself as knowledgeable by being snarky & insulting (it's what he does and it never works), I'll take a shot.
For one thing, global sea level rise is measured in several millimeters per year.
In the 20th century, global sea level had only risen around 7 inches.
Now, for sea level to be perceived as rising almost double that rate somewhere in less time, there must be something else going on because the higher rate isn't a global phenomenon.
What it is, involves the land. Among other land related influences, the land in some locations is sinking. Norfolk is one of those places.
https://phys.org/news/2014-04-chesapeake-bay-impact-crater-sea.html

We needn't get into the fact that sea level everywhere has been rising for 20,000 years (the current interglacial period) ... obviously without assistance from human and fossil fuels.
That would make more heads explode.
 
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polgara said:
Greetings, bubba. :2wave:

:agree: What they tell us, and what the truth might be, are two different stories! With a national debt in excess of $20 trillion dollars and climbing, we don't seem to have money for infrastructure repairs and replacement, plus paying even the yearly interest due on that debt is already becoming a problem, but we better have the billions available for any country who wants it because we will all be doomed if AGW is not funded by us? Riiight! :bs:
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We be suckers, all right.
 
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bubbabgone said:
Since you asked and got jumped on by someone who's still trying to establish themself as knowledgeable by being snarky & insulting (it's what he does and it never works), I'll take a shot.
For one thing, global sea level rise is measured in several millimeters per year.
In the 20th century, global sea level had only risen around 7 inches.
Now, for sea level to be perceived as rising almost double that rate somewhere in less time, there must be something else going on because the higher rate isn't a global phenomenon.
What it is, involves the land. Among other land related influences, the land in some locations is sinking. Norfolk is one of those places.
https://phys.org/news/2014-04-chesapeake-bay-impact-crater-sea.html

We needn't get into the fact that sea level everywhere has been rising for 20,000 years (the current interglacial period) ... obviously without assistance from human and fossil fuels.
That would make more heads explode.
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Thank you. The 'security' part is what threw me, but with the military involved it makes more sense.
 
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holbritter said:
Thank you. The 'security' part is what threw me, but with the military involved it makes more sense.
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Yeah, the military would obviously be more nervous because what they perceive is sea level rise.
It's necessary that naval stations are located with access to water.
It's unfortunate that the one in Norfolk just happens to be on, let's say, "squishy" land that's "sinking".
But this episode does show how events that are not caused by climate change are blamed on climate change nonetheless.
I haven't bothered to look but if one were to do a search on the Norfolk subject, I suspect that whatever hits are returned will be traceable to very few original sources ... perhaps only one ... and is likely Government funded.
 
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bubbabgone said:
Yeah, the military would obviously be more nervous because what they perceive is sea level rise.
It's necessary that naval stations are located with access to water.
It's unfortunate that the one in Norfolk just happens to be on, let's say, "squishy" land that's "sinking".
But this episode does show how events that are not caused by climate change are blamed on climate change nonetheless.
I haven't bothered to look but if one were to do a search on the Norfolk subject, I suspect that whatever hits are returned will be traceable to very few original sources ... perhaps only one ... and is likely Government funded.
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I think if a reasonable person looked at the three tide stations around Norfolk,
Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel 5.94 mm/yr
Kiptopeke, VA 3.61 mm/yr
and Portsmouth, VA 3.76 mm/yr
The higher number is on a man made island in the middle of the pass.
The tidal currents that rip in and out of that pass twice daily, could be having an effect on the man made island.
 
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Our President Trump keeps hitting the ball out of the park !
It's going to be a good week for our country.
Too bad I have a artificial tree. If not I go cut one down.
 
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