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BREAKING: Trump to remove ‘climate change’ as a national security threat[W:25]

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It's the change that is the issue when discussing Climate change. Places that people live now become flooded. Places that grow food no longer can grow that food while other places become arable.

During the Holocene period, the American Midwest was a desert. A lot of crops are grown in that area now. Even if another part of the world benefits, it doesn't have the infrastructure and set up of the American Midwest. That infrastructure has been built up over decades. That's just one example of change.

We have billions of people on this planet so massive disruptions in our food sources would cause a famine.

And much of these changers are natural without our help.

We agree than mankind has an impact, but your side has become a total joke by blaming everything on AGW.
 
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And much of these changers are natural without our help..

The two aren't mutually exclusive...the climate can fluctuate naturally due volcanic activity or solar fluctuations while also impacted through greenhouse gases.

We agree than mankind has an impact, but your side has become a total joke by blaming everything on AGW.
To who? Conservatives in the United States?
 
The Trump administration will reverse course from previous Obama administration policy, eliminating climate change from a list of national security threats. The National Security Strategy to be released on Monday will emphasize the importance of balancing energy security with economic development and environmental protection, according to a source who has seen the document and shared excerpts of a late draft.​


https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/12...climate-change-as-a-national-security-threat/

Excellent news!
 
Re: BREAKING: Trump to remove ‘climate change’ as a national security threat

To who? Conservatives in the United States?

Those who understand science and don't politicize it.

Those you probably call "deniers."
 
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By “politicize” it you mean come up with policy based on widely accepted science.

It isn't that simple.
 
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You can plan for it. You can have things in place to lessen the impact. That's the whole point of calling it a threat.

What would you put in place to stop another glacier period?
Please tell us.

You do realize that another one is possible it is just a matter of time.
 
Re: BREAKING: Trump to remove ‘climate change’ as a national security threat

It's the change that is the issue when discussing Climate change. Places that people live now become flooded. Places that grow food no longer can grow that food while other places become arable.

During the Holocene period, the American Midwest was a desert. A lot of crops are grown in that area now. Even if another part of the world benefits, it doesn't have the infrastructure and set up of the American Midwest. That infrastructure has been built up over decades. That's just one example of change.

We have billions of people on this planet so massive disruptions in our food sources would cause a famine.

Whilst the American South West was indeed drier during the warmer periods it is the execption to an other wise wetter world whe it was warmer.

And no, it is not simply change that is a problem. The increase in flooding you speak of is tiny. Those people who actually do stuff inthe world are confident enough to deal with the prospect easily.
 
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Whilst the American South West was indeed drier during the warmer periods it is the execption to an other wise wetter world whe it was warmer..

What areas become wetter and what areas become drier make a large difference. Do you think Mongolia or African nations around the Sahara are ready to start replacing the food production in California and the Midwest? Do you think they have the infrastructure to ship that food around the world? US crops from the Midwest play a large part in other nations food production. US soy and corn feed China's farm animals. So when the US can't product that huge amount of corn and soy to feed our own farm animals much less the world, do you think that will put a strain on food prices? How seamless do you think that transition will take place?

It's good and all that places in Europe will experience milder climate but what's the population density of western Europe and England compared to the US Midwest or the US in general?

And no, it is not simply change that is a problem. The increase in flooding you speak of is tiny. Those people who actually do stuff inthe world are confident enough to deal with the prospect easily.
Well, since you are the expert in people "who actually do stuff in the world" I guess I'll just defer to you.
 
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What would you put in place to stop another glacier period?
Please tell us.

You do realize that another one is possible it is just a matter of time.

What does this response have to do with what you quoted from me?
 
Re: BREAKING: Trump to remove ‘climate change’ as a national security threat

Climate ugliness
[h=1]Trump White House: Climate ACTIVISTS Are a National Security Threat[/h]Guest essay by Eric Worrall h/t Breitbart – The directive which removed Climate Change from the list of national security threats also suggests that the real threat to US national security is climate activists. From the NSS Document; … Climate policies will continue to shape the global energy system. U.S. leadership is indispensable to countering…
 
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What does this response have to do with what you quoted from me?

You can plan for it. you can put things in place to mitigate it.

i asked what would you put in place to prepare for such an event.
so it has a lot to do with what you said.
 
Re: BREAKING: Trump to remove ‘climate change’ as a national security threat

What areas become wetter and what areas become drier make a large difference. Do you think Mongolia or African nations around the Sahara are ready to start replacing the food production in California and the Midwest?

No. But the mid-west and california are not going to be troubled. Especially California where the irrigation system is relied upon for most of the agriculture.

Do you think they have the infrastructure to ship that food around the world?

Can have very easily. But will not be necessary.

US crops from the Midwest play a large part in other nations food production. US soy and corn feed China's farm animals. So when the US can't product that huge amount of corn and soy to feed our own farm animals much less the world, do you think that will put a strain on food prices? How seamless do you think that transition will take place?

As a direct result of the silly hype over CO2 we now use vast amounts of food as fuel with no CO2 net benefit. This has raised world food prices by at least 40%. The poor of the world are dying of hunger due to this at, my guess, at least 20 million per year. This is a greater crime against humanity than WWII.

It's good and all that places in Europe will experience milder climate but what's the population density of western Europe and England compared to the US Midwest or the US in general?

Much higher. What is your point?


Well, since you are the expert in people "who actually do stuff in the world" I guess I'll just defer to you.

What have you ever done in your career that has not been the path of least risk? Have you ever taken a choice which, having thought about the cost and risks vs the benefit, has been worth it?
 
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