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Climate Alarmists Caught Faking Sea Level Rise

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[h=1]30 years of NOAA tide gauge data debunk 1988 Senate hearing climate alarmist claims[/h][FONT=&quot]Guest essay by Larry Hamlin NOAA has updated its coastal tide gauge measurement data through year 2018 with this update now providing 30 years of actual data since the infamous 1988 Senate hearings that launched the U.S. climate alarmist political propaganda campaign. In June of 1988 testimony was provided before Congress by various scientists, including…
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[h=2]Is Satellite Altimeter-based Sea Level Rise Acceleration from a Biased Water Vapor Correction?[/h]March 7th, 2019SUMMARY: Evidence is presented that an over-correction of satellite altimeter data for increasing water vapor might be at least partly responsible for the claimed “acceleration” of recent sea level rise. . . .

Regardless the reason, I know far more than most people when it comes to microwave propagation. There is no way to do any accurate measurements in an ever changing atmosphere. I have stated this from day one when satellites were mentioned top measure temperate and sea level.

Any time they have to add assumed corrections.... What does that say?

satellite data is simply not something to count on for sea level or temperature, at least not to the resolutions claimed and needed.
 
Regardless the reason, I know far more than most people when it comes to microwave propagation. There is no way to do any accurate measurements in an ever changing atmosphere. I have stated this from day one when satellites were mentioned top measure temperate and sea level.

Any time they have to add assumed corrections.... What does that say?

satellite data is simply not something to count on for sea level or temperature, at least not to the resolutions claimed and needed.

I think you would enjoy that entire post.
 
That's a huge change, and likely to be revised again when the impact of this minor solar dimming we have starts influencing the ocean heat content.

Heat is not 'contained' in anything.

Stars don't heat the oceans. Go read up on Kepler's inverse square law for light.
 
[h=2]Is Satellite Altimeter-based Sea Level Rise Acceleration from a Biased Water Vapor Correction?[/h]March 7th, 2019SUMMARY: Evidence is presented that an over-correction of satellite altimeter data for increasing water vapor might be at least partly responsible for the claimed “acceleration” of recent sea level rise. . . .

Satellites are incapable of measuring absolute sea level. There is no valid reference point. They are very good at measuring relative sea levels (one point on the sea compared to another). This make them useful for measuring storm surges.
 
I think you would enjoy that entire post.

Lord of Planer is actually right about this. Satellites measure light, not temperature. The emissivity of Earth is unknown.
For sea level, the satellite must accurately know it's own position. The speed and altitude of any satellite changes slightly as it orbits the Earth, due to the uneven gravity fields of Earth itself. A reference station is in Boulder, CO for the 'sea level' satellites, but that is a passing beacon on each orbit and is located on a land station, which moves with the land. Even the land had tides (just not as pronounced as water), and the tectonic plates themselves move, tilt, sink, rise, etc.

As Lord Planer correctly points out, the frequency of light used to make the measurement must be one that reliably penetrates the atmosphere to reach the surface you are measuring. There is NO frequency of light that is not affected in some way by the atmosphere.
 
Yes you did. Sinking land does not displace water, dude. Land isn't floating on water.

The entire lithosphere is floating on molten rock. This is where the displacement occurs. As the lithosphere containing land above sea level sink into the molten area, the less massive lithosphere containing water rises.

Buoyancy rules. It takes a very long time, but the effect is real.
 
[h=2]New Study Shows Sea Level Near In Western Pacific Was 0.4 Meters Higher 3600 Years Ago Than Today[/h]By P Gosselin on 9. March 2019
Alarmists say that sea levels are rising more rapidly than ever, and unless we act now to take over the climate using the secret man-made CO2 reduction method, soon New York and even Cologne, Germany, will end up in water. At least that’s the alarmist scenario that the Truth Media like to tell us about.
However, a number of studies and tide gauge data tell us a very different story. Hat-tip: reader Mary Brown.
The latest study titled: Holocene sea-level change and evolution of a mixed coral reef and mangrove system at Iriomote Island, southwest Japan, by Yamano et al tells us that sea levels were more than 1 meter higher 5100 to 3600 years ago than they are today they, or 0.4 meters when corrected for tectonics. . . .
 
New Paper: Widespread Collapse Of Ice Sheets ~5000 Years Ago Added 3-4 Meters To Rising Seas

By Kenneth Richard on 11. March 2019
During the Mid-Holocene, when CO2 concentrations were stable and low (270 ppm), Antarctica’s massive Ross Ice Shelf naturally collapsed, adding the meltwater equivalent of 3-4 meters to sea levels.

Because CO2 concentrations changed very modestly during the pre-industrial Holocene (approximately ~25 ppm in 10,000 years), climate models that are predicated on the assumption that CO2 concentration changes drive ocean temperatures, ice sheet melt, and sea level rise necessarily simulate a very stable Holocene climate.
In contrast, changes in ocean temperatures, ice sheet melt, and sea level rise rates were far more abrupt and variable during the Holocene than during the last 100 years. . . .

[h=4]Widespread collapse of ice sheets from 5000-1500 years ago[/h]A new paper (Yokoyama et al. [2019]) suggests that the Antarctic (and/or Greenland) ice sheets melted to such an extent around 5000 years ago that they added between 3 and 4 meters to sea levels.
The Ross Ice Shelf (Antarctica) underwent “widespread collapse” during this period (Yokoyama et al., 2016), subjected to rates of retreat and sub-ice shelf water temperatures much higher than present.
These melting events occurred while CO2 concentrations were a low and quiescent 270 ppm. . . .
 
New Paper: Widespread Collapse Of Ice Sheets ~5000 Years Ago Added 3-4 Meters To Rising Seas

By Kenneth Richard on 11. March 2019
During the Mid-Holocene, when CO2 concentrations were stable and low (270 ppm), Antarctica’s massive Ross Ice Shelf naturally collapsed, adding the meltwater equivalent of 3-4 meters to sea levels.

Because CO2 concentrations changed very modestly during the pre-industrial Holocene (approximately ~25 ppm in 10,000 years), climate models that are predicated on the assumption that CO2 concentration changes drive ocean temperatures, ice sheet melt, and sea level rise necessarily simulate a very stable Holocene climate.
In contrast, changes in ocean temperatures, ice sheet melt, and sea level rise rates were far more abrupt and variable during the Holocene than during the last 100 years. . . .

[h=4]Widespread collapse of ice sheets from 5000-1500 years ago[/h]A new paper (Yokoyama et al. [2019]) suggests that the Antarctic (and/or Greenland) ice sheets melted to such an extent around 5000 years ago that they added between 3 and 4 meters to sea levels.
The Ross Ice Shelf (Antarctica) underwent “widespread collapse” during this period (Yokoyama et al., 2016), subjected to rates of retreat and sub-ice shelf water temperatures much higher than present.
These melting events occurred while CO2 concentrations were a low and quiescent 270 ppm. . . .

They will never understand that CO2 isn't the cause of these things. They have been very well indoctrinated into the Church of Climastrology.
 
You may be interested in Svensmark's new paper.

Maybe, but I am more interested in the more significant causes. I have no doubt that cosmic rays play a role, and I do know they are modulated by the sun's magnetic cycles. This is a no brainier. I'm just not convinced it's significant enough for me to spend time on.
 
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