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Are we headed for near-term human extinction?

Recent studies suggest it is irresponsible to rule out the possibility after last week’s “warning to humanity” from more than 15,000 climate change scientists

BY ZACH RUITER NOVEMBER 22, 2017 3:34 PM

A “warning to humanity” raising the spectre “of potentially catastrophic climate change… from burning fossil fuels, deforestation and agricultural production – particularly from farming ruminants for meat consumption,” was published in the journal BioScience last week.

More than 15,000 scientists from 184 countries endorsed the caution, which comes on the 25th anniversary of a letter released by the Union of Concerned Scientists in 1992, advising that “a great change in our stewardship of the earth and the life on it is required, if vast human misery is to be avoided.”

https://nowtoronto.com/news/are-we-headed-for-near-term-human-extinction/
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Science proves kids are bad for Earth. Morality suggests we stop having them.

We need to stop pretending kids don’t have environmental and ethical consequences.

by Travis Rieder / Nov.15.2017 / 7:17 PM ET

A startling and honestly distressing view is beginning to receive serious consideration in both academic and popular discussions of climate change ethics. According to this view, having a child is a major contributor to climate change. The logical takeaway here is that everyone on Earth ought to consider having fewer children.

https://nowtoronto.com/news/are-we-headed-for-near-term-human-extinction/
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Climate change ‘will create world’s biggest refugee crisis’

Experts warn refugees could number tens of millions in the next decade, and call for a new legal framework to protect the most vulnerable

Tens of millions of people will be forced from their homes by climate change in the next decade, creating the biggest refugee crisis the world has ever seen, according to a new report.

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...nge-will-create-worlds-biggest-refugee-crisis
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‘We will be toasted, roasted and grilled’: IMF chief sounds climate change warning

Christine Lagarde warns of ‘dark future’ if the world fails to take steps to address global warming

The world will be in deep trouble if it fails to tackle climate change and inequality, IMF managing director Christine Lagarde has warned.

“If we don’t address these issues… we will be moving to a dark future” in 50 years, she told a major economic conference in the Saudi capital Riyadh on Tuesday.

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...illed-imf-chief-sounds-climate-change-warning
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Beyond EPA’s Clean Power decision: Climate action window could close as early as 2023

ANN ARBOR–As the Trump administration repeals the U.S. Clean Power Plan, a new studyfrom the University of Michigan underscores the urgency of reducing greenhouse gas emissions–from both environmental and economic perspectives.

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/acs.est.7b01295
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Carbon feedback from forest soils will accelerate global warming, 26-year study projects

From the MARINE BIOLOGICAL LABORATORY

WOODS HOLE, Mass. — After 26 years, the world’s longest-running experiment to discover how warming temperatures affect forest soils has revealed a surprising, cyclical response: Soil warming stimulates periods of abundant carbon release from the soil to the atmosphere alternating with periods of no detectable loss in soil carbon stores. Overall, the results indicate that in a warming world, a self-reinforcing and perhaps uncontrollable carbon feedback will occur between forest soils and the climate system, adding to the build-up of atmospheric carbon dioxide caused by burning fossil fuels and accelerating global warming. The study, led by Jerry Melillo, Distinguished Scientist at the Marine Biological Laboratory (MBL), appears in the October 6 issue of Science.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/10/05/claim-the-soil-will-turn-on-us-and-accelerate-global-warming/
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There was recently another prediction that the UK will stop having snow in the winter. The last time that prediction was made, in 2007, the UK had several years of hard winters with lots of snow.

In short, the accuracy of these sorts of predictions has been pretty poor in the past. We'll see if that continues.
 
In my lifetime I don't see much happening unless it be either be a solar flare, or man-man thermonuclear destruction...although alien invasion is always possible. ;)

Otherwise, I figure the world will end for me either in my sleep of old age, or sooner due to some unexpected personal misfortune.

In any event, I don't usually give it much thought. :shrug:
 
LowDown said:
In short, the accuracy of these sorts of predictions has been pretty poor in the past. We'll see if that continues.
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So true.

I am surprised that they are so dedicated to the false prophesies!
 
My grand father (on my mothers side) who lived his entire life in Rumford Maine (born in 1902) told me on a few occasions about not having any real snow for some period of years during his youth. He told me about a few years where he wore a sweater all winter.
 
Climate ugliness
[h=1]A Green Tries to Defend Eco-Terrorism[/h]Guest essay by Eric Worrall Emily Johnston, who admitted shutting down 5 pipelines last year with the help of four friends, has finally found a judge willing to hear her “necessity defence”. I shut down an oil pipeline – because climate change is a ticking bomb Emily Johnston Friday 24 November 2017 20.00 AEDT Normal…
 
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Climate ugliness
[h=1]A Green Tries to Defend Eco-Terrorism[/h]Guest essay by Eric Worrall Emily Johnston, who admitted shutting down 5 pipelines last year with the help of four friends, has finally found a judge willing to hear her “necessity defence”. I shut down an oil pipeline – because climate change is a ticking bomb Emily Johnston Friday 24 November 2017 20.00 AEDT Normal…
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Greetings, Jack. :2wave:

IMO, she's apparently just looking for attention, since she went to some trouble to make sure she gets it, IMO! It will be interesting to learn who helped her find a sympathetic judge, though.

In any event, her attempt to become the new spokesperson for the CAGW group is not going to work, because the science is not yet universally accepted sufficiently to be the "ticking time bomb" problem that she apparently thinks is the case, and since she can't see the future - which none of us can - she's going to get a :failpail: from me! :mrgreen:
 
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LowDown said:
There was recently another prediction that the UK will stop having snow in the winter. The last time that prediction was made, in 2007, the UK had several years of hard winters with lots of snow.

In short, the accuracy of these sorts of predictions has been pretty poor in the past. We'll see if that continues.
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All the alarmist nonsense from the left makes me want to post this:

 
Surface Detail said:
Was there really. Let's see it then.
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Here you go:

Global warming melts hopes of a white Christmas in Ireland

A leading climatologist has some bad news for snow-lovers

By Nick Bramhill
14:31, 12 NOV 2017

The prospect of Ireland waking up to a white Christmas is becoming more and more unlikely every year, according to a leading climatologist.

Prof John Sweeney said that Ireland can expect increasingly warmer winters due to global warming, resulting in less snowfall in the traditionally coldest months of the year.
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LowDown said:
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1) Ireland is not the UK.

2) "Less snowfall in the traditionally coldest months of the year" is not "stop having snow in the winter".

With that level of reporting accuracy, you should be a journalist.
 
Surface Detail said:
1) Ireland is not the UK.

2) "Less snowfall in the traditionally coldest months of the year" is not "stop having snow in the winter".

With that level of reporting accuracy, you should be a journalist.
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Ireland includes part of the UK and is located a short distance from the rest of the UK.

I'm betting on more snowfall. That's what happened the last time one of these predictions was made, in 2007.

Funny that: A climate alarmist demanding accuracy.
 
LowDown said:
Ireland includes part of the UK and is located a short distance from the rest of the UK.

I'm betting on more snowfall. That's what happened the last time one of these predictions was made, in 2007.

Funny that: A climate alarmist demanding accuracy.
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Just something vague related to the truth would be a start in your case. What, exactly, was this prediction in 2007 that you are referring to? Can you link to it or quote it? Did someone really predict that the UK would stop having snow in the winter, as you claim? Or is this just another of your "inaccuracies"?
 
What is the purpose of this post? Is it to point out, that sometimes media sources make a false prediction? If this is the case, does that somehow discredit all scientific studes on the topic?
 
Surface Detail said:
Just something vague related to the truth would be a start in your case. What, exactly, was this prediction in 2007 that you are referring to? Can you link to it or quote it? Did someone really predict that the UK would stop having snow in the winter, as you claim? Or is this just another of your "inaccuracies"?
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I think it was David Parker who said,
"British children could have only virtual experience of snow."

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According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia ,within a few years winter snowfall will become “a very rare and exciting event”. “Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,” he said.
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Surface Detail said:
1) Ireland is not the UK.

2) "Less snowfall in the traditionally coldest months of the year" is not "stop having snow in the winter".

With that level of reporting accuracy, you should be a journalist.
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Northern Ireland is in the UK.
 
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According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia ,within a few years winter snowfall will become “a very rare and exciting event”. “Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,” he said.
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Oh, you missed out the second half of his quote:

Heavy snow will return occasionally, says Dr Viner, but when it does we will be unprepared. "We're really going to get caught out. Snow will probably cause chaos in 20 years time," he said.
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It seems Dr Viner has been pretty close to the mark. We've had very little snow in my part of the UK over the past few years, to the extent that very young children may not yet have seen it. However, we were indeed caught out quite badly in the winters of 2009-10 and 2010-11.
 
Surface Detail said:
Oh, you missed out the second half of his quote:



It seems Dr Viner has been pretty close to the mark. We've had very little snow in my part of the UK over the past few years, to the extent that very young children may not yet have seen it. However, we were indeed caught out quite badly in the winters of 2009-10 and 2010-11.
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It snows in Houston, Texas roughly every 7 years, My kids both saw two snowfalls before they turned 18.
That average is over a century old.
Houston knows how to prepare for Hurricanes, snowstorms, not so much.
If your area has seen little snow, the question would become is that normal,
or has the incidence of snowfall lowered in a statistical way?
 
longview said:
It snows in Houston, Texas roughly every 7 years, My kids both saw two snowfalls before they turned 18.
That average is over a century old.
Houston knows how to prepare for Hurricanes, snowstorms, not so much.
If your area has seen little snow, the question would become is that normal,
or has the incidence of snowfall lowered in a statistical way?
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Why talk about snowfall in Houston, when we can talk about my state - Colorado. The ski resorts are suffering this year. Temperatures in the '50s and '60s, and very little snow at almost all resorts. By Thanksgiving, resorts usually have 2-3 feet of snowpack. This year - very few lifts are even open. Of the snow at many of them, a lot of it is manmade.

https://www.onthesnow.com/colorado/skireport.html

This is part of the reason why Colorado is turning away from Republican policies. Our state is noticing the effects:

Rising temperatures will cut river flows and increase demand from thirsty plants and towns, a new state report concludes, projecting that average temperatures across Colorado will climb by at least 2.5 degrees Fahrenheit in the next 35 years, and by much more than that if there are no cuts in greenhouse gas emissions.

Climate paradox: More snow, less water? | The Colorado Independent
 
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Media_Truth said:
Why talk about snowfall in Houston, when we can talk about my state - Colorado. The ski resorts are suffering this year. Temperatures in the '50s and '60s, and very little snow at almost all resorts. By Thanksgiving, resorts usually have 2-3 feet of snowpack. This year - very few lifts are even open. Of the snow at many of them, a lot of it is manmade.

https://www.onthesnow.com/colorado/skireport.html

This is part of the reason why Colorado is turning away from Republican policies. Our state is noticing the effects:

Rising temperatures will cut river flows and increase demand from thirsty plants and towns, a new state report concludes, projecting that average temperatures across Colorado will climb by at least 2.5 degrees Fahrenheit in the next 35 years, and by much more than that if there are no cuts in greenhouse gas emissions.

Climate paradox: More snow, less water? | The Colorado Independent
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How many square miles of land near the resorts are now covered by asphalt, concrete, and buildings?

Loss of evapotranspiration nearby can cause more warming than CO2.
 
Media_Truth said:
Why talk about snowfall in Houston, when we can talk about my state - Colorado. The ski resorts are suffering this year. Temperatures in the '50s and '60s, and very little snow at almost all resorts. By Thanksgiving, resorts usually have 2-3 feet of snowpack. This year - very few lifts are even open. Of the snow at many of them, a lot of it is manmade.

https://www.onthesnow.com/colorado/skireport.html

This is part of the reason why Colorado is turning away from Republican policies. Our state is noticing the effects:

Rising temperatures will cut river flows and increase demand from thirsty plants and towns, a new state report concludes, projecting that average temperatures across Colorado will climb by at least 2.5 degrees Fahrenheit in the next 35 years, and by much more than that if there are no cuts in greenhouse gas emissions.

Climate paradox: More snow, less water? | The Colorado Independent
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We both know that ski resorts in Colorado have both good and bad years, it cycles.
As to the temperature, Colorado's have been very stable for over a century (at least according to NOAA)
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-...prd=true&firstbaseyear=1901&lastbaseyear=2000
 
longview said:
We both know that ski resorts in Colorado have both good and bad years, it cycles.
As to the temperature, Colorado's have been very stable for over a century (at least according to NOAA)
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-...prd=true&firstbaseyear=1901&lastbaseyear=2000
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LOL! Your cherry-picking of data doesn't even support your argument, as the general trend of the Tmax's that you linked are higher in recent years. Try posting the Tmins for the same time period. Very telling.

A dispute of this scientific study by an amateur with a computer - wonderful!
 
Lord of Planar said:
How many square miles of land near the resorts are now covered by asphalt, concrete, and buildings?

Loss of evapotranspiration nearby can cause more warming than CO2.
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Funny, gravel roads and ash roads and parking lots would do the same thing in the 1930s, '40s, '50s, and '60s.
 
Media_Truth said:
Funny, gravel roads and ash roads and parking lots would do the same thing in the 1930s, '40s, '50s, and '60s.
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Much less percentage of land use change, and gravel would still allow water to penetrate and evaporation, rather than it being diverted to storm sewers.
 

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