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    Re: Indirect Effects of the Sun on Earth's Climate[W:376]

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    Mojib Latif: three statements, three times totally off the mark

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    At the end of the year, it’s usual to take a look back. That’s what we wish to do at this blog.
    Leading German climate scientist Mojib Latif made three historical statements in 2012 that are worth remembering. How much truth was there in his statements of that time?
    STATEMENT 1:
    Mojib Latif on December 4, 2012 in the talkshow “Pelzig hält sich”:
    I want to say one thing again. I would be glad if it were the sun. Then we really could do nothing. Yes. But it is not that. If you look at the sun’s radiation, the sun has been weaker for 50 years. And how is a weakening sun supposed to cause massive warming?”
    False. The sun has actually become stronger in the last 50 years when one considers the total solar irradiance (TSI – white curve in the diagram), which also includes cosmic rays and the solar magnetic field.

    Figure: Development of solar activity over the past 400 years. White curve shows total solar irradiance (TSI), yellow peaks mark sunspots. Source: PAGES2K website, downloaded in 2016.
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    Re: Indirect Effects of the Sun on Earth's Climate[W:376]

    This article seems to have been written by someone without a clue. For example:

    "The sun has actually become stronger in the last 50 years when one considers the total solar irradiance (TSI – white curve in the diagram), which also includes cosmic rays and the solar magnetic field."

    TSI most certainly does not include cosmic rays and the solar magnetic field. It is simply the total amount of solar energy per square metre arriving at the Earth per unit time.

    Why do you read, let alone post, this drivel, Jack?

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    Re: Indirect Effects of the Sun on Earth's Climate[W:376]

    From the link in #600:

    STATEMENT 2:
    Mojib Latif on December 4, 2012, in the talkshow “Pelzig hält sich“:
    Yes, you can quantify everything. That is, of course, a plain lie if it is claimed that we do not take the sun into account. There is no climate model that does not take the sun into account. I do not think we are fools. This somehow gives the impression that we are the biggest idiots of all time. It’s not like that.”
    False, Mr. Latif. A look at the radiation drive in the 5th IPCC Climate Report is enough to see that the sun plays almost no role in the models. CO2: 1.68 W/m2, sun: 0.05 W/m2. The sun is made practically as a non-factor in this.

    Figure: Radiation as a driver among the individual climate factors according to the 5th IPCC report. The sun plays practically no role in the IPCC.
    ———–

    STATEMENT 3:
    Mojib Latif in an interview with the Neuen Osnabrücker Zeitung (NOZ) on September 12, 2012:
    NOZ: Mr. Latif, does the sun more likely to contribute to global warming or the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide, CO2?
    LATIF: It’s a mix of both. It is clear that man has been responsible for more than half of the rise in temperature since the beginning of industrialization.”
    Just before that in the Austrian daily Austrian daily ‘Die Presse‘ (DP) on February 9, 2012, he said the following:
    DIE PRESSE: Back to the previous warming, 0.8 degrees for 100 years. For [Fritz] Vahrenholt, half comes from the sun. And at the IPCC everything comes from CO2?
    LATIF: No, the IPCC never said that. It is very careful and says that about half of the warming is anthropogenic.
    DIE PRESSE: Then it says the same as Vahrenholt?
    LATIF: Yes, that’s what drives me crazy: An exaggerated threat is built up and then torn up with great relish.”
    Again Latif is wrong. Here it’s enough to just look at the Special report of the IPCC concerning the 1.5°C target:
    Reflecting the long-term warming trend since pre-industrial times, the observed mean global surface temperature in the decade 2006-2015 was 0.87 °C (probably between 0.75 °C and 0.99 °C) higher than the average for the period 1850-1900 (very high confidence).
    Estimated anthropogenic global warming is consistent with the extent of observed warming within ±20% (likely range).”
    In other words: According to the IPCC, the total warming observed over the last 150 years is anthropogenic.
    ———–
    Three Latif statements, three times over the line.
    Is Latif’s criticism of the Die kalte Sonne book still valid under these circumstances? We would like to talk to Mojib Latif about it personally. After his earlier refusal, is he now perhaps ready for discussion? We hope for good climatic developments in 2019.
    We wish all Die kalte Sonne blog readers – and of course Mr. Latif – a Happy New Year!



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    Re: Indirect Effects of the Sun on Earth's Climate[W:376]

    Quote Originally Posted by Surface Detail View Post
    This article seems to have been written by someone without a clue. For example:

    "The sun has actually become stronger in the last 50 years when one considers the total solar irradiance (TSI – white curve in the diagram), which also includes cosmic rays and the solar magnetic field."

    TSI most certainly does not include cosmic rays and the solar magnetic field. It is simply the total amount of solar energy per square metre arriving at the Earth per unit time.

    Why do you read, let alone post, this drivel, Jack?
    Beside the point. Try to focus.
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    Re: Indirect Effects of the Sun on Earth's Climate[W:376]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Beside the point. Try to focus.
    The sentence I quoted is quite obviously incorrect. Why would I want to focus on an article that contains such howlers?

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    Re: Indirect Effects of the Sun on Earth's Climate[W:376]

    Quote Originally Posted by Surface Detail View Post
    The sentence I quoted is quite obviously incorrect. Why would I want to focus on an article that contains such howlers?
    The original is in German. This is a simple translation error.
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    Re: Indirect Effects of the Sun on Earth's Climate[W:376]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Solar Minimum is Coming | Science Mission Directorate

    https://science.nasa.gov/science-new...imum-is-coming





    Jun 27, 2017 - Solar Minimum is Coming. High up in the clear blue noontime sky, the sun appears to be much the same day-in, day-out, year after year.
    Greetings, Jack.

    I just read the interesting series of articles #591 through #593; and #596 and #597 that you have posted. My personal record-keeping journal on what's been going on in my own garden for the past 25 years, while not as scientific as the climate experts are describing, has been suggesting the same outcome. As an example, there are certain vegetables like sweet corn, and a few other groups, that I had to stop growing several years ago because they just didn't have time to ripen! Gardening is too much hard work to get nothing in return except disappointing results! :

    Off topic, but I was recently released from the hospital after being treated for pneumonia - it's very scary when you struggle to breathe cause your lungs aren't working right! Unfortunately that means no tobogganing, skiing, or other wintertime fun for me this year, and I sure enjoyed that!

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    Re: Indirect Effects of the Sun on Earth's Climate[W:376]

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Jack.

    I just read the interesting series of articles #591 through #593; and #596 and #597 that you have posted. My personal record-keeping journal on what's been going on in my own garden for the past 25 years, while not as scientific as the climate experts are describing, has been suggesting the same outcome. As an example, there are certain vegetables like sweet corn, and a few other groups, that I had to stop growing several years ago because they just didn't have time to ripen! Gardening is too much hard work to get nothing in return except disappointing results! :

    Off topic, but I was recently released from the hospital after being treated for pneumonia - it's very scary when you struggle to breathe cause your lungs aren't working right! Unfortunately that means no tobogganing, skiing, or other wintertime fun for me this year, and I sure enjoyed that!
    Greetings, Polgara.

    Sorry about your health scare, but very glad you are back on track. Take it easy this winter.
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    Re: Indirect Effects of the Sun on Earth's Climate[W:376]

    Quote Originally Posted by Surface Detail View Post
    This article seems to have been written by someone without a clue. For example:

    "The sun has actually become stronger in the last 50 years when one considers the total solar irradiance (TSI – white curve in the diagram), which also includes cosmic rays and the solar magnetic field."

    TSI most certainly does not include cosmic rays and the solar magnetic field. It is simply the total amount of solar energy per square metre arriving at the Earth per unit time.

    Why do you read, let alone post, this drivel, Jack?
    I doubt he reads any of his copied and pasted blog drivel other than the titles.
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    Re: Indirect Effects of the Sun on Earth's Climate[W:376]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The original is in German. This is a simple translation error.
    Nope it was NOT a "simple translation error". It's just wrong.

    Here it is in the original German:

    "Falsch. Die Sonne ist in den letzten 50 Jahren in Wahrheit stärker geworden, wenn man die Total Solar Irradiance (TSI) (weiße Kurve im Diagramm) berücksichtigt, die auch die kosmische Strahlung bzw. das Sonnenmagnetfeld mit einbezieht."
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