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St. Louis, Long a Coal Capital, Votes to Get All of Its Power From Clean Sources

Media_Truth said:
I would argue that road taxes don't cover the cost of initially building the roads either, which is much more substantial than the rail construction.
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LOL... Do you ever know what you are talking about?

That is an absolute joke. Rail costs several millions of dollars per mile. Roads are expensive too, but not nearly as expensive.


The cost of light rail construction varies widely, largely depending on the amount of tunneling and elevated structures required. A survey of North American light rail projects shows that costs of most LRT systems range from $15 million to over $100 million per mile. Seattle's new light rail system is by far the most expensive in the US, at $179 million per mile, since it includes extensive tunneling in poor soil conditions, elevated sections, and stations as deep as 180 feet (55 m) below ground level.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_rail


According to the New York State Thruway Authority, some sample per-mile costs to construct multi-lane roads in several US northeastern states were:

Connecticut Turnpike – $3,449,000 per mile
New Jersey Turnpike – $2,200,000 per mile
Pennsylvania Turnpike (Delaware Extension) – $1,970,000 per mile
Northern Indiana Toll Road – $1,790,000 per mile
Garden State Parkway – $1,720,000 per mile
Massachusetts Turnpike – $1,600,000 per mile
Thruway, New York to Pennsylvania Line – $1,547,000 per mile
Ohio Turnpike – $1,352,000 per mile
Pennsylvania Turnpike (early construction) – $736,000 per mile
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road

You really are an arrogant piece. Claiming to know so many things, but are so often wrong. Now, even more people have seen you have no integrity of fact.
 
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Media_Truth said:
I agree, he missed some taxes. The gentleman didn't claim to be an expert. I think the point here is that Light Rail is certainly not as costly as you make it out to be, versus other modes of transportation. The comparison to buses was hands-down to Light Rail.

The other point that I mentioned earlier, that you glossed over completely is that a city Rail Option reduces traffic and congestion on highways and roads. This improves the quality of life for everybody. Light rail riders get to enjoy a book, as they ride; and drivers get to their destination more quickly. Less traffic, fewer hours that engines run, less emissions. Expensive highway expansions are avoided. A WIN-WIN.
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You have no idea how indoctrinated you are, do you?
 
Nickyjo said:
So obviously the people who live there and their actions are irrelevant. Cities prosper and decline and prosper again. What’s your point? The rules will still apply when more important people live there again.
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At this point decisions in St. Louis proper are not very important for the metro area as a whole.
 
Jack Hays said:
At this point decisions in St. Louis proper are not very important for the metro area as a whole.
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And they may mean nothing to me who lives thousands of miles away. So I guess they should’t have bothered.
 
Nickyjo said:
And they may mean nothing to me who lives thousands of miles away. So I guess they should’t have bothered.
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The point is their action will have no effect on selection of power sources in their area.
 
Nickyjo said:
And they may mean nothing to me who lives thousands of miles away. So I guess they should’t have bothered.
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[h=1]Renewable energy – by royal decree – meanwhile, the poor suffer[/h]The St. Louis city council has unanimously passed a resolution decreeing that by 2035 the city will somehow, almost magically be powered by 100% “clean, renewable” electricity. Or at least by paper certificate, as St. Louis city council raises electricity costs for poor families Guest essay by Paul Driessen In 2016, Missouri generated 96.5% of its…
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Jack Hays said:

[h=1]Renewable energy – by royal decree – meanwhile, the poor suffer[/h]The St. Louis city council has unanimously passed a resolution decreeing that by 2035 the city will somehow, almost magically be powered by 100% “clean, renewable” electricity. Or at least by paper certificate, as St. Louis city council raises electricity costs for poor families Guest essay by Paul Driessen In 2016, Missouri generated 96.5% of its…
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The paper certificate is easy, unless enough other nearby large cities do the same thing.
 
Jack Hays said:
The surrounding jurisdictions are unlikely to follow suit.
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I wonder if the typical person in this forum realized what supply and demand will do then?
 
Lord of Planar said:
LOL... Do you ever know what you are talking about?

That is an absolute joke. Rail costs several millions of dollars per mile. Roads are expensive too, but not nearly as expensive.


The cost of light rail construction varies widely, largely depending on the amount of tunneling and elevated structures required. A survey of North American light rail projects shows that costs of most LRT systems range from $15 million to over $100 million per mile. Seattle's new light rail system is by far the most expensive in the US, at $179 million per mile, since it includes extensive tunneling in poor soil conditions, elevated sections, and stations as deep as 180 feet (55 m) below ground level.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_rail


According to the New York State Thruway Authority, some sample per-mile costs to construct multi-lane roads in several US northeastern states were:

Connecticut Turnpike – $3,449,000 per mile
New Jersey Turnpike – $2,200,000 per mile
Pennsylvania Turnpike (Delaware Extension) – $1,970,000 per mile
Northern Indiana Toll Road – $1,790,000 per mile
Garden State Parkway – $1,720,000 per mile
Massachusetts Turnpike – $1,600,000 per mile
Thruway, New York to Pennsylvania Line – $1,547,000 per mile
Ohio Turnpike – $1,352,000 per mile
Pennsylvania Turnpike (early construction) – $736,000 per mile
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road

You really are an arrogant piece. Claiming to know so many things, but are so often wrong. Now, even more people have seen you have no integrity of fact.
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Yes, and that rail will need little to no maintenance for years and years. The turnpikes and highways will be paved, repaved, and repaved again, over and over. Your prices are probably suspect as well, as they probably don't encompass on-ramps, off-ramps and all the supporting steel structure. That's where the big money is with highways. KaChing, KaChing....
 
Media_Truth said:
Yes, and that rail will need little to no maintenance for years and years. The turnpikes and highways will be paved, repaved, and repaved again, over and over. Your prices are probably suspect as well, as they probably don't encompass on-ramps, off-ramps and all the supporting steel structure. That's where the big money is with highways. KaChing, KaChing....
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Sorry, but that's another uninformed comment. The Washington area's Metro system is in a downward spiral precisely because of inadequate funding for maintenance over the years. Cost of catch-up now is in the billions of $.
 
Media_Truth said:
Yes, and that rail will need little to no maintenance for years and years. The turnpikes and highways will be paved, repaved, and repaved again, over and over. Your prices are probably suspect as well, as they probably don't encompass on-ramps, off-ramps and all the supporting steel structure. That's where the big money is with highways. KaChing, KaChing....
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Rail needs plenty of maintenance that is also more costly.
 
Jack Hays said:
Sorry, but that's another uninformed comment. The Washington area's Metro system is in a downward spiral precisely because of inadequate funding for maintenance over the years. Cost of catch-up now is in the billions of $.
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The indoctrinated are taught not to learn the truth. Only the gospel they are given.
 
Lord of Planar said:
The indoctrinated are taught not to learn the truth. Only the gospel they are given.
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Well, I'll be a monkey's Uncle. Look at this study:

https://alankandel.scienceblog.com/...ssions-savings-difference-like-night-and-day/

So, weighing all factors, dollar for dollar, railways go so much farther in terms of handling capacity than do highways, all things being equal.

But the real beauty of this whole conversation is that with the railway versus the highway, the difference in regard to energy/emissions-savings is like night and day. Historically, in this regard, railways have come out on top.
 
Media_Truth said:
Well, I'll be a monkey's Uncle. Look at this study:

https://alankandel.scienceblog.com/...ssions-savings-difference-like-night-and-day/

So, weighing all factors, dollar for dollar, railways go so much farther in terms of handling capacity than do highways, all things being equal.

But the real beauty of this whole conversation is that with the railway versus the highway, the difference in regard to energy/emissions-savings is like night and day. Historically, in this regard, railways have come out on top.
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LOL...

At what utilization of handling capacity is realistically seen?

You need to stop grasping at straws and admit defeat.

Do yo expect everyone to switch to public transportation?

I have seen serious discussions of this topic over the years with all the construction TriMet has been doing.
 
Jack Hays said:

[h=1]The Resurgence of the American Coal Industry: “Is coal the new gold?”[/h]Guest post by David Middleton Is coal the new gold? A Pennsylvania senate candidate thinks so By John Moody | Fox News “There’s coal in them thar hills.” If that sounds like a confused reference to the 1849 California gold rush, think again. Long-ignored coal deposits in eastern Pennsylvania have become a key part of…
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Interesting.

Remove the high value elements from coal, cleaning the coal in the process.
 

[h=1]Clean Coal: Carbon Capture and Enhanced Oil Recovery, Part Deux[/h]Guest post by David Middleton Not quite a year ago (April 18, 2017) I authored a post on the completion of the Petra Nova carbon capture project at the W. A. Parrish coal-fired power plant in Fort Bend County, Texas. Petra Nova was billed as “the largest post-combustion carbon capture project in the world.” In addition…
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Jack Hays said:

[h=1]The Resurgence of the American Coal Industry: “Is coal the new gold?”[/h]Guest post by David Middleton Is coal the new gold? A Pennsylvania senate candidate thinks so By John Moody | Fox News “There’s coal in them thar hills.” If that sounds like a confused reference to the 1849 California gold rush, think again. Long-ignored coal deposits in eastern Pennsylvania have become a key part of…
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That reminds me of one of Paul Harvey's rest of the story, stories.
In the 16 th century the Spanish had a silver mine in South America, that they shut down because
the silver was contaminated with another metal, that they could not remove.
All that platinum was keeping their silver from being pure!
 
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