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US Oil Slowdown

Media_Truth said:
Oil is a very critical commodity, and not just to power our vehicles. Intricate plastics are used in medical procedures and other high tech scientific applications. It's foolish to be burning up all of our oil resources at such an unprecedented rate, and denying our future generations. If for no other reason, for this reason alone, everybody should be on-board with the pursuit of alternatives.
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I think almost everyone is on board for the pursuit of alternatives.
The question becomes are you open to all of the alternatives, and what problem are you trying to solve
with the alternatives?
 
Media_Truth said:
Oil is a very critical commodity, and not just to power our vehicles. Intricate plastics are used in medical procedures and other high tech scientific applications. It's foolish to be burning up all of our oil resources at such an unprecedented rate, and denying our future generations. If for no other reason, for this reason alone, everybody should be on-board with the pursuit of alternatives.
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Good point. It's a lot like using good building lumber as fire wood.
 
longview said:
I think almost everyone is on board for the pursuit of alternatives.
The question becomes are you open to all of the alternatives, and what problem are you trying to solve
with the alternatives?
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pollution, Saudi influence and future growth
 
katzgar said:
pollution, Saudi influence and future growth
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What type of pollution? I think we have identified and eliminated the major causes of pollution.
Our real problem is energy, we do not have enough of it.
Even if we were able to fully exploit all of the organically store hydrocarbons, we could not
increase the current global population to first world standards.
For the near future, I see man made hydrocarbons as the solution.
We will have too much surplus electricity from solar for many periods, and
the refineries can store the surplus as carbon neutral fuels, for use in transport.
The system would be a sustainable path forward, and would be scale able to include our entire population.
I see this as a step to whatever the longer term solution will be, but a viable step.
 
longview said:
What type of pollution? I think we have identified and eliminated the major causes of pollution.
Our real problem is energy, we do not have enough of it.
Even if we were able to fully exploit all of the organically store hydrocarbons, we could not
increase the current global population to first world standards.
For the near future, I see man made hydrocarbons as the solution.
We will have too much surplus electricity from solar for many periods, and
the refineries can store the surplus as carbon neutral fuels, for use in transport.
The system would be a sustainable path forward, and would be scale able to include our entire population.
I see this as a step to whatever the longer term solution will be, but a viable step.
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Roughly 60% of oil production goes toward moving vehicles and that of course is in the process of switching to Electric. About 150,000 people die from pollution in the United States every year. Look up cancer alley in Louisiana. It will take many decades for hydrocarbons to go away but the heart of the Supply will be alternatives.
 
katzgar said:
Roughly 60% of oil production goes toward moving vehicles and that of course is in the process of switching to Electric. About 150,000 people die from pollution in the United States every year. Look up cancer alley in Louisiana. It will take many decades for hydrocarbons to go away but the heart of the Supply will be alternatives.
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What I am saying is the alternative will likely be hydrocarbon fuels, just not ones that come from oil.
The refineries can store surplus electricity as carbon neutral fuels to be sold in the existing distribution infrastructure.
In this way we could eliminate using oil for fuel within months not years.
This middle step would cut CO2 emissions (making those who are concerned happy), while allowing the
transition to alternate energy for transport to occur decades quicker.
Batteries may improve, we may improve the way we store hydrogen for fuel cells, but placing
almost 100 percent of transport on carbon neutral fuels could happen quickly and be almost transparent to the end users.
The Navy's results show the man made fuels to be higher octane than the oil made variety.
 
longview said:
What I am saying is the alternative will likely be hydrocarbon fuels, just not ones that come from oil.
The refineries can store surplus electricity as carbon neutral fuels to be sold in the existing distribution infrastructure.
In this way we could eliminate using oil for fuel within months not years.
This middle step would cut CO2 emissions (making those who are concerned happy), while allowing the
transition to alternate energy for transport to occur decades quicker.
Batteries may improve, we may improve the way we store hydrogen for fuel cells, but placing
almost 100 percent of transport on carbon neutral fuels could happen quickly and be almost transparent to the end users.
The Navy's results show the man made fuels to be higher octane than the oil made variety.
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This is still pipe-dream unproven technology. Electric cars are proven technology. I just talked to a Hyundai rep. They are offering a lifetime warranty, with 100% replacement, on their battery for their hybrid offerings. This could be revolutionary in the move towards electric cars and hybrid cars.
 
Media_Truth said:
This is still pipe-dream unproven technology. Electric cars are proven technology. I just talked to a Hyundai rep. They are offering a lifetime warranty, with 100% replacement, on their battery for their hybrid offerings. This could be revolutionary in the move towards electric cars and hybrid cars.
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Actually, it’s not technology... it’s his fantasy.

Creating hydrocarbons from CO2 is inherently energy intensive and will only be useful when energy is incredibly cheap and plentiful.

And if energy is cheap and plentiful...we probably don’t need to convert it to hydrocarbons for most purposes.
 
Media_Truth said:
This is still pipe-dream unproven technology. Electric cars are proven technology. I just talked to a Hyundai rep. They are offering a lifetime warranty, with 100% replacement, on their battery for their hybrid offerings. This could be revolutionary in the move towards electric cars and hybrid cars.
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If it is unproven, how are the different research groups achieving actually producing fuel?
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/08/170808182423.htm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8zOHZINyG8
Don Larson's talk on the subject is quite good.
Fyi, a hybrid electric car still carries it's energy around in a hydrocarbon container.
 

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