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Tesla 3 Sep Target 1500, produced 260

According to the Mercury News, some of the employees fired this week believe they were targeted for their pro-union views.

This will explode a few heads on here if it turns out to be true.
 
According to the Mercury News, some of the employees fired this week believe they were targeted for their pro-union views.

This will explode a few heads on here if it turns out to be true.

That was not my point, the point was that Musk is big on the dream and historically poor on production, and this is more of that.
 
That was not my point, the point was that Musk is big on the dream and historically poor on production, and this is more of that.

Your point has been widely known for some time.

Musk is called the "master of deception" by many groups out there.
 
Your point has been widely known for some time.

Musk is called the "master of deception" by many groups out there.

Ya but U See goal 1500 produced 260 really really sucks at this stage of the game, sufficient funds to continue the game look iffy.

I heard about 60 days ago that cash flow was cratering.
 
According to the Mercury News, some of the employees fired this week believe they were targeted for their pro-union views.

This will explode a few heads on here if it turns out to be true.

But would that be too far fetched a concept?
I have seen entire companies pack up shop, and head to India just because a few workers discussed unionizing.

Tesla's response seems extremely tame compared to that, and its still just as much a possibility.

Guess we will have to wait and see if some concrete information comes our way.
 
But would that be too far fetched a concept?
I have seen entire companies pack up shop, and head to India just because a few workers discussed unionizing.

Tesla's response seems extremely tame compared to that, and its still just as much a possibility.

Guess we will have to wait and see if some concrete information comes our way.

We know that the company is under performing, goal 1500 result 260.
 
We know that the company is under performing, goal 1500 result 260.

From what I have seen, underperforming is a bit more generous a term then I think they are worth at this point.
 
That was not my point, the point was that Musk is big on the dream and historically poor on production, and this is more of that.

Indeed, Elon Musk is great at getting the taxpayer to become his willing partner. It will be interesting to see whether the scam can continue after about a decade of such grand promises have yet to turn a profit but make many rich folks far richer.

The public money for Tesla and SolarCity factories is crucial to both companies' efforts to lower development and manufacturing costs.

The task is made more urgent by the impending expiration of some of their biggest subsidies. The federal government's 30% tax credit for solar installations gets slashed to 10% in 2017 for commercial customers and ends completely for homeowners.

Tesla buyers also get a $7,500 federal income tax credit and a $2,500 rebate from the state of California. The federal government has capped the $7,500 credit at a total of 200,000 vehicles per manufacturer; Tesla is about a quarter of the way to that limit. In all, Tesla buyers have qualified for an estimated $284 million in federal tax incentives and collected more than $38 million in California rebates.

California legislators recently passed a law, which has not yet taken effect, calling for income limits on electric car buyers seeking the state's $2,500 subsidy. Tesla owners have an average household income of about $320,000, according to Strategic Visions, an auto industry research firm.

Competition could also eat into Tesla's public support. If major automakers build more zero-emission cars, they won't have to buy as many government-awarded environmental credits from Tesla.

In the big picture, the government supports electric cars and solar panels in the hope of promoting widespread adoption and, ultimately, slashing carbon emissions. In the early days at Tesla — when the company first produced an expensive electric sports car, which it no longer sells — Musk promised more rapid development of electric cars for the masses.

In a 2008 blog post, Musk laid out a plan: After the sports car, Tesla would produce a sedan costing "half the $89k price point of the Tesla Roadster and the third model will be even more affordable."

In fact, the second model now typically sells for $100,000, and the much-delayed third model, the Model X sport utility, is expected to sell for a similar price. Timing on a less expensive model — maybe $35,000 or $40,000, after subsidies — remains uncertain.

LA Times
 
According to the Mercury News, some of the employees fired this week believe they were targeted for their pro-union views.

This will explode a few heads on here if it turns out to be true.

Yep. If those leaving complain bitterly they were fired because of closeness to the unions, it would be just the kind of fact that makes heads expĺode. The only component missing is Ogre Trump.
 
Elon Musk is a brilliant innovator, with lots of idea, some of them are good ideas, and some are good ideas and practical ideas.
In real R&D, you get a lot of failures for each success.
I think cars using electric motors to power the wheels is the future.
pound for pound electric motors can beat heat engines in almost every way.
The question is, how to store the energy? I think batteries are not ready to be the answer.
Fuel cells look a lot more promising.
 
That was not my point, the point was that Musk is big on the dream and historically poor on production, and this is more of that.

One might complain about a few Dollars out of public funds. But the bulk of investments is certainly private sector and so would be the losses should the vision thing fail.

But the fear that this might be a disruptive technology and diesel automobiles be toast has gripped the imaginations in most automobile cities around the world and put people dreaming of the ultimate transportation machine.
 
That was not my point, the point was that Musk is big on the dream and historically poor on production, and this is more of that.

Does it matter?

When dreamers and doers come together, they makes things better for all. Sometimes it's hard to achieve the dreams.
 
Does it matter?

When dreamers and doers come together, they makes things better for all. Sometimes it's hard to achieve the dreams.

Yes Sir, being able to come up with the goods matters, as it always has.
 
Elon Musk is a brilliant innovator, with lots of idea, some of them are good ideas, and some are good ideas and practical ideas.
In real R&D, you get a lot of failures for each success.
I think cars using electric motors to power the wheels is the future.
pound for pound electric motors can beat heat engines in almost every way.
The question is, how to store the energy? I think batteries are not ready to be the answer.
Fuel cells look a lot more promising.

Actually the BIG QUESTION is when does he run out of money if he continues to fail at production.
 
Actually the BIG QUESTION is when does he run out of money if he continues to fail at production.
I think he may have enough successes to cover his failures, or can convince enough people
to keep buying stock to cover the losses.
 
I think he may have enough successes to cover his failures, or can convince enough people
to keep buying stock to cover the losses.

The hype is going to start working less well now that so many manufacturers with a record for being able to do production are getting into the business, and as the losses mount.
 
The hype is going to start working less well now that so many manufacturers with a record for being able to do production are getting into the business, and as the losses mount.
I agree, cars may not be his long term thing, but his batteries may have promise.
He has a lot of different irons in the fire, some will work, others may not be used.
 
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