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Frontline: War on the EPA

eohrnberger said:
Err. No. The EPA violated their own regulations attempting to fine the farmer.



The farmer was compliant with the necessary state and local permits, and yet the EPA decided to punish him for some imagined violation, even thought their own regulations stated "that stock ponds are exempt from the federal law".

It's like WTF is that? EPA?

This is the kinda **** that happens when you have ideological zealots running (attempting to run) a federal bureaucracy.

Government departments should never be weaponized against their own law abiding citizenry, yet it seems this is exactly what you support. :crazy3:
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Lots of crazy stuff like that happens. Someone sticks to the rules to a fault.

I was just watching another Frontline documentary. This one was about parole. Amazing what happens when a bureaucrat gets a little taste of power. In this case, a PITA PO violated a parolee for stopping by his mom's house after work instead of going straight to the halfway house. Another PO did pretty much the opposite. He found all sorts of ways to cut his charges a break.
 
calamity said:
Lots of crazy stuff like that happens. Someone sticks to the rules to a fault.

I was just watching another Frontline documentary. This one was about parole. Amazing what happens when a bureaucrat gets a little taste of power. In this case, a PITA PO violated a parolee for stopping by his mom's house after work instead of going straight to the halfway house. Another PO did pretty much the opposite. He found all sorts of ways to cut his charges a break.
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"Amazing what happens when a bureaucrat gets a little taste of power."

Agreed. And also the reason that the EPA needed to be cut back a bit. They were getting ridiculous.

Bureaucrat with power, or at least when they perceive they have some, are a very dangerous thing indeed. The only solution is to trim back that shrub severely on occasion, knowing all the while that it'll do little more than grow back and become unmanageable once again, and once again in need of trimming back. It's as cyclical as it's inevitable.
 
Climate News / Politics
[h=1]President Trump Nominates Kathleen White to Environmental Quality Chair[/h]Guest essay by Eric Worrall President Trump has nominated a climate skeptic who credits the rise of fossil fuels for the end of slavery to head the Council on Environmental Quality. Trump to nominate climate doubter as environmental adviser (Update) October 13, 2017 by Michael Biesecker President Donald Trump will nominate a climate change skeptic…
 
[h=1]The Obama EPA’s crooked prosecutors[/h]The agency’s carbon dioxide climate “endangerment finding” was a kangaroo court process Guest opinion by Paul Driessen Suppose a crooked prosecutor framed someone and was determined to get a conviction. So he built an entire case on tainted, circumstantial evidence, and testimony from witnesses who had their reasons for wanting the guy in jail. Suppose…
 
Jack Hays said:
Climate News / Politics
[h=1]President Trump Nominates Kathleen White to Environmental Quality Chair[/h]Guest essay by Eric Worrall President Trump has nominated a climate skeptic who credits the rise of fossil fuels for the end of slavery to head the Council on Environmental Quality. Trump to nominate climate doubter as environmental adviser (Update) October 13, 2017 by Michael Biesecker President Donald Trump will nominate a climate change skeptic…
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I would have liked Judith Curry better, but I think Kathleen Hartnett White will do ok.
 
Jack Hays said:
[h=1]EPA harnessed: Pruitt Issues Directive to End EPA “Sue & Settle” Practice[/h]From Dr. Roy Spencer, who says he received this via EPA’s email system. It isn’t on the EPA website yet, but I’m guessing their press office is running slow today due to the shock. However, it has been covered by the Washington Times who apparently got the same email. It was an “oral directive” since…
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Greetings, Jack. :2wave:

Excellent news, and it's about time something was done to rein in the EPA! Hopefully when the greenies realize that they are not going to get their legal fees reimbursed whether they win or lose a case, it should result in fewer nuisance cases being filed!

""GOOD JOB" kudos sent to Pruitt! :applaud
 
Jack Hays said:
[h=1]EPA harnessed: Pruitt Issues Directive to End EPA “Sue & Settle” Practice[/h]From Dr. Roy Spencer, who says he received this via EPA’s email system. It isn’t on the EPA website yet, but I’m guessing their press office is running slow today due to the shock. However, it has been covered by the Washington Times who apparently got the same email. It was an “oral directive” since…
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Hey, if you have nothing worth saying, just bombard the thread with posts.
 
Media_Truth said:
That's a good one. Do you think illegal dumping is going to occur in wealthy neighborhoods?
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OMG...

It's already illegal, so prosecute. What are you speaking of anyway? Why do we need laws on top of laws?
 
Just spent the last few days here in the Kickapoo Valley in Wisconsin's driftless area. The flood control project was killed by the EPA and the greens. Millions were wasted, families lost their land and the river still floods.

The dam was partially started, berms and concrete structures are still there as reminders of the folly.

It's a gorgeous tract of land now where farms with their barns and houses used to be, but it doesn't produce anything except flood waters every now and then.
 
Climate News
[h=1]60 scientists call for EPA endangerment finding to be reversed[/h]PRESS RELEASE October 17, 2017 Electricity Consumers Fully Support Scientists’ Letter to EPA Calling for Immediate Reopening of its GHG Endangerment Finding Key Points: This Letter from over 60 highly credentialed scientists states that: “We the undersigned are individuals who have technical skills and knowledge relevant to climate science and the GHG Endangerment Finding. We each…
 
Steve Case said:
Just spent the last few days here in the Kickapoo Valley in Wisconsin's driftless area. The flood control project was killed by the EPA and the greens. Millions were wasted, families lost their land and the river still floods.

The dam was partially started, berms and concrete structures are still there as reminders of the folly.

It's a gorgeous tract of land now where farms with their barns and houses used to be, but it doesn't produce anything except flood waters every now and then.
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I sometimes wonder if the name progressive is an oxymoron, because progress is not the outcome of their policies.
 
longview said:
I sometimes wonder if the name progressive is an oxymoron, because progress is not the outcome of their policies.
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So true.

Their enacted policies almost always do more harm than good.

But they are "feel good" policies at least!
 
EPA
[h=1]WINNING: EPA to reform its science advisory boards[/h]EPA Move To Increase Scientific Advisory Board Transparency Applauded BY MICHAEL SANDOVAL Western Wire Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Scott Pruitt announced Tuesday he planned to curtail the practice of distributing research grants to scientists appointed to the agency’s scientific advisory boards to improve their “independence and transparency and objectivity.” “If we have individuals who…
 
Jack Hays said:
EPA
[h=1]WINNING: EPA to reform its science advisory boards[/h]EPA Move To Increase Scientific Advisory Board Transparency Applauded BY MICHAEL SANDOVAL Western Wire Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Scott Pruitt announced Tuesday he planned to curtail the practice of distributing research grants to scientists appointed to the agency’s scientific advisory boards to improve their “independence and transparency and objectivity.” “If we have individuals who…
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Actually, that's just fine, because Pruitt has already demonstrated that he doesn't have a clue. He'll screw up the agency. They'll start making terrible decisions, like more subsidies for coal, and we'll have an environmental mess. Guess what voters will do then? Adios to the clueless!!!
 
Media_Truth said:
Actually, that's just fine, because Pruitt has already demonstrated that he doesn't have a clue. He'll screw up the agency. They'll start making terrible decisions, like more subsidies for coal, and we'll have an environmental mess. Guess what voters will do then? Adios to the clueless!!!
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We shall see.
 
Scott Pruitt Drains the Swamp at the EPA
McGroarty & Tuttle, The Hill

[FONT=&quot]EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt is a man who gets things done. Despite resistance from within his own agency and an environment lobby bent on stopping him, he’s doing his part to drain the swamp and return government to the people. He’s bringing what citizens demand of a federal agency: Transparency and reasoned, fact-based decision-making resting on sound statutory footing.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Take the contentious issue of global warming. Pruitt called for a reasoned debate. But his critics mocked the suggestion, claiming it would be an outrage to place “fringe” views on an even platform with “established, peer-reviewed research.” But it is tyrants and mobs — not reasonable policymakers intent on serving the public — who ridicule debate and discussion. It undercuts arbitrary rule and fear, their chief weapons. . . . [/FONT]
 
Jack Hays said:
Scott Pruitt Drains the Swamp at the EPA
McGroarty & Tuttle, The Hill

[FONT="]EPA Administrator [URL="http://thehill.com/people/edward-scott-pruitt"]Scott Pruitt[/URL] is a man who gets things done. Despite resistance from within his own agency and an environment lobby bent on stopping him, he’s doing his part to drain the swamp and return government to the people. He’s bringing what citizens demand of a federal agency: Transparency and reasoned, fact-based decision-making resting on sound statutory footing.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Take the contentious issue of global warming. Pruitt called for a [URL="https://www.axios.com/scott-pruitt-americans-deserve-a-climate-change-debate-on-tv-2457559509.html"]reasoned debate[/URL]. But his critics mocked the suggestion, claiming it would be an outrage to place “fringe” views on an even platform with “established, peer-reviewed research.” But it is tyrants and mobs — not reasonable policymakers intent on serving the public — who ridicule debate and discussion. It undercuts arbitrary rule and fear, their chief weapons. . . . [/FONT]
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their chief weapons are
fear, and surprise
fear, surprise and ruthless efficiency.

 
Lord of Planar said:
Their enacted policies almost always do more harm than good.
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In your opinion... And companies that want to save a buck by ripping apart regulations have spent ALOT of money to make sure people like you come to this conclusion.
 
Jetboogieman said:
In your opinion... And companies that want to save a buck by ripping apart regulations have spent ALOT of money to make sure people like you come to this conclusion.
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There is a large range between the stupid regulations, and no regulation. Why is it you guys are so ignorant as to thing disassembling stupid regulations that go to far, is a bad thing?

Do you think implementing a nationwide 55 MPH speed limit those years back was a good thing, or over zealous?

Are you glad or sad that we no longer have a 55MPH nationwide limit?
 
eohrnberger said:
A lot of ecomentalists spend a lot of money making sure you think that this isn't the case.

When the EPA regulations punitively punished a farmer for managing a pond which his property was the straw that broke the camel's back for me.

It was clear at that point that the EPA had become an instrument of bludgeoning of anyone that didn't agree with the seriously over zealous ecomentalists and their agenda. Protecting the environment was just an excuse, a vehicle to implement and enforce ideology and punish those that didn't agree.
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And he goes right to the requisite conspiracy theory....so predictable.
 
eohrnberger said:
Clearly, you really don't know the greater details of the issue.



A man made pond that goes nowhere but on the farmers property and the EPA wants to punish the farmer. Smacks of ideologically driven to me.

"trampling private property rights"

One of the function of government is to ensure the rights of its citizens, not trample on them. This is but one example of many where the EPA's zealotry overreached, as deemed by multiple court decisions.

The departments of government should not be weaponized against their own citizenry.
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Maybe you don't care about ground water contamination by a farmer, but you should. You just don't give a ****.
 
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