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Remember "Climategate"? It was fake.

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[FONT=&quot]"It is rare to encounter a scientific fact that stirs widespread debate and distrust quite like the matter of climate change.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Despite consensus among climate specialists about a theory that is supported by a mountain of facts from the physical, natural, and cultural sciences, the debate continues to be perpetrated by politicians, industrialists, academics, and armchair scientists.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]When governments reject science, the rest of us are put at risk. By refusing to accept the facts and potential ramifications of climate change, as a society, we stand to delay or overlook actions that are urgently needed to reduce our impact on the environment and adapt our cities and farmlands to a different future. ..."[/FONT]


https://theconversation.com/we-look...d-found-no-evidence-of-publication-bias-84500
 
I read something else about this the other day. Yet I guarantee it will still be used as a “QED, libtards” argument ender.
 
[FONT="]"It is rare to encounter a scientific fact that stirs widespread debate and distrust quite like the matter of climate change.[/FONT]...
https://theconversation.com/we-look...d-found-no-evidence-of-publication-bias-84500

I do remember climategate, but I don't recall most of the characterizations made by the OP (Climategate being a fake) or that are in the article. For those not chanting green slogans, it is very obvious that the article writer and his study, are mostly partisan press agentry for "their cause". It's hard to miss it; within the first few sentences the article proclaims human caused climate change as a "scientific fact" with "consensus among climate specialists...that is supported by a mountain of facts". It warns that "By refusing to accept the facts and potential ramifications of climate change" we are at dire risk, etc.

And like any shill for a cause, having established the good guy vs. bad guy melodrama, the article (as one of the good guys) goes on to assure us that there is this study that shows that those who doubt the flawless objectivity and good character of climate scientists are crazy - yes, all is well in the religion.

Now, I do believe that human caused warming is change in climates but it is not a religion for me. I don't have a dog in this fight, and by the time any really dramatic changes (for good or ill) occur I will be long dead. When the day comes that Alaska is dotted with palm trees and resorts, the US is Mexi-merica, and the main form of entertainment is Telemundo sports, with 24hr bee suited pro-wrestling...well, that is a day I will never see.

Still, it is most annoying to see folks wallowing in crude propaganda. So here are a few corrections:

1) Much of the intense scepticism about climate change science did not begin in 2009, its been around for at least 25 years.

2) It was not presented as a conspiracy "to alter facts" or to show that "the only published results are in support of the theory". The emails speak for themselves; they are a display of poor behavior, bad ethics, and self-righteous crusading fervor by a substantial but particular group of paleoclimate scientists (some of whom also contribute to future climate modeling). It is an exposure, in their own words, of intentional refusal to show which actual data they used, the strategies of denying critics access to journals, the strategy of boycotting journals, their own shared enemies list, their shabby data handling, rule breaking, and hobby of hurling contempt and insults on other scientists. They were quite open about it keeping peer reviewed "skeptics" from reports to policymakers, for example:

Mike, …..The other paper by MM [Mckittrick and Michels] is just garbage - as you knew. De Freitas again. Pielke is also losing all credibility as well by replying to the mad Finn as well - frequently as I see it. I can't see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep them out somehow - even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is ! Cheers Phil (Jones).

Mosher, Steve. Climategate: The CRUtape Letters (p. 171). nQuire Services Inc.. Kindle Edition.

3) Inquiries into the climategate scientists found nothing wrong because they didn't "inquire" about the actual wrong-doing pointed out by critics.

Last, offering the public an opaque numerological study on "biased selection of facts" is little more than gas-lighting; an attempt to show a magic stat number(s) that "proves" the reader of emails didn't see what he saw, that he crazy. Why "there is no bias in the selection of facts" because "we have this number". Mind you, there is no way to know what facts are ignored in any study UNLESS you know what facts are available. You can't find a flaw in the use of the wrong statistical test, or a withheld R2 verification score UNLESS you actually audit the study. Nor do many notice that researchers have caught on long ago how to inflate the meta literature to "independently confirm" results, such as using the same flawed proxies over and over, to "prove" the results are correct (e.g. Briffa)

Besides in these meta-analysis type studies, you can always cherry pick your own set of "120 studies" and can change weighting of each to obtain whatever results you want.

Look, there are some kinds of debates were participants don't want to know the truth, they have already made up their minds (and so have their team). Hence, you get propaganda, just like what you linked to.
 
If someone wants to say Climate-gate was fake, then the question is raised,
Why they did not deny that those were their emails?
 
[FONT="]"It is rare to encounter a scientific fact that stirs widespread debate and distrust quite like the matter of climate change.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#383838][FONT="]Despite consensus among climate specialists about a theory that is supported by a mountain of facts from the physical, natural, and cultural sciences, the debate continues to be perpetrated by politicians, industrialists, academics, and armchair scientists.[/FONT]

[FONT="]When governments reject science, the rest of us are put at risk. By refusing to accept the facts and potential ramifications of climate change, as a society, we stand to delay or overlook actions that are urgently needed to reduce our impact on the environment and adapt our cities and farmlands to a different future. ..."[/FONT]


https://theconversation.com/we-look...d-found-no-evidence-of-publication-bias-84500

What are the facts, the hard, irrefutable facts, that you are demanding be accepted.

It's interesting, isn't it, that the "Science" is put forward to form a consensus supported not by scientists, but rather by "specialists".
 
What are the facts, the hard, irrefutable facts, that you are demanding be accepted.

It's interesting, isn't it, that the "Science" is put forward to form a consensus supported not by scientists, but rather by "specialists".

Seems like the NAS would be a pretty solid source for what’s the consensus in science.
 
[FONT="]"It is rare to encounter a scientific fact that stirs widespread debate and distrust quite like the matter of climate change.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#383838][FONT="]Despite consensus among climate specialists about a theory that is supported by a mountain of facts from the physical, natural, and cultural sciences, the debate continues to be perpetrated by politicians, industrialists, academics, and armchair scientists.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]When governments reject science, the rest of us are put at risk. By refusing to accept the facts and potential ramifications of climate change, as a society, we stand to delay or overlook actions that are urgently needed to reduce our impact on the environment and adapt our cities and farmlands to a different future. ..."[/FONT]


https://theconversation.com/we-look...d-found-no-evidence-of-publication-bias-84500

The scientific community are always under scrutiny and must be very meticulous in their research and presenting their evidence of manmade global warming.

While the people that deny manmade global warming can just through mud and see what sticks. That there isn’t even a consensus among the deniers if natural global warming is happening right now and if it does what effect it has.

The deniers can cause damage even with fake scandals like “climagate”. That the emails were released right before the climate conference in Copenhagen so it causes a lot of damage with all the media reporting. While the fact it was a fake scandal was only later find out and got a lot less media coverage.

Wikipedia have a god summary of the scandal with a lot of links.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy
 
What are the facts, the hard, irrefutable facts, that you are demanding be accepted.

It's interesting, isn't it, that the "Science" is put forward to form a consensus supported not by scientists, but rather by "specialists".

I'm not demanding anything,
I'm putting an analysis before you which once again debunks the conspiracy theories from the denier cult.
The presentation is what it is, consensus is formed by myriad scientists studying their data and reaching similar conclusions. (With a few outliers.) The fact that scientists who are specialists in the field do so, merely serves to underline the strength of their conclusions.
 
The scientific community are always under scrutiny and must be very meticulous in their research and presenting their evidence of manmade global warming.
Have you ever read the source material the pundits cite, to see if they are accurately representing what the scientists say, or not?

I do regularly, and the pundits lie thought their teeth!

While the people that deny manmade global warming can just through mud and see what sticks. That there isn’t even a consensus among the deniers if natural global warming is happening right now and if it does what effect it has.
Who here is denying that we help warm the earth? Your attempt to make it as if we say we have no effect is wrong. It borders on lying. We just disagree with the amount of warming claimed by the pundits when it comes to CO2. As long as you keep up that ignorant strawman, you are flat out wring!

We agree we are helping to warm the earth!

The deniers can cause damage even with fake scandals like “climagate”. That the emails were released right before the climate conference in Copenhagen so it causes a lot of damage with all the media reporting. While the fact it was a fake scandal was only later find out and got a lot less media coverage.

Wikipedia have a god summary of the scandal with a lot of links.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy
Wikipedia is edited by the common people. Ever follow the sources cited? The non-working agenda driven freeloaders of society have far more time and interest to use it for their agenda, than hard working tax payers that have productive lives.
 
I'm not demanding anything,
I'm putting an analysis before you which once again debunks the conspiracy theories from the denier cult.
The presentation is what it is, consensus is formed by myriad scientists studying their data and reaching similar conclusions. (With a few outliers.) The fact that scientists who are specialists in the field do so, merely serves to underline the strength of their conclusions.

Please define "conspiracy theory" for us.
 
I'm not demanding anything,
I'm putting an analysis before you which once again debunks the conspiracy theories from the denier cult.
The presentation is what it is, consensus is formed by myriad scientists studying their data and reaching similar conclusions. (With a few outliers.) The fact that scientists who are specialists in the field do so, merely serves to underline the strength of their conclusions.

The problem is that the conclusions are not what you imply them to be.

The experts gathering and adjusting the data all believe that the temperature is not what the other experts say it is, is not changing at the rate defined by the other experts and was not what the other experts say it was.

There is not lock step agreement among the experts. In truth, there is not even lock step agreement within the various organizations, like NASA, that discarded the data it had previously adjusted to perfection in favor of data newly adjusted to a different perfection.

To say that there is agreement between the scientists is either the result of ignorance or of intentional attempts to swindle and mislead.

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... For those not chanting green slogans, it is very obvious that the article writer and his study, are mostly partisan press agentry for "their cause". It's hard to miss it; within the first few sentences the article proclaims human caused climate change as a "scientific fact" with "consensus among climate specialists...that is supported by a mountain of facts". It warns that "By refusing to accept the facts and potential ramifications of climate change" we are at dire risk, etc. ...

Yes, they are for 'their cause". But they did provide evidence


A series of inquiries found no evidence that these scientists were in the wrong, though the investigations did generally call for more transparency. Selective reporting is indeed a serious issue in the scientific community, especially when it comes to theory building as theories require consideration of all available facts. Is it possible that the theory of climate change is based on a biased selection of facts?

We decided to find out.

Except that's not the evidence I expected to see. Minus one for my side.

In our research, published in the journal Climatic Change, we analysed more than 1,100 published results from the field of climate change science and found no evidence of under-reporting or missing results – even results that were not statistically significant or showing no positive effects were reported.

That's more like it.
 
[h=3]Climategate Documents Confirm Wegman’s Hypothesis[/h]May 23, 2011 – 11:00 PM
Lost in the recent controversy over Said et al 2008 is that the Climategate documents provided conclusive evidence of the hypothesis originally advanced in the Wegman Report about paleoclimate peer review – that members of the Mann “clique” had been “reviewing other members of the same clique”. In today’s post, I’ll examine the origin of […]

By Steve McIntyre| Posted in Uncategorized | Tagged said et al 2008, usa today, wegman | Comments (217)

[h=3]CRU Refuses FOI Request for Yamal Climategate Chronology[/h]Apr 25, 2011 – 9:30 PM
Probably no single issue damages the reputation of the climate science community more than the refusal to show the data that supports their work, even under an FOI request. The public believes that scientists who purport to be concerned about the future of the planet should not place their own financial interests, including future grants, […]

By Steve McIntyre| Posted in Uncategorized | Tagged foi, foi-yamal, Yamal | Comments (164)
 
[h=3]Swedish Documentary on Climategate[/h]Nov 9, 2010 – 12:39 PM
Here is an interesting Swedish documentary on Climategate, with some of the first footage of Jones, who, as has been observed from time to time, looks quite frail from the experience. At least half is in English and you can follow it without Swedish. The image of the words “hide the decline” is a motif […]

By Steve McIntyre| Posted in Uncategorized | Comments (51)

[h=3]Climategate Inquiries[/h]Sep 14, 2010 – 9:24 AM
Andrew Montford’s review of the Climategate Inquiries is released today and is online here. Ross McKitrick’s is online here.

By Steve McIntyre| Posted in Uncategorized | Tagged muir russell, oxburgh, parliament | Comments (54)

 
[h=3]Climategate News and Links[/h]Jan 31, 2010 – 11:24 AM
It’s hard to keep up with the explosion of stories on Climategate, Pachauri and similar stories now that coverage has expanded outside the climate blogs. I’m going to insert links into comments, either with no commentary or less than a dozen words or so about the content – no editorializing or comment. Please feel free […]

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[h=3]Climategatekeeping: the Nature Intervention[/h]Jan 5, 2010 – 11:42 AM
Today I’ll review one interesting sentence in Climategate Letter 1080257056 on March 22, 2004, in which Jones tells Santer She [Heike] sent me an email to review a paper two weeks ago. Said I didn’t have time until May. Innocuous enough on the surface. What makes this sentence interesting (and I noticed it because I […]

By Steve McIntyre| Posted in climategate, Uncategorized | Tagged langenberg, Peer Review | Comments (197)

 
[h=3]Climategatekeeping: Michaels and McKitrick 2004[/h]Dec 17, 2009 – 2:41 PM
One of the Climategate texts that has attracted considerable commentary is: The other paper by MM is just garbage …I can’t see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin [Trenberth] and I will keep them out somehow – even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is ! The […]

By Steve McIntyre| Posted in climategate, Uncategorized | Tagged climategate, Peer Review | Comments (152)
 
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