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WaPo: Majority of Americans now say climate change makes hurricanes more intense

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Article:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...rricanes-more-intense/?utm_term=.cc78b245f96f

The article discusses a few dimensions of the issue. One is that scientists are increasingly convinced that we're seeing the effects of climate change on these types of storms. A typical example:

“[Hurricane] Harvey was not caused by climate change, yet its impacts — the storm surge and especially the extreme rainfall — very likely worsened due to human-caused global warming,” Stefan Rahmstorf of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research said in a statement after the hurricane.

In a follow-up email to The Washington Post last month, Rahmstorf said that the explanation is just basic physics: The atmosphere holds more water vapor when it is warmer, setting the stage for more rain.

Unsurprisingly, there's a bit of a partisan split here, with Democrats and Independents gradually agreeing with the claim, while Republicans haven't changed their minds. More young people are also accepting the impact of climate change than in the past. The result, though, is that the skeptics are now decidedly in the minority.

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Common Sense 1 said:
May 1 2015

No Major Hurricane Has Made Landfall In the U.S. In More Than 9 Years -- and That's a New Record

https://weather.com/storms/hurricane/news/major-hurricane-us-landfall-drought-study

So we had a run of close to 11 years with out a major hurricane!
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OK, and...?

You do understand there have been dozens of hurricanes during that time, yes? That only a small number usually hit US shores?

You do realize it's common for storms to get downgraded in intensity, sometimes to tropical storms, before landfall? And that even with that change in designation, the storm can cause widespread storm surges, floods and other issues (e.g. Sandy)?

And you do understand that despite the relative lack of hurricanes hitting the US, people's opinions are changing?
 
Note that the poll question (purposefully?) omitted human-caused climate change yet the accompanying article added that simply because they felt that it was a nifty (politically advantageous?) thing to do. This type of media bias is sickening. Most educated people likely accept that warmer air can hold more moisture than cooler air, that hurricanes form over warm water and that water/air temperature affects the size and wind speed (severity?) of hurricanes.
 
Visbek said:
OK, and...?

You do understand there have been dozens of hurricanes during that time, yes? That only a small number usually hit US shores?

You do realize it's common for storms to get downgraded in intensity, sometimes to tropical storms, before landfall? And that even with that change in designation, the storm can cause widespread storm surges, floods and other issues (e.g. Sandy)?

And you do understand that despite the relative lack of hurricanes hitting the US, people's opinions are changing?
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But are these "opinions" changing because folks are actually studying hurricanes or monitoring global climate data or simply that they are exposed to more climate change is the cause media articles about recent hurricanes?
 
Visbek said:
OK, and...?

You do understand there have been dozens of hurricanes during that time, yes? That only a small number usually hit US shores?

You do realize it's common for storms to get downgraded in intensity, sometimes to tropical storms, before landfall? And that even with that change in designation, the storm can cause widespread storm surges, floods and other issues (e.g. Sandy)?

And you do understand that despite the relative lack of hurricanes hitting the US, people's opinions are changing?
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Please read my post it is very clear and factual!



Originally Posted by Common Sense 1 View Post
May 1 2015

No Major Hurricane Has Made Landfall In the U.S. In More Than 9 Years -- and That's a New Record

https://weather.com/storms/hurricane...-drought-study

So we had a run of close to 11 years with out a major hurricane!
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Note that the poll question (purposefully?) omitted human-caused climate change yet the accompanying article added that simply because they felt that it was a nifty (politically advantageous?) thing to do. This type of media bias is sickening.
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I don't think the numbers would change much if they explicitly mentioned AGW. I.e. I seriously doubt there is a lot of bias here, as most of the people who accept that the climate is changing understand that it's due to human activity. Not all, but most. Gallup poll results from March 2017:

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ttwtt78640 said:
But are these "opinions" changing because folks are actually studying hurricanes or monitoring global climate data or simply that they are exposed to more climate change is the cause media articles about recent hurricanes?
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I can only guess that it's a result of the message slowly getting out and through to people.

E.g. the media has been generally quite consistent this summer that climate change increases the intensity and impact of hurricanes, rather than the frequency. Most articles also point out that much of the damage is not just due to CC (which increases storm surge, and is making more areas vulnerable to flooding), but due to dense development in areas people should already recognize as vulnerable (e.g. shorelines).
 
Visbek said:
Article:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...rricanes-more-intense/?utm_term=.cc78b245f96f

The article discusses a few dimensions of the issue. One is that scientists are increasingly convinced that we're seeing the effects of climate change on these types of storms. A typical example:

“[Hurricane] Harvey was not caused by climate change, yet its impacts — the storm surge and especially the extreme rainfall — very likely worsened due to human-caused global warming,” Stefan Rahmstorf of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research said in a statement after the hurricane.

In a follow-up email to The Washington Post last month, Rahmstorf said that the explanation is just basic physics: The atmosphere holds more water vapor when it is warmer, setting the stage for more rain.

Unsurprisingly, there's a bit of a partisan split here, with Democrats and Independents gradually agreeing with the claim, while Republicans haven't changed their minds. More young people are also accepting the impact of climate change than in the past. The result, though, is that the skeptics are now decidedly in the minority.

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This is roughly equivalent to asking 4 year olds their opinion on anal sex.






And then taking what they say seriously.






OK so maybe I am overstating things a tad, but you'll take my point I am sure.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
Please read my post it is very clear and factual!
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Uh... yes... it's factual, but it's a misleading use of the facts. And it's not very clear at all.

Major hurricanes aren't all that common in the first place.

The number of hurricanes is not necessarily changing because of CC/AGW.

People aren't changing their minds because of hurricanes hitting the continental US.

Again, just because major hurricanes haven't made landfall on the continental US doesn't mean that the number of major hurricanes is dropping.

Year# of Major Hurricanes
20093
20105
20114
20122
20130
20142
20152
20164
20175

It's also rather unclear what it is you're trying to prove. Just pointing out that hurricanes haven't hit the continental US in a long time doesn't actually disprove the claim that hurricanes are getting more intense because of CC, nor does it tell us anything about what people believe.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I know right.....66% of Americans dont understand compounding interest and yet we are going to take their hurricane expertise seriously....
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:roll:

1) No one is saying that the general public are all experts. Rather, it's that it is good to know that a growing majority of Americans heed the experts (who do know what they're talking about)

2) Good to see how much respect you have for your fellow Americans.
 
Visbek said:
Article:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...rricanes-more-intense/?utm_term=.cc78b245f96f

The article discusses a few dimensions of the issue. One is that scientists are increasingly convinced that we're seeing the effects of climate change on these types of storms. A typical example:

“[Hurricane] Harvey was not caused by climate change, yet its impacts — the storm surge and especially the extreme rainfall — very likely worsened due to human-caused global warming,” Stefan Rahmstorf of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research said in a statement after the hurricane.

In a follow-up email to The Washington Post last month, Rahmstorf said that the explanation is just basic physics: The atmosphere holds more water vapor when it is warmer, setting the stage for more rain.

Unsurprisingly, there's a bit of a partisan split here, with Democrats and Independents gradually agreeing with the claim, while Republicans haven't changed their minds. More young people are also accepting the impact of climate change than in the past. The result, though, is that the skeptics are now decidedly in the minority.

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**** the public, too many watch corporate state TV. What do the preponderance of scientists say? The ones not funded by corporate sponsors and dark money think tanks?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Note that the poll question (purposefully?) omitted human-caused climate change yet the accompanying article added that simply because they felt that it was a nifty (politically advantageous?) thing to do. This type of media bias is sickening. Most educated people likely accept that warmer air can hold more moisture than cooler air, that hurricanes form over warm water and that water/air temperature affects the size and wind speed (severity?) of hurricanes.
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Guess you should have gotten up off your ass when Clinton deregulated the FCC so concentrated corporate wealth and power could buy the entire US media machine,
 
ttwtt78640 said:
But are these "opinions" changing because folks are actually studying hurricanes or monitoring global climate data or simply that they are exposed to more climate change is the cause media articles about recent hurricanes?
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Revisit the Powell Memorandum. Unfortunately for the pwoer structure, they have not been able to plug all the information cracks. Yet.
 
Visbek said:
:roll:

1) No one is saying that the general public are all experts. Rather, it's that it is good to know that a growing majority of Americans heed the experts (who do know what they're talking about)

2) Good to see how much respect you have for your fellow Americans.
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Its more a matter of the propaganda working, but sadly it does all too often now, because we have become a nation of ignorant chumps.

Just look at Washington for proof.
 
Fenton Lum said:
**** the public, too many watch corporate state TV. What do the preponderance of scientists say? The ones not funded by corporate sponsors and dark money think tanks?
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The preponderance of climate scientists fully understand and accept that climate change, which is predominantly caused by human activity, is making hurricanes more intense and damaging.

I'd also add that it is the deniers, not actual climate scientists, who operate dark money think tanks (e.g. Heartland, GWPF) funded by corporate sponsors (ExxonMobil, Koch, fossil fuel etc). I try not to promulgate their false views.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Its more a matter of the propaganda working, but sadly it does all too often now, because we have become a nation of ignorant chumps.

Just look at Washington for proof.
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Yes, I'm distressed by the Trump Administration, in particular its refusal to accept basic climate science. And yet, we must soldier on.
 
Visbek said:
The preponderance of climate scientists fully understand and accept that climate change, which is predominantly caused by human activity, is making hurricanes more intense and damaging.

I'd also add that it is the deniers, not actual climate scientists, who operate dark money think tanks (e.g. Heartland, GWPF) funded by corporate sponsors (ExxonMobil, Koch, fossil fuel etc). I try not to promulgate their false views.
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Yup, exactly.
 
Fenton Lum said:
Guess you should have gotten up off your ass when Clinton deregulated the FCC so concentrated corporate wealth and power could buy the entire US media machine,
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At least admit that Clinton only signed a GOP written and passed bill. The GOP regained control of both Houses of Congress in 1995.
 
Visbek said:
Article:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...rricanes-more-intense/?utm_term=.cc78b245f96f

The article discusses a few dimensions of the issue. One is that scientists are increasingly convinced that we're seeing the effects of climate change on these types of storms. A typical example:

“[Hurricane] Harvey was not caused by climate change, yet its impacts — the storm surge and especially the extreme rainfall — very likely worsened due to human-caused global warming,” Stefan Rahmstorf of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research said in a statement after the hurricane.

In a follow-up email to The Washington Post last month, Rahmstorf said that the explanation is just basic physics: The atmosphere holds more water vapor when it is warmer, setting the stage for more rain.

Unsurprisingly, there's a bit of a partisan split here, with Democrats and Independents gradually agreeing with the claim, while Republicans haven't changed their minds. More young people are also accepting the impact of climate change than in the past. The result, though, is that the skeptics are now decidedly in the minority.

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iguanaman said:
And that has nothing to do with the OP. Warmer water fuels larger and stronger hurricanes but does not make them appear.
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There has been no increase in hurricane frequency or intensity for almost 50 years.
 
Visbek said:
Article:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...rricanes-more-intense/?utm_term=.cc78b245f96f

The article discusses a few dimensions of the issue. One is that scientists are increasingly convinced that we're seeing the effects of climate change on these types of storms. A typical example:

“[Hurricane] Harvey was not caused by climate change, yet its impacts — the storm surge and especially the extreme rainfall — very likely worsened due to human-caused global warming,” Stefan Rahmstorf of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research said in a statement after the hurricane.

In a follow-up email to The Washington Post last month, Rahmstorf said that the explanation is just basic physics: The atmosphere holds more water vapor when it is warmer, setting the stage for more rain.

Unsurprisingly, there's a bit of a partisan split here, with Democrats and Independents gradually agreeing with the claim, while Republicans haven't changed their minds. More young people are also accepting the impact of climate change than in the past. The result, though, is that the skeptics are now decidedly in the minority.

imrs.php
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Is it your intention to celebrate popular ignorance?
 
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