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WaPo: Majority of Americans now say climate change makes hurricanes more intense

Visbek said:
Uh... yes... it's factual, but it's a misleading use of the facts. And it's not very clear at all.

Major hurricanes aren't all that common in the first place.

The number of hurricanes is not necessarily changing because of CC/AGW.

People aren't changing their minds because of hurricanes hitting the continental US.

Again, just because major hurricanes haven't made landfall on the continental US doesn't mean that the number of major hurricanes is dropping.

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It's also rather unclear what it is you're trying to prove. Just pointing out that hurricanes haven't hit the continental US in a long time doesn't actually disprove the claim that hurricanes are getting more intense because of CC, nor does it tell us anything about what people believe.
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No increase in frequency or intensity.

5 Hurricane Charts Climate Alarmists Don't Want You to See as They ...

www.climatedepot.com/.../5-hurricane-charts-climate-alarmists-dont-want-you-to-see-...


Sep 5, 2017 - Dr. Ryan Maue, a Phd.-credentialed meteorologist and hurricane expert, ... showing no discernible uptick in the frequency of global hurricanes.

[h=3]Global Hurricane Frequency[/h]
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Dr. Maue provides data from the last four decades of hurricane research showing no discernible uptick in the frequency of global hurricanes.


[h=3]Global and Northern Hemisphere Accumulated Cyclone Energy[/h]
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Dr. Ryan Maue/Policlimate
 
The Trump administration has taken a different approach to this issue.
So at this time it does not matter what the polls say say. It's a low priority now.


Trump is still pulling out of Paris Agreement, despite chatter of a reversal, experts say

President Donald Trump proclaimed Thursday he was withdrawing the US from the Paris climate accord, a sweeping step that fulfills a campaign promise. (6-02-17)

" President Donald Trump will not reverse course on the Paris Agreement."
 
Common Sense 1 said:
The Trump administration has taken a different approach to this issue.
So at this time it does not matter what the polls say say. It's a low priority now.


Trump is still pulling out of Paris Agreement, despite chatter of a reversal, experts say

President Donald Trump proclaimed Thursday he was withdrawing the US from the Paris climate accord, a sweeping step that fulfills a campaign promise. (6-02-17)

" President Donald Trump will not reverse course on the Paris Agreement."
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If the US is staying out of the Paris Agreement, shouldn't we get a refund of the monies we have already given?
 
The $1 Billion we have already sent for the Paris agreement would have provided a tax credit for
189,000 homes in the US, with a monthly savings of like 150 Gwh of electricity per month.
I have to wonder about the value those running the funds for the Paris agreement will get.
 
Jack Hays said:
There has been no increase in hurricane frequency or intensity for almost 50 years.
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Again the denial of scientific facts makes you a buffoon. Hurricanes are heat engines fueled by warm water. The warmer the water the more fuel for them to intensify. There is zero doubt that this years hurricanes were larger and more intense due to ocean temperatures being 1 to 2 degrees C warmer than normal for the last 50 years.
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iguanaman said:
Again the denial of scientific facts makes you a buffoon. Hurricanes are heat engines fueled by warm water. The warmer the water the more fuel for them to intensify.

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If I were as ignorant of the data as you are I'd be careful of words like "buffoon." Please see the data posted at #26.
 
Technically heat engines are fueled by temperature differential.
There is some question of the mechanism by which the greenhouse effect would warm the oceans,
but it is mostly from the warmer air warming the water. (IR radiation having almost zero transmission in water).
This basically means the water is warming in response to the air being warmer,
yet heat engines require a difference in temperature to operate.
If the water is catching up to the air, the temperature difference would be getting smaller.
 
Jack Hays said:
If I were as ignorant of the data as you are I'd be careful of words like "buffoon." Please see the data posted at #26.
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That data does nothing to deny the facts I stated. Your ignorance is noted though.
 
longview said:
Technically heat engines are fueled by temperature differential.
There is some question of the mechanism by which the greenhouse effect would warm the oceans,
but it is mostly from the warmer air warming the water. (IR radiation having almost zero transmission in water).
This basically means the water is warming in response to the air being warmer,
yet heat engines require a difference in temperature to operate.
If the water is catching up to the air, the temperature difference would be getting smaller.
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The temperatures at 50,000 feet are not rising as fast as the ocean temps.. That is the differential at work here.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
Of course it does. 11 years with out a major hurricane!
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Again, what is it that you imagine that statement proves?

It doesn't prove there were fewer hurricanes
It doesn't prove that hurricanes are less intense or less damaging
It doesn't prove that climate change will not make hurricanes less intense or less damaging
 
Common Sense 1 said:
The Trump administration has taken a different approach to this issue.
So at this time it does not matter what the polls say say. It's a low priority now.
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While climate change is not a top priority for most Americans, the positions held by or actions taken by the Trump Administration are not a valid indicator of public sentiment on the issue.
 
iguanaman said:
That data does nothing to deny the facts I stated. Your ignorance is noted though.
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Now almost 50-years of global hurricane data. No trends in frequency in number of named storms or those that reach hurricane-force








2:13 PM · Sep 13, 2017


Ryan Maue on Twitter: "Now almost 50-years of global hurricane data. No trends in frequency in number of named storms or those that reach hurricane-force https://t.co/BUZKLp7b6x"


Twitter › ryanmaue › status

Sep 13, 2017 - Meteorologist (PhD) | Free ex parte opinions on Weather | Hurricanes | Climate Science | Politics | Sports #Noles #Michigan | Think ..... Small or no frequency changes are common knowledge I believe.
 
Jack Hays said:
There has been no increase in hurricane frequency or intensity for nearly 50 years. Can you not read a graph?
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And that has nothing to do with what I said. There is no doubt that increased ocean temperatures fueled stronger and larger hurricanes in the Atlantic than if temperatures in their location were not 2 degrees above normal this year. What is so difficult about science for you?
 
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iguanaman said:
And that has nothing to do with what I said. There is no doubt that increased ocean temperatures fueled stronger and larger hurricanes in the Atlantic this year. What is so difficult about science for you?
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I know that is the theory. There is no evidence for it in the data.
 
Jack Hays said:
I know that is the theory. There is no evidence for it in the data.
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LOL So now you are doubting the science of how hurricanes function? Is there anything in science that is more than "theory" to you?
 
iguanaman said:
LOL So now you are doubting the science of how hurricanes function? Is there anything in science that is more than "theory" to you?
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No one is "doubting the science." I could as easily ask why you are doubting the data. You have presented theory; I have presented data.
 
Visbek said:
Article:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...rricanes-more-intense/?utm_term=.cc78b245f96f

The article discusses a few dimensions of the issue. One is that scientists are increasingly convinced that we're seeing the effects of climate change on these types of storms. A typical example:

“[Hurricane] Harvey was not caused by climate change, yet its impacts — the storm surge and especially the extreme rainfall — very likely worsened due to human-caused global warming,” Stefan Rahmstorf of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research said in a statement after the hurricane.

In a follow-up email to The Washington Post last month, Rahmstorf said that the explanation is just basic physics: The atmosphere holds more water vapor when it is warmer, setting the stage for more rain.

Unsurprisingly, there's a bit of a partisan split here, with Democrats and Independents gradually agreeing with the claim, while Republicans haven't changed their minds. More young people are also accepting the impact of climate change than in the past. The result, though, is that the skeptics are now decidedly in the minority.

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It's amazing how much power the media has over the ind of people.

Such a poll is effectively a metric to see how well their propaganda works.
 
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