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Go West Young Man, Go West

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Ahhh...back in the day...catchy title, new context...:mrgreen:

So you're living in St. John or St. Thomas with Irma, a record setting storm that already decimated Barbuda comin' atcha...should I stay or should I go?

Some locals make different choices...in the aftermath, many who didn't evacuate prior, join those who did...westerly to Puerto Rico among other places

Certainly, Puerto Rico gained incoming refugees due to no shortage from many places.

We get to debate Hurricanes...Harvey, Irma and they call the wind Maria(h)

Maria appears to be more like Andrew than Irma...good news

Maria is at Cat5 currently on pretty much a direct path for Puerto Rico's largest population base, San Juan

Go west young man, go west...but don't go to Florida
 
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Just stopped by to add...yes, many went to St. Croix instead...it's gonna get hit too, not as bad perhaps but gowest young man, go west...skip Puerto Rico and Florida.
 
Ahhh...back in the day...catchy title, new context...:mrgreen:

So you're living in St. John or St. Thomas with Irma, a record setting storm that already decimated Barbuda comin' atcha...should I stay or should I go?

Some locals make different choices...in the aftermath, many who didn't evacuate prior, join those who did...westerly to Puerto Rico among other places

Certainly, Puerto Rico gained incoming refugees due to no shortage from many places.

We get to debate Hurricanes...Harvey, Irma and they call the wind Maria(h)

Maria appears to be more like Andrew than Irma...good news

Maria is at Cat5 currently on pretty much a direct path for Puerto Rico's largest population base, San Juan

Go west young man, go west...but don't go to Florida

This thing is not going to touch America, Puerto Rico does not count, nobody cares....Victim Culture Promoter Extraordinaire CNN leads with it, who else?
 
Ahhh...back in the day...catchy title, new context...:mrgreen:

So you're living in St. John or St. Thomas with Irma, a record setting storm that already decimated Barbuda comin' atcha...should I stay or should I go?

Some locals make different choices...in the aftermath, many who didn't evacuate prior, join those who did...westerly to Puerto Rico among other places

Certainly, Puerto Rico gained incoming refugees due to no shortage from many places.

We get to debate Hurricanes...Harvey, Irma and they call the wind Maria(h)

Maria appears to be more like Andrew than Irma...good news

Maria is at Cat5 currently on pretty much a direct path for Puerto Rico's largest population base, San Juan

Go west young man, go west...but don't go to Florida

All these hurricanes -east into the Atlantic would be better.
 
I just keep repeating that there's nothing going on with the climate, there's nothing going on with the climate, there's nothing going on with the climate, there's nothing going on with the climate, there's nothing going on with the climate, there's nothing going on with the climate, there's nothing going on with the climate, .....................

Ten years ago, two Cat. 5 Atlantic landfalls.

https://weather.com/storms/hurricane/news/category-5-felix-dean-decade-later
 
Ahhh...back in the day...catchy title, new context...:mrgreen:

So you're living in St. John or St. Thomas with Irma, a record setting storm that already decimated Barbuda comin' atcha...should I stay or should I go?

Some locals make different choices...in the aftermath, many who didn't evacuate prior, join those who did...westerly to Puerto Rico among other places

Certainly, Puerto Rico gained incoming refugees due to no shortage from many places.

We get to debate Hurricanes...Harvey, Irma and they call the wind Maria(h)

Maria appears to be more like Andrew than Irma...good news

Maria is at Cat5 currently on pretty much a direct path for Puerto Rico's largest population base, San Juan

Go west young man, go west...but don't go to Florida

No country for old men?
 
I just keep repeating that there's nothing going on with the climate, there's nothing going on with the climate, there's nothing going on with the climate, there's nothing going on with the climate, there's nothing going on with the climate, there's nothing going on with the climate, there's nothing going on with the climate, .....................

Do you have the hurricane data from pre-industrial revolution days so we can compare?
 
I just keep repeating that there's nothing going on with the climate, there's nothing going on with the climate, there's nothing going on with the climate, there's nothing going on with the climate, there's nothing going on with the climate, there's nothing going on with the climate, there's nothing going on with the climate, .....................

Don't worry about it. We just have to build better houses.
 
Don't worry about it. We just have to build better houses.

We know very well how to do that, but that does take care of the flooding, so the Caribbean Islands are going to have to be depopulated I think, assuming that sea level rise predictions are anywhere near right.
 
This thing is not going to touch America, Puerto Rico does not count, nobody cares....Victim Culture Promoter Extraordinaire CNN leads with it, who else?

Haven't watched CNN lately so I must have got the notion somewhere else....as to your statement...

" This thing is not going to touch America, Puerto Rico does not count", it appears alternative facts are involved...

"Puerto Rico is a self-governing commonwealth in association with the United States. The chief of state is the President of the United States of America"

Puerto Rico has authority over its internal affairs. United States controls: interstate trade, foreign relations and commerce, customs administration, control of air, land and sea, immigration and emigration, nationality and citizenship, currency, maritime laws, military service, military bases, army, navy and air force, declaration of war, constitutionality of laws, jurisdictions and legal procedures, treaties, radio and television--communications, agriculture, mining and minerals, highways, postal system; Social Security, and other areas generally controlled by the federal government in the United States. Puerto Rican institutions control internal affairs unless U.S. law is involved, as in matters of public health and pollution.

Puerto Rico Government
 
Haven't watched CNN lately so I must have got the notion somewhere else....as to your statement...

" This thing is not going to touch America, Puerto Rico does not count", it appears alternative facts are involved...

"Puerto Rico is a self-governing commonwealth in association with the United States. The chief of state is the President of the United States of America"



Puerto Rico Government

Ya Ya I overstated things a bit, we have gone from 24% supporting statehood in 98 to 40% this year....I will thus amend:

I dont care what happens to PR in hurricanes....the place is a useless dump before, it will be after.
 
We know very well how to do that, but that does take care of the flooding, so the Caribbean Islands are going to have to be depopulated I think, assuming that sea level rise predictions are anywhere near right.
You do know that most of the Caribbean Islands are mountainous, are at least very hilly. The current 1 foot per century would talk a long time to effect
most of the Caribbean Islands.
 
This thing is not going to touch America, Puerto Rico does not count, nobody cares....Victim Culture Promoter Extraordinaire CNN leads with it, who else?

Puerto Rico doesn't count? Nobody cares?

That's simply not cool. Puerto Rico is a great place with fantastic people and it IS part of the US.
 
Ya Ya I overstated things a bit, we have gone from 24% supporting statehood in 98 to 40% this year....I will thus amend:

I dont care what happens to PR in hurricanes....the place is a useless dump before, it will be after.

OK then, how about this...St. John and St. Thomas are considered a part of America and even further from statehood and believe me, the costs are definitely going to "touch America" and you may view Puerto Rico as a useless dump but the recovery effort will be touching American tax dollars...dollars that won't be designated to "Continental US Dumps" probably effecting even more human beings which leads us to a possible, so what...most of them were illegals anyway.

It seems a bit of a dichotomy to me that "Humanitarian" contains a group know as humans that seem to have so many issues with the concept.
 
OK then, how about this...St. John and St. Thomas are considered a part of America and even further from statehood and believe me, the costs are definitely going to "touch America" and you may view Puerto Rico as a useless dump but the recovery effort will be touching American tax dollars...dollars that won't be designated to "Continental US Dumps" probably effecting even more human beings which leads us to a possible, so what...most of them were illegals anyway.

It seems a bit of a dichotomy to me that "Humanitarian" contains a group know as humans that seem to have so many issues with the concept.

Dont assume that you know what a Trump Supporter looks like...... I for instance call myself a Zen Socialist, I claim that the social wars over stuff like genetics are fanned by our owners as a diversion to pick America clean of anything of value, and I am all about the seeking of Truth thus the quality of ideas not the identity of the speaker, and I am a guy who likes to sample most everything and every person because I am and always have been a very curious person...so.....

Now that we have that out of the way...PR's are increasingly giving up on PR and coming to America, have been for over a decade and I am pretty sure that the depopulation is picking up speed and that very few young people decide to stick around to invest in PR unless they are taking care of old folk, so I am out. See I am often ready willing and found helping people but I dont waste my time on people who have given up on themselves or are too lazy to try to do something for themselves. On Puerto Rico I am pretty much at where I am with Haiti....abandon island, make people move to get help, the place is a lost cause.
 
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Dont assume that you know what a Trump Supporter looks like...... I for instance call myself a Zen Socialist, I claim that the social wars over stuff like genetics are fanned by our owners as a diversion to pick America clean of anything of value, and I am all about the seeking of Truth thus the quality of ideas not the identity of the speaker, and I am a guy who likes to sample most everything and every person because I am and always have been a very curious person...so.....

Am I in the wrong thread? I don't recall bringing Trump into this at all. I addressed your post by providing evidence of our American authority and responsibilities...perhaps a response to something I said in another thread?


Now that we have that out of the way...

Not sure what but I'm ready to move on.


PR's are increasingly giving up on PR and coming to America, have been for over a decade and I am pretty sure that the depopulation is picking up speed and that very few young people decide to stick around unless they are taking care of old folk, so I am out. See I am often ready willing and found helping people but I dont waste my time of people who have given up on themselves or are too lazy to try to do something for themselves.
Yeah, such a shame, a missed opportunity to create a beautiful vacation economy...throw some money at it and change the name to Eastern Florida...the crown jewel of Miami.

On Puerto Rico I am pretty much at where I am with Haiti....abandon island, make people move to get help, the place is a lost cause.

Does your position allow for those Haitians' to migrate to the USA to seek that help and a better life or would they need to go through years and proper channels...waiting on a delivery of MRE's and bottled water to survive...making an authoritarian statement should imply some sense of responsibility for it's enactment or is this more of a notion of why should we care, they won't be able to swim that far anyway?
 
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Does your position allow for those Haitians' to migrate to the USA to seek that help and a better life or would they need to go through years and proper channels...waiting on a delivery of MRE's and bottled water to survive...making an authoritarian statement should imply some sense of responsibility for it's enactment or is this more of a notion of why should we care, they won't be able to swim that far anyway?
Now that would be silly: I would tell the PR creditors to stuff it and give everyone who wants to come 1 year to get themselves to America with aid, and then wash my hands of the place after.

Well, I would want to do that if the courts would allow that, which I doubt as they dont figure they are about upholding the choices we have made through the rule of law, they tend to think that they run things these days, because they suck.
 
This thing is not going to touch America, Puerto Rico does not count, nobody cares....Victim Culture Promoter Extraordinaire CNN leads with it, who else?

Puerto Rico is America and the people are Americans. They're brown therefore basically Mexicans so **** them right?

The subhuman lack of empathy you have for your fellow countrymen never ceases to disgust or amaze me.
 
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We know very well how to do that, but that does take care of the flooding, so the Caribbean Islands are going to have to be depopulated I think, assuming that sea level rise predictions are anywhere near right.

That is true. A number of areas will submerge. Beach front properties will be at a higher elevation than now.
 
We know very well how to do that, but that does take care of the flooding, so the Caribbean Islands are going to have to be depopulated I think, assuming that sea level rise predictions are anywhere near right.

The sea has been rising for the last 18,000 years and it continues to do so at a rate thats well within natural norms. We can't stop that happening

Post-Glacial_Sea_Level_600.jpg
 
That is true. A number of areas will submerge. Beach front properties will be at a higher elevation than now.

These rising sea levels affect islands big and small. A study by the World Bank states that if the sea continues to rise at the current rate, Santo Domingo, the capital of the Dominican Republic, will be one on the five cities most affected at a global level by climate change in 2050 (after Alexandria, Barranquilla, Naples and Sapporo).

Coasts are vital for the region’s economy and population. Seventy percent of the Caribbean population lives on the coast. Almost all the Caribbean’s main cities, with their millions of inhabitants and their essentials infrastructures, are less than a mile from the coast – including highly vulnerable cities such as Port-au-Prince, Haiti and Havana, Cuba.

What’s more, most Caribbean nations rely on their coasts for a large percentage of economic activity. Last year, 25 million tourists visited the Caribbean. In St. Lucia, for instance, tourism accounts for over 60 percent of GDP.
Can you imagine a Caribbean minus its beaches? It's not science fiction, it?s climate change

I think that serious questions need to be asked about the long term future prospects in the age of rising seas and maybe increased hurricane action, for sure if we figure out the hurricanes are going to be more common now spending money after each one to rebuild increasingly gets to be a bad choice.
 
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