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I hope this idiot gets owned by Irma

CaptainCourtesy said:
So tell me, what do the two of you think of a conservative poster IN THIS THREAD wishing harm on a liberal member? If you are not hypocrites, you will also condemn that person AND THAT PERSON'S IDEOLOGY, conservatism, AND conservatives in general, as you did liberals and liberalism. For reference, check out post #3.
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First of all, if Bob Lutz had actually wished harm on people for not agreeing with his point of view, I would not have called out anyone who wished him the same. But that's not what happened. Plus, I pointed out later in this thread that the liberal on the panel--Degrasse-tyson- deserved credit for keeping the conversation/disagreement civil. What the OP did was take a civil discussion and turned it hateful. So from my perspective, she deserves whatever she gets.

As for the ideologies themselves, neither liberalism nor conservatism are hateful, but people within those ideologies certainly can be. But the question is, are they hateful because of their ideology or in spite of it? Something I have noticed is that liberals, almost without exception, reject the idea that things can be viewed in terms of black and white. Except when it comes to those who disagree with them. Disagreeing with liberal orthodoxy immediately lands you in the pack of the most vile of humans. Pick a liberal position, any liberal position, and see how those who oppose it are classified. Disagree with the left and they don't argue that you are wrong, they argue that you are a racist a sexist a homophobe a denier a hater of the poor or a dozen other such smears. Hillary actually proved this point when she lumped those who opposed her as a 'basket of deplorable.' We on the right aren't wrong in the eyes of the left, we are deplorable and irredeemable. I cant tell you the number of times I have been called a racist, or a hater, or a fascist or been lumped in with the most vile of humans simply for disagreeing with a liberal position. So forgive me if I don't have much respect or tolerance for the left or the way they argue politics.
 
Middleground said:
It's one think to wish ill on a person's kid. It's another to a house. Amazing how some here took my OP and twisted it. A house is just a thing.
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Yeah. A thing that gives you shelter, stores all of your food, probably all of your survival assets, and which can kill you if it blows over. Seems like a pretty important thing.

You're better than this.
 
Rich123 said:
Well to Fox news credit today I read that after Irma leaves Cuba and heads for Key West the wind speed that was lost over r Cuba will likely be regained due to bath tub ocean temperatures. This statement seems to acknowledge that high temperatures equal energy transference which adds to wind volosity. Oh ya, kind of sounds like global climate change. Thank you Fox News.
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Sounds like normal summer.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Yeah. A thing that gives you shelter, stores all of your food, probably all of your survival assets, and which can kill you if it blows over. Seems like a pretty important thing.

You're better than this.
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What's wrong with you? You're comparing a material thing to a human being.

And you have the nerve to say "you're better than this?"
 
Paperview said:
What's wrong with you? You're comparing a material thing to a human being.

And you have the nerve to say "you're better than this?"
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A material thing that can kill a human being.

Try reading.
 
Fletch said:
First of all, if Bob Lutz had actually wished harm on people for not agreeing with his point of view, I would not have called out anyone who wished him the same. But that's not what happened. Plus, I pointed out later in this thread that the liberal on the panel--Degrasse-tyson- deserved credit for keeping the conversation/disagreement civil. What the OP did was take a civil discussion and turned it hateful. So from my perspective, she deserves whatever she gets.

As for the ideologies themselves, neither liberalism nor conservatism are hateful, but people within those ideologies certainly can be. But the question is, are they hateful because of their ideology or in spite of it? Something I have noticed is that liberals, almost without exception, reject the idea that things can be viewed in terms of black and white. Except when it comes to those who disagree with them. Disagreeing with liberal orthodoxy immediately lands you in the pack of the most vile of humans. Pick a liberal position, any liberal position, and see how those who oppose it are classified. Disagree with the left and they don't argue that you are wrong, they argue that you are a racist a sexist a homophobe a denier a hater of the poor or a dozen other such smears. Hillary actually proved this point when she lumped those who opposed her as a 'basket of deplorable.' We on the right aren't wrong in the eyes of the left, we are deplorable and irredeemable. I cant tell you the number of times I have been called a racist, or a hater, or a fascist or been lumped in with the most vile of humans simply for disagreeing with a liberal position. So forgive me if I don't have much respect or tolerance for the left or the way they argue politics.
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Have you ever considered that maybe it's because you are just a jerk? Lots of conservatives don't feel this way. Perhaps you're just an asshole in your daily life? Your posts are consistently smug and condescending and oblivious to your opponent's position. I'm not at all surprised you're insulted regularly. More of a human response than a "left" response.


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SmokeAndMirrors said:
A material thing that can kill a human being.

Try reading.
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The guy said he was putting his house in the keys, and basically made a bet it wouldn't be destroyed. If it's destroyed, it might change his mind, which is a very good thing for a guy in his position of influence. His attitude and opinion is actually dangerous.


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Garydog said:
The guy said he was putting his house in the keys, and basically made a bet it wouldn't be destroyed. If it's destroyed, it might change his mind, which is a very good thing for a guy in his position of influence. His attitude and opinion is actually dangerous.

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Yeah, it is. But that doesn't mean wishing potentially fatal catastrophe on someone is ok. We should find a better way of talking to people than that. If anything, this sort of thing just makes people dig in their heels more. There's plenty of climate change deniers in hurricane-prone places who just write it off as, "Well, hurricanes have always happened!" This sort of attitude does nothing but worsen the conversation.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
A material thing that can kill a human being.

Try reading.
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I did read. You're comparing a material thing to a human being. Material things can be replaced, human beings can't.

To top it off, the house in question is just one of the multi-millionaire's houses.

Making it even worse.

You're comparing a material thing to a human being. <----Don't be this guy.
 
Paperview said:
I did read. You're comparing a material thing to a human being. Material things can be replaced, human beings can't.

To top it off, the house in question is just one of the multi-millionaire's houses.

Making it even worse.

You're comparing a material thing to a human being. <----Don't be this guy.
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If you're determined to twist what I say beyond recognition, that's your intellectual dishonestly and hackery to deal with, not mine.
 
Jack Hays said:
Climate Central is an advocacy/propaganda site.
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Okay, prove that data wrong with a source you deem credible. [emoji849]


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SmokeAndMirrors said:
Yeah, it is. But that doesn't mean wishing potentially fatal catastrophe on someone is ok. We should find a better way of talking to people than that. If anything, this sort of thing just makes people dig in their heels more. There's plenty of climate change deniers in hurricane-prone places who just write it off as, "Well, hurricanes have always happened!" This sort of attitude does nothing but worsen the conversation.
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Enough with the crocodile tears over a billionaire's vacation home. [emoji849]


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Jack Hays said:
Climate Central is an advocacy/propaganda site.
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Says the guy who gets all of his info from Watts' Up with That? Do you want to know Watts' up with that? YOU are being completely and utterly bamboozled.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Yeah. A thing that gives you shelter, stores all of your food, probably all of your survival assets, and which can kill you if it blows over. Seems like a pretty important thing.

You're better than this.
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Not for this guy. He shits money. Money earned by keeping the truth about climate science as muffled and distorted as possible.
 
Paperview said:
I'm not twisting anything.

You're comparing a material thing to a human being. <----Don't be this guy.
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In her defense, the title seems a little ambiguous.

I don't want anyone to die from the hurricane. Climate deniers should face justice at our hands, not the hands of mother nature. Our criminals and terrorists deserve a minimum of respect because we are civilized, we treat humans with respect.
 
Garydog said:
Okay, prove that data wrong with a source you deem credible. [emoji849]


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Not so much to prove the data wrong as to point out why they're meaningless.

". . . This is not a scientific sampling — but it is a quick ground truth case study that shows that the numbers being averaged from the very start — the Daily Average Temperatures officially recorded at surface stations, the unmodified basic data themselves, are not calculated to any degree of accuracy or precision at all — but rather are calculated “the way we always have” — finding the mean between the highest and lowest temperatures in a 24-hour period — that does not even give us what we would normally expect as the “average temperature during that day” — but some other number — a simple Mean between the Daily Lo and the Daily Hi, which the above chart reveals to be quite different. The average distance from zero for the two month sample is 1.3°F. The average of all differences, including the sign, is 0.39°F. . . ."


The Laws of Averages: Part 3, The Average Average

Guest Essay by Kip Hansen This essay is the third and last in a series of essays about Averages — their use and misuse. My interest is in the logical and scientific errors, the informational errors, that can result from what I have playfully coined “The Laws of Averages”. Averages As both the…


 
Middleground said:
Says the guy who gets all of his info from Watts' Up with That? Do you want to know Watts' up with that? YOU are being completely and utterly bamboozled.
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WUWT is one of several sites I trust, and for all your name calling you've never produced an iota of evidence why WUWT is not trustworthy.
 
Jack Hays said:
WUWT is one of several sites I trust, and for all your name calling you've never produced an iota of evidence why WUWT is not trustworthy.
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It does not take Einstein to know that website serves heaping piles of crocks of **** to those who want to feed their pre-conceived nutty bias.
 
Garydog said:
Enough with the crocodile tears over a billionaire's vacation home. [emoji849]


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Forgive me if hoping people die doesn't pass as meaningful political discussion in my world.
 
Middleground said:
Not for this guy. He shits money. Money earned by keeping the truth about climate science as muffled and distorted as possible.
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All people are made of blood and guts. All people can die when a house comes down on them.

Do you think for one second that snarling at the dude is going to make him change his mind?
 
This is about people, including the chief executive in the video, forum posters like Flogger, etc., believing that they know better than the consensus of the scientific community on a matter of science.

This has nothing to do with policy, whether we should spend to try and change it (as Jack may claim we shouldn't)
This is not about whether companies did it out of spite or evil.

It's simply about a large percentage of the population literally denying reality, which should scare the ever living **** out of sane people. Trying to paint science as "democrats" or "liberal" or "the opposition", is like trying to claim books are evil. You mother****ers better start thinking straight.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
All people are made of blood and guts. All people can die when a house comes down on them.

Do you think for one second that snarling at the dude is going to make him change his mind?
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Why are you still going on about this? The ****nut denier (who creates gullible people who believe him and are poor, and are at much more risk of their lives BY LISTENING TO HIM ) -- is a billionaire with numerous houses. You think he hopped over to one of his vaca abodes in the Keys when a Cat 5 was predicted just so he could ride it out?

???

Makes no sense. I'm beginning to understand your screen name.
 
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