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Los Angeles keeps setting record summer temperatures... but no global warming!

I'm sorry you lack the comprehension.

The only thing I can't comprehend is how you delude yourself into thinking you are some kind of climate expert when you and your denialist friends are consistently proven wrong.
 
The only thing I can't comprehend is how you delude yourself into thinking you are some kind of climate expert when you and your denialist friends are consistently proven wrong.

The title of the thread is:
Los Angeles keeps setting record summer temperatures... but no global warming!

Here's what NOAA's Climate at a Glance shows for Los Angeles Max Temperatures May - October:

LosAngelesMayOctMaxTemps.jpg
 
The only thing I can't comprehend is how you delude yourself into thinking you are some kind of climate expert when you and your denialist friends are consistently proven wrong.

I have not been proven wrong. That's a figment of you imagination colored by confirmation bias.
 
https://la.curbed.com/2017/7/6/15929518/forecast-temperatures-heat-wave-record-downtown

And now at the start of September they're in the middle of yet another ugly heat wave in the hundreds+ degrees.

For those who were not aware, there are places that you can go in Los Angeles to cool down, in case your air conditioning isn't working or there's an outage.

https://laparks.org/frontpage-emergency-page

Best wishes to everyone out there... hope you all stay cool!

Yes, absolutely. I also live in the region that is considered the Southwest United States. The National Climate Assessment identifies each region of the US, and the specific impacts of Climate Change on those areas. Here is a link to the Southwest.
https://nca2014.globalchange.gov/highlights/regions/southwest#intro-section-2

SW_frost-free-season_NCA.jpg

Increased heat and changes to rain and snowpack will send ripple effects throughout the region, affecting 56 million people – a population expected to increase to 94 million by 2050 – and its critical agriculture sector. Severe and sustained drought will stress water sources, already over-utilized in many areas, forcing increasing competition among farmers, energy producers, urban dwellers, and ecosystems for the region’s most precious resource.
 
Yes, absolutely. I also live in the region that is considered the Southwest United States. The National Climate Assessment identifies each region of the US, and the specific impacts of Climate Change on those areas. Here is a link to the Southwest.
https://nca2014.globalchange.gov/highlights/regions/southwest#intro-section-2

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Increased heat and changes to rain and snowpack will send ripple effects throughout the region, affecting 56 million people – a population expected to increase to 94 million by 2050 – and its critical agriculture sector. Severe and sustained drought will stress water sources, already over-utilized in many areas, forcing increasing competition among farmers, energy producers, urban dwellers, and ecosystems for the region’s most precious resource.


Longer Frost-free Season Increases Stress on Crops

Really?

That's like saying lower food prices at Kroger puts stress on the average family.
Well really, how much B.S. are you willing to swallow before you cry "Uncle".

And if that is somehow is claiming drought here's what NOAA's Climate at a Glance
Shows for Southwest Precipitation May Through October:

SouthwestPrecipitation.jpg
 
Longer Frost-free Season Increases Stress on Crops

Really?

That's like saying lower food prices at Kroger puts stress on the average family.
Well really, how much B.S. are you willing to swallow before you cry "Uncle".

And if that is somehow is claiming drought here's what NOAA's Climate at a Glance
Shows for Southwest Precipitation May Through October:

View attachment 67226161

Your rhetoric is violent. You misunderstand the West. I live there. The amount of precipitation, overall, will not change. The amount of drought will. Think about it.
 
...The amount of precipitation, overall, will not change. The amount of drought will. Think about it.

That's right, the pattern of regular switches from above or below average
precipitation extends all the way back to 1900. Exactly what is your point?
 
That's right, the pattern of regular switches from above or below average
precipitation extends all the way back to 1900. Exactly what is your point?

I made my point with my posts, but I'm not sure what your point is at all. My point - The West is experiencing more extreme droughts, and will experience even more in the future.
 
Yes, absolutely. I also live in the region that is considered the Southwest United States...

...My point - The West is experiencing more extreme droughts, and will experience even more in the future.

The West or the Southwest? You really should make up your mind.

Whatever, here's what NOAA's Climate at a Glance says about the West

WestPrecipitation.jpg
 
https://la.curbed.com/2017/7/6/15929518/forecast-temperatures-heat-wave-record-downtown

And now at the start of September they're in the middle of yet another ugly heat wave in the hundreds+ degrees.

For those who were not aware, there are places that you can go in Los Angeles to cool down, in case your air conditioning isn't working or there's an outage.

https://laparks.org/frontpage-emergency-page

Best wishes to everyone out there... hope you all stay cool!

"La la la la la la la: with fingers knuckle deep in ears, don’t want to threaten the corporate state’s profit margin over some silly little societal concerns. More endless war will solve anything we need to confront.
 
Got it. We've gone full-circle. Back to your original picture. Please review, if you wish to discuss further.

I did review it, there were three separate graphs from NOAA's site, one
for Los Angeles, The Southwest, and the West. You need to pay attention.
So are you in the West or the Southwest?
 
I have not been proven wrong. That's a figment of you imagination colored by confirmation bias.

Really Lord? So... you still think that the heating from the loss of evapotranspiration from rain going down the drain isn't going to be overcome by all the cooling from added evapotranspiration due to irrigation. To put it another way... less that 130 million gallons of lost water is going to warm L.A. more that 70 billion gallons is going to cool it. Is this really what you're going to stick with?

:lamo
 
The title of the thread is:
Los Angeles keeps setting record summer temperatures... but no global warming!

Here's what NOAA's Climate at a Glance shows for Los Angeles Max Temperatures May - October:

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Since when does summer extend for 6 months? And do you realize that your graph is the average high temps for 6 months and doesn't actually show record high temps?
 
Since when does summer extend for 6 months? And do you realize that your graph is the average high temps for 6 months and doesn't actually show record high temps?


Hmmm. Then why does the graph say "maximum temperature" instead of "average high temperature?"
 
Hmmm. Then why does the graph say "maximum temperature" instead of "average high temperature?"

Maximum temperature and high temperature are the same thing. And since Steve's graph is for a 6 month period it is the average of those highs. And I don't know if you noticed the temperature scale on that graph but do you seriously think that if they were record highs they would be in the range of 70 to 80 degrees?
 
Maximum temperature and high temperature are the same thing. And since Steve's graph is for a 6 month period it is the average of those highs. And I don't know if you noticed the temperature scale on that graph but do you seriously think that if they were record highs they would be in the range of 70 to 80 degrees?

I'm fine with high = maximum. But nowhere does the word "average" appear, and you're the only one talking about "record highs."
 
But nowhere does the word "average" appear,

Sure... "average" doesn't appear, but "mean" does. Besides... the graph is about "Climate at a glance" and not " Extreme weather at a glance".

and you're the only one talking about "record highs."

Not true. The title and subject of this thread is originally about record highs and Steve even quoted the title in his post.

I didn't jump into this thread to debate record temps. I got into it to refute Lord's ridiculous assertion that new record highs and the loss of evapotranspiration from rain going down storm sewers is evidence that "greenhouse gasses are far weaker than expected". So... what do you think about this argument? I would also love to know what Steve thinks about this as well. Hell... anyone for that matter.
 
Sure... "average" doesn't appear, but "mean" does. Besides... the graph is about "Climate at a glance" and not " Extreme weather at a glance".



Not true. The title and subject of this thread is originally about record highs and Steve even quoted the title in his post.

I didn't jump into this thread to debate record temps. I got into it to refute Lord's ridiculous assertion that new record highs and the loss of evapotranspiration from rain going down storm sewers is evidence that "greenhouse gasses are far weaker than expected". So... what do you think about this argument? I would also love to know what Steve thinks about this as well. Hell... anyone for that matter.

"Mean" is not "average" and it's just the reference line. It does not affect the maximum temperatures shown. This graph is not about record highs. I don't care why you got into the thread. I'm just calling out your false argument here.
 
This graph is not about record highs.

I'm glad to see you agree with me.

I don't care why you got into the thread.

Of course you don't. Likely because the argument I and Lord are having is way beyond your comprehension.

I'm just calling out your false argument here.

What false argument is that? I asked Steve why he is citing a 6-month graph when talking about summer temps. And then pointed out that his graph isn't about record highs. And you agree with me.
 
I'm glad to see you agree with me.



Of course you don't. Likely because the argument I and Lord are having is way beyond your comprehension.



What false argument is that? I asked Steve why he is citing a 6-month graph when talking about summer temps. And then pointed out that his graph isn't about record highs. And you agree with me.

Steve did not claim record highs, and May-October is often cited to discuss summer temperatures.
 
Steve did not claim record highs,

No, he didn't. He just quoted the title of the thread which is about record highs in the summer. So this means he was questioning those record highs with the record of average highs over a 6 month period. Not a very good comparison if you ask me.

and May-October is often cited to discuss summer temperatures.

Really? Show me some examples of this.
 
No, he didn't. He just quoted the title of the thread which is about record highs in the summer. So this means he was questioning those record highs with the record of average highs over a 6 month period. Not a very good comparison if you ask me.



Really? Show me some examples of this.

The graph says nothing about average highs. It says it records maximum temperatures.
 
Since when does summer extend for 6 months? And do you realize that your graph is the average high temps for 6 months and doesn't actually show record high temps?

You're right, what I can glean from NOAA's Climate at a Glance isn't an exact match to record high
summer temperatures. One of the posts responded to was for growing seasons. The claim was that
longer "Frost-free Seasons Increases Stress on Crops" and of course, Is summer just June through
August or is September 21st the last day of summer? Growing season, meteorological summer
astronomical summer, Frost-free season. What I've found out is that summer time Maximum
Temperatures in the United States have cooled for most of the country since the 19th century.
Winter Maximums on the other hand have warmed up. The dividing line between those two statistics
is May - October and November - April. In actual fact United States weather patterns have become milder.

The folks on your side of the coin complaining about extremes in weather as the new normal are going
to have to start complaining about extreme mildness.

Here's a map of what that looks like:

10er3ps.jpg


Most of those states shown with cooling summer MaxTemps for over 80 years have been cooling since
1895 when the Climate at a Glance data starts. I assume the phenomenon has been occurring for
some time before that.
 
You're right, what I can glean from NOAA's Climate at a Glance isn't an exact match to record high
summer temperatures. One of the posts responded to was for growing seasons. The claim was that
longer "Frost-free Seasons Increases Stress on Crops" and of course, Is summer just June through
August or is September 21st the last day of summer? Growing season, meteorological summer
astronomical summer, Frost-free season. What I've found out is that summer time Maximum
Temperatures in the United States have cooled for most of the country since the 19th century.
Winter Maximums on the other hand have warmed up. The dividing line between those two statistics
is May - October and November - April. In actual fact United States weather patterns have become milder.

The folks on your side of the coin complaining about extremes in weather as the new normal are going
to have to start complaining about extreme mildness.

Here's a map of what that looks like:

10er3ps.jpg


Most of those states shown with cooling summer MaxTemps for over 80 years have been cooling since
1895 when the Climate at a Glance data starts. I assume the phenomenon has been occurring for
some time before that.

If you're going to analyze NOAA data, I suggest a broader approach. Nobody knows what references you are using to create your interactive graph. The annual report pretty much says it all. This is the 2016 Annual Report. 2017 will be released soon.

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/national/201613
In 2016, the contiguous United States (CONUS) average temperature was 54.9°F, 2.9°F above the 20th century average. This was the second warmest year for the CONUS, behind 2012 when the annual average temperature was 55.3°F. This marks the 20th consecutive year that the annual average temperature for the CONUS was above the 20th century average. The last year with a below-average temperature was 1996. Since 1895, the CONUS has observed an average temperature increase of 0.15°F per decade.
 
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