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Most of The World Could Be 100% Powered With Renewables by 2050

The price of the power from concentrated solar power (CSP), that can produce electricity on demand, is getting more and more competitive.

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/...4-hour-renewable-energy-crescent-dunes-nevada

I'm not impressed considering the retail rate PGE gives me power is 6.51 cents per kWh, before transmission, distribution fees, other fees, and taxes. I'm sure it is cheaper than that at wholesale. Probably under 4 cents. My last bills was $33.72 for 518 kWh of power, but my bill was $69.49 when the taxes, fees, etc. were added.
 
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Yes, they will be around until we have some incredible breakthrough in technology.

A solution is out there.

energycow.jpg

"The reasoning behind the device is the following – what if we could found a way to capture the nearly 300 litres (or 80 gallons) methane a day, an average cow emits, and turn that gas into useful biofuel? Developing the backpack, the institute's goal was to show that such a process is possible. And so it did."

This Is How You Turn Cow Fart Gas Into Energy

Seems to be a little cheaper than Obamas failed Coyote Acme schemes anyway.


"Taxpayers are on the hook for more than $2.2 billion in expected costs from the federal government’s energy loan guarantee programs, according to a new audit Monday that suggests the controversial projects may not pay for themselves, as officials had promised.

Nearly $1 billion in loans have already defaulted"


Obama clean energy loans leave taxpayers in $2.2 billion hole
 
I'm talking about the money spent in grants for AGW papers vs. papers of reality. That's greater than a 99:1 ratio.

Odd.

In other threads you argue that all the AGW papers are really just reality because they all use weasel words.

Maybe you should get your bull**** stories straight when you post.
 
Odd.

In other threads you argue that all the AGW papers are really just reality because they all use weasel words.

Maybe you should get your bull**** stories straight when you post.

Yes, they use weasel words. They have all this money available, but if they used words that best fit reality, they would likely not be asked to do another similar study.
 
I'm talking about the money spent in grants for AGW papers vs. papers of reality. That's greater than a 99:1 ratio.

Sources on that?

Also Bush, that didn’t sign the Kyoto protocol and stopped California’s emission standards, was president for eight year. While Donald Trump have soon been president for two years. While you also like now have periods with Republican controlled congress. So of course all those Republicans could have directed funding to disprove manmade global warming if evidence of that existed.

Instead federal agencies under Trump acknowledge manmade global warming and its negative effect.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/03/climate/us-climate-report.html

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...gencies-break-with-trump-over-climate-threats

While the fossil fuel companies are amongst the most profitable companies in the world so of course they could have afforded to fund studies to disprove manmade global warming if evidence of that existed. Instead they own studies acknowledge manmade global warming and its negative effects.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/...h-climate-change-20-years-ago-documents-show/

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/
 
Increased push for electric vehicles.

"Political and business leaders gathering in San Francisco for a major climate change summit have committed to moving towards what was once a fantastical thought – the demise of the internal combustion engine in cars, trucks and other vehicles.

A group of 26 city, business and regional or state leaders, representing 122 million people around the world, have used the Global Climate Action Summit to call for carmakers to quicken the pace of electric vehicle rollout. Twelve cities, including Santa Monica, Tokyo and Greater Manchester, have pledged to deploy only zero emission buses from 2025."

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...ric-cars-climate-change-summit-zero-emissions

While in Sweden you have road trials with electrified roads.

https://www.thelocal.se/20180413/worlds-first-electric-road-opens-in-sweden
 
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You have seen a drastic decline in coal in the USA.

The Decline of Coal in Three Charts

There this have also lead to a drastic decline in number of deaths attributable to fine particle pollution from U.S. power plants.

Death and Disease from Power Plants - Clean Air Task Force (CATF)

While you have even more positive examples from other countries. Like for example the UK that have drastically reduced its coal consumption and will close it last coal plant in 2025.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/nov/09/britains-last-coal-power-plants-to-close-by-2025

While Denmark that got 43 percent of their electricity from renewables in 2017 and plan to get atleast half of all their energy consumption from renewables by 2030.

https://www.thelocal.dk/20180111/denmark-set-wind-power-record-in-2017-ministry

There the UK is one the first place and Denmark on seventh place on the Forbes best country for business list.

https://www.forbes.com/best-countries-for-business/list/
 
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It is possible to halving greenhouse gas emissions by around 2030 according to a new report.

"A report published in conjunction with the opening of the 2018 Global Climate Action Summit in San Francisco, shows the potential for all sectors of global economy - energy, food and agriculture, industry, buildings and transport - to halve greenhouse gas emissions by around 2030. Stronger policies, the digital revolution and greater climate leadership are necessary to accelerate the economic transformation, say the authors.

The report, launched by Christiana Figueres and former centre director Johan Rockstöm, concludes that the energy transformation in the next decade could occur much faster than many forecasts as the price of renewables drops low enough to outcompete fossil fuels. But keeping up the pace will require sharper policies to push out fossil fuels. Other sectors, however, are off track."

Halving greenhouse gas emissions by around 2030 - Stockholm Resilience Centre
 
It is possible to halving greenhouse gas emissions by around 2030 according to a new report.

"A report published in conjunction with the opening of the 2018 Global Climate Action Summit in San Francisco, shows the potential for all sectors of global economy - energy, food and agriculture, industry, buildings and transport - to halve greenhouse gas emissions by around 2030. Stronger policies, the digital revolution and greater climate leadership are necessary to accelerate the economic transformation, say the authors.

The report, launched by Christiana Figueres and former centre director Johan Rockstöm, concludes that the energy transformation in the next decade could occur much faster than many forecasts as the price of renewables drops low enough to outcompete fossil fuels. But keeping up the pace will require sharper policies to push out fossil fuels. Other sectors, however, are off track."

Halving greenhouse gas emissions by around 2030 - Stockholm Resilience Centre
I think market forces will make it happen before then, but not because of Government coercion.
Let me paint a vision of a possible future.
Oil prices continue to climb, and so does the unpleasant duck curve from alternate energy.
The two paths meet, when the refineries will see a greater profit from buying surplus electricity,
and making carbon neutral fuel. I think this will be when oil is between $90 and $100 a barrel.
When the carbon neutral fuel at the pump is the lowest cost choice, it is the one people will choose.
 
I think market forces will make it happen before then, but not because of Government coercion.
Let me paint a vision of a possible future.
Oil prices continue to climb, and so does the unpleasant duck curve from alternate energy.
The two paths meet, when the refineries will see a greater profit from buying surplus electricity,
and making carbon neutral fuel. I think this will be when oil is between $90 and $100 a barrel.
When the carbon neutral fuel at the pump is the lowest cost choice, it is the one people will choose.

There are already many ways to regulate supply from renewables like for example batteries, concentrated solar power with thermal storage, hydropower, pumped-storage hydroelectricity and sustainable biofuels. While for example offshore windpower can give a relative steady output of electricity. There you for example have Scotland that already gets 68 percent of its electricity from renewables sources.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...scotland-climate-change-oil-gas-a8283166.html

Renewables energy have also already starting to out compete fossil fuels thanks to governments, citizens, communities and businesses that there willing to lead the way in the necessary transition towards renewable energy.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...zed-by-plunge-in-cost-of-renewables-bnef-says

https://www.inverse.com/article/480...-will-be-effectively-zero-says-ubs-researcher

While the fossil fuel companies have spent very little money and effort on testing and developing technologies for using their refineries to produce carbon neutral fuels. Even if they for a very long time have known about the destructive effects of global warming caused by burning their products.

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...rnings?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

Instead the fossil fuel companies have focused their money and effort on deceiving the public about the realities and risks of climate change.

https://www.ucsusa.org/global-warmi...siers-fossil-fuel-industry-memos#.W6c9bXszaUk
 
There are already many ways to regulate supply from renewables like for example batteries, concentrated solar power with thermal storage, hydropower, pumped-storage hydroelectricity and sustainable biofuels. While for example offshore windpower can give a relative steady output of electricity. There you for example have Scotland that already gets 68 percent of its electricity from renewables sources.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...scotland-climate-change-oil-gas-a8283166.html

Renewables energy have also already starting to out compete fossil fuels thanks to governments, citizens, communities and businesses that there willing to lead the way in the necessary transition towards renewable energy.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...zed-by-plunge-in-cost-of-renewables-bnef-says

https://www.inverse.com/article/480...-will-be-effectively-zero-says-ubs-researcher

While the fossil fuel companies have spent very little money and effort on testing and developing technologies for using their refineries to produce carbon neutral fuels. Even if they for a very long time have known about the destructive effects of global warming caused by burning their products.

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...rnings?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

Instead the fossil fuel companies have focused their money and effort on deceiving the public about the realities and risks of climate change.

https://www.ucsusa.org/global-warmi...siers-fossil-fuel-industry-memos#.W6c9bXszaUk

Do you understand how far apart the energy density of batteries are from the energy density of hydrocarbon storage?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_density
Specific energy Mj/kg
gasoline 46.4 Mj/kg
Lithium metal battery 1.8 Mj/kg
So even if an IC engine operates at 15% efficiency it still contains 6.96 Mj/kg, or about 4 times greater density.
You made a statement,
"While the fossil fuel companies have spent very little money and effort on testing and developing technologies for using their refineries to produce carbon neutral fuels."
My question is, how do you know? you assume you know what you are talking about, but the finished fuel product companies,
(They do not really sell much oil) all have alternate energy research programs.
https://energyfactor.exxonmobil.com...PdtPHVIYKIZdmGolsroaAh4JEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
https://energyfactor.exxonmobil.com...PdtPHVIYKIZdmGolsroaAh4JEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
What you are missing is that what we call oil companies, do not care where their feedstock comes from,
what they care about is how do they make the fuels that are in demand at a greater profit.
at some point that greater profit will be from some type of alternative fuel.
 
Do you understand how far apart the energy density of batteries are from the energy density of hydrocarbon storage?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_density
Specific energy Mj/kg
gasoline 46.4 Mj/kg
Lithium metal battery 1.8 Mj/kg
So even if an IC engine operates at 15% efficiency it still contains 6.96 Mj/kg, or about 4 times greater density.
You made a statement,
"While the fossil fuel companies have spent very little money and effort on testing and developing technologies for using their refineries to produce carbon neutral fuels."
My question is, how do you know? you assume you know what you are talking about, but the finished fuel product companies,
(They do not really sell much oil) all have alternate energy research programs.
https://energyfactor.exxonmobil.com...PdtPHVIYKIZdmGolsroaAh4JEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
https://energyfactor.exxonmobil.com...PdtPHVIYKIZdmGolsroaAh4JEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
What you are missing is that what we call oil companies, do not care where their feedstock comes from,
what they care about is how do they make the fuels that are in demand at a greater profit.
at some point that greater profit will be from some type of alternative fuel.

Electric cars are getting more and more competitive, for example Norway there over half of new cars are electric or hybrids.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ar-sales-now-electric-or-hybrid-idUSKBN1ES0WC

While in Sweden you have road trials with electric roads.

https://www.thelocal.se/20180413/worlds-first-electric-road-opens-in-sweden

You also have many positive example of batteries used for storing electricity.

https://electrek.co/2018/01/23/tesla-giant-battery-australia-1-million/

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/09/25/renault-will-transition-french-island-to-renewable-energy/

While batteries is just one of many ways to regulate supply and demand. Like for example that the Hoover dam could also be used for pump storage.

https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/hoover-dam-may-become-giant-solar-battery/

Also for example that the price of the power from concentrated solar power with thermal storage, is getting more and more competitive.

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/...4-hour-renewable-energy-crescent-dunes-nevada

Can you provide any sources for how much the fossil fuel companies have spend testing and developing technologies for using their refineries to produce carbon neutral fuels? Also about how far they have come? That the top article in your link was about Exxon developing lubricants for electric cars.
 
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[h=2]Secret coal boom in China. Photos show massive construction at “closed” plants. Death of Coal is FakeNews.[/h]
China said it would stop coal power construction, but CoalSwarm activists have caught it restarting construction at many plants it said it would close. It’s a tsunami of coal plants according to EndCoal. We’re talking about new capacity of 259GW, equivalent to the entire US coal fleet or more than ten times the total Australian coal fleet (23GW).
[h=1]China said it was done with these coal plants. Satellite imagery shows otherwise.[/h]By Nathanael Johnson on Sep 25, 2018
Newly released satellite photos appear to show continuing construction of coal plants that China said it was cancelling last year, according to CoalSwarm.

In January 2017, China announced that it was canceling more than 100 coal plants across 13 provinces. At the time, a researcher familiar with Chinese politics said that regional officials might try to skirt the central government’s order.

The Huadian Plant was suspended in Jan 2017, but look at those cooling towers…. (Slide the centre line left and right).

Satellite imagery from Planet, February 2017 to March 2018, shows construction clearly ongoing at the plant.
Matt McGrath, BBC News
Building work has restarted at hundreds of Chinese coal-fired power stations, according to an analysis of satellite imagery.
The research, carried out by green campaigners CoalSwarm, suggests that 259 gigawatts of new capacity are under development in China. The authors say this is the same capacity to produce electricity as the entire US coal fleet. The study says government attempts to cancel many plants have failed. … there was a surge in new coal projects approved at provincial level in China between 2014 and 2016. This happened because of a decentralisation programme that shifted authority over coal plant construction approvals to local authorities. The report says that at present China has 993 gigawatts of coal power capacity, but the approved new plants would increase this by 25%.
The surge in new projects will exceed China’s current Five-year-plan coal cap of 1100 GW.
Apparently this will create more white-elephants. The genius of communist planning:
“Given that China’s coal fleet operates less than half the time, 259 GW additional coal power capacity is unneeded and represents US$210 billion in capital expenditures that could instead fund nearly 300 GW of solar PV or 175 GW of onshore wind power.”
Endcoal
Who knows what the truth is? Coal prices are rising.
[h=3]Coal is the only dying asset where people want more and are paying more[/h]The Inconvenient Truth Of Rising Coal Prices
Tim Treadgold, Forbes
Coal prices are not supposed to be rising as governments tighten environmental controls, but that’s precisely what is happening at the premium end of the coal market where prices have soared.
Over the past six months, the price of top quality thermal coal exported from the Australian port of Newcastle has risen by 25% to $115 a ton, a move reflected in the share prices of Australian coal exporters, such as Whitehaven Coal, which is up 27% over the same time, and Stanmore Coal, which is up 16%.
h/t El Gordo, GWPF
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Electric cars are getting more and more competitive, for example Norway there over half of new cars are electric or hybrids.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ar-sales-now-electric-or-hybrid-idUSKBN1ES0WC

While in Sweden you have road trials with electric roads.

https://www.thelocal.se/20180413/worlds-first-electric-road-opens-in-sweden

You also have many positive example of batteries used for storing electricity.

https://electrek.co/2018/01/23/tesla-giant-battery-australia-1-million/

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/09/25/renault-will-transition-french-island-to-renewable-energy/

While batteries is just one of many ways to regulate supply and demand. Like for example that the Hoover dam could also be used for pump storage.

https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/hoover-dam-may-become-giant-solar-battery/

Also for example that the price of the power from concentrated solar power with thermal storage, is getting more and more competitive.

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/...4-hour-renewable-energy-crescent-dunes-nevada

Can you provide any sources for how much the fossil fuel companies have spend testing and developing technologies for using their refineries to produce carbon neutral fuels? Also about how far they have come? That the top article in your link was about Exxon developing lubricants for electric cars.

Cutting and Pasting, does not change the laws of physics.
Batteries still have to get 4 times more dense to compete with gasoline for cars,
and 12 times more energy dense to move a jet across the ocean.
 
Electric cars are getting more and more competitive, for example Norway there over half of new cars are electric or hybrids.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ar-sales-now-electric-or-hybrid-idUSKBN1ES0WC

While in Sweden you have road trials with electric roads.

https://www.thelocal.se/20180413/worlds-first-electric-road-opens-in-sweden

You also have many positive example of batteries used for storing electricity.

https://electrek.co/2018/01/23/tesla-giant-battery-australia-1-million/

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/09/25/renault-will-transition-french-island-to-renewable-energy/

While batteries is just one of many ways to regulate supply and demand. Like for example that the Hoover dam could also be used for pump storage.

https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/hoover-dam-may-become-giant-solar-battery/

Also for example that the price of the power from concentrated solar power with thermal storage, is getting more and more competitive.

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/...4-hour-renewable-energy-crescent-dunes-nevada

Can you provide any sources for how much the fossil fuel companies have spend testing and developing technologies for using their refineries to produce carbon neutral fuels? Also about how far they have come? That the top article in your link was about Exxon developing lubricants for electric cars.

LOL.

He still uses a ten year old press release from the Navy about how ‘feedstock’ from CO2 is somehow going to be turned into liquid hydrocarbon and states it will happen when oil hits $90/bbl... which it has several times in the past, with no indication anyone in any oil company is working on anything to make his fantasy become reality.

It’s just denier fantasy.
 
LOL.

He still uses a ten year old press release from the Navy about how ‘feedstock’ from CO2 is somehow going to be turned into liquid hydrocarbon and states it will happen when oil hits $90/bbl... which it has several times in the past, with no indication anyone in any oil company is working on anything to make his fantasy become reality.

It’s just denier fantasy.

From June 2018:

Published in the scientific journal Joule on Thursday, the research demonstrates a new technique that pulls carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere, and converts it into liquid gasoline, diesel or jet fuel. ... DAC refers to "direct air capture" technology, or the technique by which Carbon Engineering extracts CO2 from air.Jun 7, 2018

[h=3]Carbon Engineering and Harvard find way to convert CO2 to gasoline[/h]https://www.cnbc.com/.../carbon-engineering-and-harvard-find-way-to-convert-co2-to-...



 
From June 2018:

Published in the scientific journal Joule on Thursday, the research demonstrates a new technique that pulls carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere, and converts it into liquid gasoline, diesel or jet fuel. ... DAC refers to "direct air capture" technology, or the technique by which Carbon Engineering extracts CO2 from air.Jun 7, 2018

[h=3]Carbon Engineering and Harvard find way to convert CO2 to gasoline[/h]https://www.cnbc.com/.../carbon-engineering-and-harvard-find-way-to-convert-co2-to-...




Not really ‘oil companies working on it’...is it?
 
From June 2018:

Published in the scientific journal Joule on Thursday, the research demonstrates a new technique that pulls carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere, and converts it into liquid gasoline, diesel or jet fuel. ... DAC refers to "direct air capture" technology, or the technique by which Carbon Engineering extracts CO2 from air.Jun 7, 2018

[h=3]Carbon Engineering and Harvard find way to convert CO2 to gasoline[/h]https://www.cnbc.com/.../carbon-engineering-and-harvard-find-way-to-convert-co2-to-...




And we (the public) only hear about research conducted in the public domain.
The people with the real expertise, the oil companies, often do not publish intellectual property.
The concept of power to liquid fuel is an area of ongoing research, and I think provides the most realistic
chance of reducing emissions. While I am not concerned about CO2 emissions, I am concerned about a
sustainable future energy source for the future.
Batteries are simply energy storage devices, so is hydrocarbon fuel , if the energy stored is carbon neutral,
then the question becomes which is the better energy storage device, and hydrocarbon fuels wins that competition.
 
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