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El Niño is gone, but it's still the hottest July ever recorded

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http://climate.nasa.gov/news/2618/july-2017-equaled-record-july-2016/

Remember all the deniers here telling us we *really* won't know how hot it was until after El Niño is over?

Didn't make sense then, either, but what we do see is that global warming continues unabated, pretty much exactly how the models have predicted it.

It's a conspiracy!
 
joG said:
Don't let them take the warmth away from us!
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And while all you deniers will inevitably claim "global warming is good for the economy!" when you can no longer deny the evidence, many economies will, in reality, suffer greatly.
 
joG said:
Don't let them take the warmth away from us!
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isn't el nino weather event not an actual climate event? i do believe that is the case.
interesting how they like to point that out but then ignore it when it suits their interests.
 
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Threegoofs said:
http://climate.nasa.gov/news/2618/july-2017-equaled-record-july-2016/

Remember all the deniers here telling us we *really* won't know how hot it was until after El Niño is over?

Didn't make sense then, either, but what we do see is that global warming continues unabated, pretty much exactly how the models have predicted it.

It's a conspiracy!
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I wish the global change people would agree on a temperature range and leave it there. BTW, what type of weather are they trying to achieve?
 
ludin said:
isn't el nino weather event not an actual climate event? i do believe that is the case.
interesting how they like to point that out but then ignore it when it suits their interests.
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El Nino has global impacts. Its cycle correlates (with a ton evidence supporting causation) with the frequency of hurricanes hitting Florida. A cooling, or lack thereof (La Nina), at the equator and eastern edge of the Pacific affects weather around the world. It's a climate event. The immediate post-transition, particularly from Nino to Nina (~every 14 years), is an especially volatile time frame for hurricanes in the Atlantic. The entire band of atmosphere along the equator is affected. This is how the event contributes to storms in the Atlantic. It also impacts temperate weather around the world. Basically, the doldrums get hotter or cooler according to the El Nino cycle and effects even move latitudinal.


We might note that the designations are sexist. The good times (when cool water up-wells and fishing is great) are named 'boy', while the bad times (no up-welling, no fishing) are named 'girl'. Good times = male, bad times = female. That's messed up.
 
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ludin said:
isn't el nino weather event not an actual climate event? i do believe that is the case.
interesting how they like to point that out but then ignore it when it suits their interests.
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Not really.

I see you didn't quite understand the OP. Maybe if you read more and post less, you'll do us all a solid.
 
Threegoofs said:
http://climate.nasa.gov/news/2618/july-2017-equaled-record-july-2016/

Remember all the deniers here telling us we *really* won't know how hot it was until after El Niño is over?

Didn't make sense then, either, but what we do see is that global warming continues unabated, pretty much exactly how the models have predicted it.

It's a conspiracy!
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This seems like a good time to ask you something you've never been able to answer.
If CO2 is the overriding climate driver and CO2 has been increasing unabated, how could anything overwhelm it enough to have resulted in the warming pause since 2000?
 
chuckiechan said:
I wish the global change people would agree on a temperature range and leave it there. BTW, what type of weather are they trying to achieve?
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You're complaining about 'global change' people agreeing on a temp range when deniers cannot agree with each other on what is causing the warming (volcanoes? the Sun? orbital positioning?) or whether it is actually cooling, lol.
 
bubbabgone said:
This seems like a good time to ask you something you've never been able to answer.
If CO2 is the overriding climate driver and CO2 has been increasing unabated, how could anything overwhelm it enough to have resulted in the warming pause since 2000?
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You mean the 'pause' that was associated with progressively warmer temperatures and the hottest recorded temps?

That one?

But the answer to why it wasn't even hotter is because climate is variable, and not simple to predict in relatively short runs.
 
Since the GISS shows that July 2017 was .01C above July 2016 ,
https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata_v3/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt
and the RSS shows July 2017 was .04 C below 2016,
I suspect claiming it as some sort of record is very subjective,
as both are within the noise.
FYI the 4/3/17 GISS showed July 2016 was .84C. and now shows it is .82,
I wounder if the adjustment was made to be able to claim some sort of record?
What is interesting is that the more we average out the 2016 El Nino, the lower the 2016 annual temperature goes.
GISS currently shows the annual J-D 2016 temp as 1.00C, up from .98C in April 2017,
yet the averaged out 2016 is down to .86C, and dropping.
As I have said earlier El Nino's took about 20 months to average out,
we are in about month 16.
 
El Niño is gone, but it's still the hottest July ever recorded

Doesn't look like it was the warmest ever in the arctic:

meanT_2017.png


I live in Milwaukee and it never got above 90°F in my back yard. Officially it hit 91°F July 6th
but no other daily high in July was above 87°. AccuWeather - Milwaukee, WI

Maine
According to the July 2017 climate review prepared by meteorologists at the Caribou station,
temperatures across northern and eastern Maine finished at or slightly below average for the month,
though some days reached down into the 40s and even 30s in northern Aroostook.
bangordailynews.com

Georgia
Climatologist: July drier than normal in Georgia
July was slightly warmer than normal across the state, but only one record was set.

Hardly a recipe for hottest ever.

New Zealand
The temperature for July 2017 was 14.4 degrees Celsius, which was the second coolest
July since July 2004.
sunlive.co.nz

Uganda
Kampala, Uganda | RONALD MUSOKE | June and July have been chilly with days having an
unbearable mix of very cold weather ...
independent.co.ug
 
Not just the hottest - but the RECORD hottest. WOW! very scarey!!

Almost as scarey as Nazis taking over the country.We're doomed unless....unless...we elect DEMOCRATS.
 
Threegoofs said:
http://climate.nasa.gov/news/2618/july-2017-equaled-record-july-2016/

Remember all the deniers here telling us we *really* won't know how hot it was until after El Niño is over?

Didn't make sense then, either, but what we do see is that global warming continues unabated, pretty much exactly how the models have predicted it.

It's a conspiracy!
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So how much do we have to pay to democrat party leaders to make global warming go away?




The crowd is not the sum of its parts.

I am a republican who did not vote for Trump (Or Hillary).
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ecofarm said:
El Nino has global impacts. Its cycle correlates (with a ton evidence supporting causation) with the frequency of hurricanes hitting Florida. A cooling, or lack thereof (La Nina), at the equator and eastern edge of the Pacific affects weather around the world. It's a climate event. The immediate post-transition, particularly from Nino to Nina (~every 14 years), is an especially volatile time frame for hurricanes in the Atlantic. The entire band of atmosphere along the equator is affected. This is how the event contributes to storms in the Atlantic. It also impacts temperate weather around the world. Basically, the doldrums get hotter or cooler according to the El Nino cycle and effects even move latitudinal.


We might note that the designations are sexist. The good times (when cool water up-wells and fishing is great) are named 'boy', while the bad times (no up-welling, no fishing) are named 'girl'. Good times = male, bad times = female. That's messed up.
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it is still a short term variation which would be considered weather not climate.
 
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