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Paleoclimate Cycles and Current Temperatures

Jack Hays

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This is interesting work that puts current temperature trends in a larger and more informative context. Bottom line: warming and cooling are out of our hands.

Climate News / Paleoclimatology
Paleoclimate Cycles are Key Analogs for Present Day (Holocene) Warm Period

Guest Post By Renee Hannon

Abstract

Detailed pattern correlation of Earth’s temperature changes during the past 450 kyrs reveals observations about several cyclic climate patterns. The past four glacial cycles are increasing in duration from 89 kyrs to 119 kyrs. Within these glacial cycles, two warm periods occur about 200 kyrs apart and have strikingly similar temperature characteristics. These two warm patterns suggest processes modifying Earth’s temperature could be repeatable and predictable. In contrast, two other warm periods have different and distinct characteristics. These two warm periods occur during a predominantly elliptical orbit and a predominantly circular orbit, respectively, and on approximately 400 kyr cycles. . . .
Climate models need to include astronomical as well as oceanic and atmospheric forcing to reliably predict the duration and temperature changes of the future Holocene interglacial Warm period. . . .

Summary and Conclusions

A Glacial Cycle traverse illustrates that the duration of interglacial/glacial cycles progressively increases from past to present over the past 450 kyrs and are not a simple 100 kyr cycle. Eccentricity and its influence on summer insolation appears to play a dominant role in the duration of glacial cycles. Circular orbits tend to have shorter cycles (<100 kyrs) and more elliptical orbits tend to be longer (>100 kyrs).
Conceptual models are proposed using astronomical and oceanic processes described in the literature to explain repeatable patterns observed in past interglacial warm periods. Prioritizing dominant processes operating in different warm periods may provide general guidelines for future climate models.
Past Warm II and IV periods are well behaved and exhibit strikingly similar warming/cooling patterns suggesting a repeatable interplay of astronomical, oceanic, and atmospheric processes. These repeatable patterns occur every 200 kyrs during semi-elliptical eccentric cycles.
On the other hand, anomalous Warm III and V periods tend to have less predictable patterns and are unique. Warm III occurred during the most elliptical orbit and Warm V during the most circular orbit. Glacial cycles during elliptical orbits tend to have rapid onset and several warm/cool periods because obliquity is amplified and summer insolation dominates. Warm periods during circular orbits tend to have slower warm onsets and are more symmetrical. Oceanic processes may play a greater role during the warm periods but play a minor role in controlling the onsets or eventual cool periods.
During the last 450 kyrs, the five major warm onsets with rapidly increasing temperatures are triggered by increases in the eccentricity, obliquity, and precession of Earth’s orbit. The nearly concurrent increase in these three astronomical forces appears a necessary component for a major warm onset. Obliquity is the dominate control for ending these major warm periods and entering a cooling phase. Higher frequency procession/summer insolation appears to play a secondary role in overprinting the duration pattern with a stadial event such as the Holocene 8.2 kyr or extending a warm period like in Warm V. Oceanic processes dominate during periods of minor temperature changes (+/- 1.5 degrees C).
Dome C isotope ratios and their associated temperature estimates in combination with astronomical data provide ample evidence that astronomical forces control warming and cooling cycles. Because the astronomical processes affecting significant climate changes are beyond human control our focus should be on adaptation rather than climate manipulation. It is not a question if cooling will occur but simply a question of when.


 
People who know how to read, think, and compute will realize that the fastest warming from these Milankovitch cycles has been 1.1° per century, as indicated by the author's Figure 6.
People who know how to read, think, and compute know that the current warming is proceeding about 10 times faster than that.
People who know how to read, think, and compute understand that an order-of-magnitude difference in warming rates means that the forcing mechanism driving the current warming is clearly and obviously not the same one driving Milankovitch glacial cycles.

But "people who know how to read, think, and compute" also clearly and obviously excludes the denizens of Denierstan.
 
People who know how to read, think, and compute will realize that the fastest warming from these Milankovitch cycles has been 1.1° per century, as indicated by the author's Figure 6.
People who know how to read, think, and compute know that the current warming is proceeding about 10 times faster than that.
People who know how to read, think, and compute understand that an order-of-magnitude difference in warming rates means that the forcing mechanism driving the current warming is clearly and obviously not the same one driving Milankovitch glacial cycles.

But "people who know how to read, think, and compute" also clearly and obviously excludes the denizens of Denierstan.

"Ten times faster" that 1.1 degrees per century would be 11 degrees per century. Please provide a citation for the research finding that warming tempo.
 
Climate changes naturally, therefore humans can't influence it: the actual argument of the OP.
 
"Ten times faster" that 1.1 degrees per century would be 11 degrees per century. Please provide a citation for the research finding that warming tempo.

It's right there in AlGore's book.

Are you one of those who can't read and think?
 
"Ten times faster" that 1.1 degrees per century would be 11 degrees per century. Please provide a citation for the research finding that warming tempo.

Those figures were actually per thousand years rather than per century, so he's correct by accident. 1.1 degrees per century would be ten times faster than the fastest change shown in the article you linked,.
 
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Those figures were actually per thousand years rather than per century, so he's correct by accident. 1.1 degrees per century would be ten times faster than the fastest change shown in the article you linked,.

Check back with me when you guys get your story straight.
 
This is interesting work that puts current temperature trends in a larger and more informative context. Bottom line: warming and cooling are out of our hands.

Climate News / Paleoclimatology
Paleoclimate Cycles are Key Analogs for Present Day (Holocene) Warm Period

Guest Post By Renee Hannon

Abstract

Detailed pattern correlation of Earth’s temperature changes during the past 450 kyrs reveals observations about several cyclic climate patterns. The past four glacial cycles are increasing in duration from 89 kyrs to 119 kyrs. Within these glacial cycles, two warm periods occur about 200 kyrs apart and have strikingly similar temperature characteristics. These two warm patterns suggest processes modifying Earth’s temperature could be repeatable and predictable. In contrast, two other warm periods have different and distinct characteristics. These two warm periods occur during a predominantly elliptical orbit and a predominantly circular orbit, respectively, and on approximately 400 kyr cycles. . . .
Climate models need to include astronomical as well as oceanic and atmospheric forcing to reliably predict the duration and temperature changes of the future Holocene interglacial Warm period. . . .

Summary and Conclusions

A Glacial Cycle traverse illustrates that the duration of interglacial/glacial cycles progressively increases from past to present over the past 450 kyrs and are not a simple 100 kyr cycle. Eccentricity and its influence on summer insolation appears to play a dominant role in the duration of glacial cycles. Circular orbits tend to have shorter cycles (<100 kyrs) and more elliptical orbits tend to be longer (>100 kyrs).
Conceptual models are proposed using astronomical and oceanic processes described in the literature to explain repeatable patterns observed in past interglacial warm periods. Prioritizing dominant processes operating in different warm periods may provide general guidelines for future climate models.
Past Warm II and IV periods are well behaved and exhibit strikingly similar warming/cooling patterns suggesting a repeatable interplay of astronomical, oceanic, and atmospheric processes. These repeatable patterns occur every 200 kyrs during semi-elliptical eccentric cycles.
On the other hand, anomalous Warm III and V periods tend to have less predictable patterns and are unique. Warm III occurred during the most elliptical orbit and Warm V during the most circular orbit. Glacial cycles during elliptical orbits tend to have rapid onset and several warm/cool periods because obliquity is amplified and summer insolation dominates. Warm periods during circular orbits tend to have slower warm onsets and are more symmetrical. Oceanic processes may play a greater role during the warm periods but play a minor role in controlling the onsets or eventual cool periods.
During the last 450 kyrs, the five major warm onsets with rapidly increasing temperatures are triggered by increases in the eccentricity, obliquity, and precession of Earth’s orbit. The nearly concurrent increase in these three astronomical forces appears a necessary component for a major warm onset. Obliquity is the dominate control for ending these major warm periods and entering a cooling phase. Higher frequency procession/summer insolation appears to play a secondary role in overprinting the duration pattern with a stadial event such as the Holocene 8.2 kyr or extending a warm period like in Warm V. Oceanic processes dominate during periods of minor temperature changes (+/- 1.5 degrees C).
Dome C isotope ratios and their associated temperature estimates in combination with astronomical data provide ample evidence that astronomical forces control warming and cooling cycles. Because the astronomical processes affecting significant climate changes are beyond human control our focus should be on adaptation rather than climate manipulation. It is not a question if cooling will occur but simply a question of when.



I wonder if the cave men learned to make a buck on global warming? Those grasslands created by retreating glaciers created oxygen which is a dangerous gas in high concentrations.
 
Check back with me when you guys get your story straight.

There is no story, there is only facts. There are not two sides to a fact.

That chart shows 1.1 degrees per thousand years as the fastest leadup to a warm period.

You can dodge or disagree all day long, but that's what your own link says. Poor Debater may have misread or misunderstood. My guess is skimming too fast, temperature changes are often expressed in degrees per century while degrees per millennium is unusual.

Your link also says that we can expect a cooling period to begin thousands of years from now. This undermines the usual "impending ice age!" alarmism of the right.
 
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I wonder if the cave men learned to make a buck on global warming? Those grasslands created by retreating glaciers created oxygen which is a dangerous gas in high concentrations.

...gibberish.
 
There is no story, there is only facts. There are not two sides to a fact.

That chart shows 1.1 degrees per thousand years as the fastest leadup to a warm period.

You can dodge or disagree all day long, but that's what your own link says. Poor Debater may have misread or misunderstood. My guess is skimming too fast, temperature changes are often expressed in degrees per century while degrees per millennium is unusual.

Your link also says that we can expect a cooling period to begin thousands of years from now. This undermines the usual "impending ice age!" alarmism of the right.

I have no need to dodge or disagree on anything. The link says what it says.
 
I have no need to dodge or disagree on anything. The link says what it says.

Great. So you agree, then, that 1.1C/1000 years, or .11C per century is what it said in figure 6.

Would you suggest the rate of change from 1900-2000 was higher, about the same, or lower than this figure?
 
Great. So you agree, then, that 1.1C/1000 years, or .11C per century is what it said in figure 6.

Would you suggest the rate of change from 1900-2000 was higher, about the same, or lower than this figure?

Certainly higher, as accounted for:

. . . There are numerous oscillating events during the warm periods with minor temperature variations (<1.5 deg C) that are short duration (tens to hundreds of years). These events would be like the Holocene events that include the Roman Climate, and the Medieval warm followed by the Little Ice Age which are discussed extensively in the literature. They are difficult to see on the graphs in Figure 3 and appear more as background noise during the Holocene warm period due to the compressed scales used here.
These minor events are probably unique to each warm period and have been attributed to long term ocean cycles, Pacific and N. Atlantic multi-decadal and decadal climate cycles, orbital obliquity, solar variability, and greenhouse effects. . . .
 
Certainly higher, as accounted for:

. . . There are numerous oscillating events during the warm periods with minor temperature variations (<1.5 deg C) that are short duration (tens to hundreds of years). These events would be like the Holocene events that include the Roman Climate, and the Medieval warm followed by the Little Ice Age which are discussed extensively in the literature. They are difficult to see on the graphs in Figure 3 and appear more as background noise during the Holocene warm period due to the compressed scales used here.
These minor events are probably unique to each warm period and have been attributed to long term ocean cycles, Pacific and N. Atlantic multi-decadal and decadal climate cycles, orbital obliquity, solar variability, and greenhouse effects. . . .

...and greenhouse effects. Hmmmmm...
 
...and greenhouse effects. Hmmmmm...

And what percentage has the greenhouse effect changed by?

Maybe 1% at best? And that's being generous....

I'll bet it hasn't change by more than 0.3% due to CO2.

Insignificant.

If a doubling does cause 3.71 W/m^2, then it change the CO2 forcing by less than 6%. Barely significant in the change of CO2 forcing.
 
Climate News / Ocean Temperatures/ Paleoclimatology
Cooling Deep Oceans – and the Earth’s General Background Temperature

Guest Post by Wim Röst Introduction Five million years ago, average temperatures were higher than they are now. During the Pliocene, the era just before the period of the Quaternary Ice Ages, ‘glacials’ did not yet exist because temperatures were too high. As cooling of the deep seas continued, temperatures became that low that large…

Conclusions

During the last 15 million years deep sea temperatures were continuously falling. Because of the process of oceanic upwelling the falling deep sea temperatures made sea surfacetemperatures fall as well. In turn, sea surface temperatures lowered atmospheric temperatures. A small decrease in deep sea temperatures resulted in an amplified surface temperature response. Surface temperatures responded 2.5 times the deep-sea response, such that a 0.2°C cooler deep sea resulted in a 0.5°C cooler surface temperature.
At a certain point, the falling deep sea temperatures resulted in atmospheric temperatures that enabled the development of large scale Northern Hemisphere snow and ice surfaces that increased the albedo of the Earth. That albedo caused a further cooling and resulted in even more snow and ice; another amplifier. Continental ice sheets developed. That was the moment the warm Pliocene terminated and the colder Pleistocene started.
Within the Pleistocene, short warmer and more stable periods – the interglacials – were alternating with glacial periods. During an interglacial the Earth reaches the more favourable ‘normal’ pre-Pleistocene state and is warmer and much more stable. Those interglacials first happened every 41,000 years, but as the deep-sea temperatures (and so atmospheric temperatures) decreased, more favourable orbital circumstances, rather than only increasing obliquity, were needed to get out of the cold glacial climate state. Because of the colder deep oceans during the last part of the Pleistocene the Earth only succeeded every 100,000 years in creating an interglacial.
If the 15-million-year trend of ever decreasing deep sea temperatures is going to continue, somewhere in the future the Earth will not be able to create a next interglacial. Millions of years of a deep and continuing glacial state might be in the future.

 
Climate News / Ocean Temperatures/ Paleoclimatology
Cooling Deep Oceans – and the Earth’s General Background Temperature

Guest Post by Wim Röst Introduction Five million years ago, average temperatures were higher than they are now. During the Pliocene, the era just before the period of the Quaternary Ice Ages, ‘glacials’ did not yet exist because temperatures were too high. As cooling of the deep seas continued, temperatures became that low that large…

Conclusions

During the last 15 million years deep sea temperatures were continuously falling. Because of the process of oceanic upwelling the falling deep sea temperatures made sea surfacetemperatures fall as well. In turn, sea surface temperatures lowered atmospheric temperatures. A small decrease in deep sea temperatures resulted in an amplified surface temperature response. Surface temperatures responded 2.5 times the deep-sea response, such that a 0.2°C cooler deep sea resulted in a 0.5°C cooler surface temperature.
At a certain point, the falling deep sea temperatures resulted in atmospheric temperatures that enabled the development of large scale Northern Hemisphere snow and ice surfaces that increased the albedo of the Earth. That albedo caused a further cooling and resulted in even more snow and ice; another amplifier. Continental ice sheets developed. That was the moment the warm Pliocene terminated and the colder Pleistocene started.
Within the Pleistocene, short warmer and more stable periods – the interglacials – were alternating with glacial periods. During an interglacial the Earth reaches the more favourable ‘normal’ pre-Pleistocene state and is warmer and much more stable. Those interglacials first happened every 41,000 years, but as the deep-sea temperatures (and so atmospheric temperatures) decreased, more favourable orbital circumstances, rather than only increasing obliquity, were needed to get out of the cold glacial climate state. Because of the colder deep oceans during the last part of the Pleistocene the Earth only succeeded every 100,000 years in creating an interglacial.
If the 15-million-year trend of ever decreasing deep sea temperatures is going to continue, somewhere in the future the Earth will not be able to create a next interglacial. Millions of years of a deep and continuing glacial state might be in the future.


Greetings, Jack. :2wave:

Well that article was certainly a welcome change of pace from the gloom and doom that has become de rigueur when discussing AGW warming! :mrgreen: Very interesting reading, too! :thumbs:
 
Greetings, Jack. :2wave:

Well that article was certainly a welcome change of pace from the gloom and doom that has become de rigueur when discussing AGW warming! :mrgreen: Very interesting reading, too! :thumbs:

Happy Sunday, Polgara.:2wave:

Glad you liked it.:mrgreen:
 
Climate News / Ocean Temperatures/ Paleoclimatology
Cooling Deep Oceans – and the Earth’s General Background Temperature

Guest Post by Wim Röst Introduction Five million years ago, average temperatures were higher than they are now. During the Pliocene, the era just before the period of the Quaternary Ice Ages, ‘glacials’ did not yet exist because temperatures were too high. As cooling of the deep seas continued, temperatures became that low that large…

Conclusions

During the last 15 million years deep sea temperatures were continuously falling. Because of the process of oceanic upwelling the falling deep sea temperatures made sea surfacetemperatures fall as well. In turn, sea surface temperatures lowered atmospheric temperatures. A small decrease in deep sea temperatures resulted in an amplified surface temperature response. Surface temperatures responded 2.5 times the deep-sea response, such that a 0.2°C cooler deep sea resulted in a 0.5°C cooler surface temperature.
At a certain point, the falling deep sea temperatures resulted in atmospheric temperatures that enabled the development of large scale Northern Hemisphere snow and ice surfaces that increased the albedo of the Earth. That albedo caused a further cooling and resulted in even more snow and ice; another amplifier. Continental ice sheets developed. That was the moment the warm Pliocene terminated and the colder Pleistocene started.
Within the Pleistocene, short warmer and more stable periods – the interglacials – were alternating with glacial periods. During an interglacial the Earth reaches the more favourable ‘normal’ pre-Pleistocene state and is warmer and much more stable. Those interglacials first happened every 41,000 years, but as the deep-sea temperatures (and so atmospheric temperatures) decreased, more favourable orbital circumstances, rather than only increasing obliquity, were needed to get out of the cold glacial climate state. Because of the colder deep oceans during the last part of the Pleistocene the Earth only succeeded every 100,000 years in creating an interglacial.
If the 15-million-year trend of ever decreasing deep sea temperatures is going to continue, somewhere in the future the Earth will not be able to create a next interglacial. Millions of years of a deep and continuing glacial state might be in the future.


well...


Those interglacials first happened every 41,000 years

That is the frequency of the earths obliquity around the sun.
 
well...


Those interglacials first happened every 41,000 years

That is the frequency of the earths obliquity around the sun.
I have to say that little ray of sunshine makes global warming seem inviting!
 
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